OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #80

[Berrybell]

Wow, maybe your correct? It says in this article that Jake smiled and laughed in court watching that movie clip.

Jake is insane. A psychopath.

Like @Myland said Jake was reliving the moment he killed 8 people.

I have known that Jake is insane for over 6 years now @Cool Cats and posted many times on here it was Jake's show all the way. He manipulated his family into all this.

Maybe grandma will buy him a DVD of that movie so he can get his pleasure the rest of his life since he can't have any little girls in prison.



JMO
JMO

I absolutely agree @RAISINISBACK, he can claim he didn't want to kill HR at first and against his dad suggesting it, but later felt he had no choice to protect little SW all he wants, he wanted her dead to punish her for leaving him and to have control over SW. Jake talked about holding HR against the wall by the collar bone because she wouldn't do her chores, and he didn't see anything wrong with how he treated her and continued that behavior with EA. Jake enjoyed killing them.

 

[ohioexpat63]

This is my opinion. This trial is open to the public. Anyone at anytime can go, if seating permits. Media have not been denied entry. What is unclear is the definition of 'public'. I don't know the law and definition as it relates to "public", in the state of Ohio.

An issue was brought to the court yesterday. The judge gathered all parties involved and made a decision to both continue the direct with JW and set a hearing for this morning. IMO, it is reasonable because this issue will be revisited every time someone opts out and media file a hearing request. A trial, any trial, in the state of Ohio, would be forever delayed if it paused every time media requested a hearing. It is unreasonable and I doubt it is the intent of the law to stop trials over a media issue.

Now, if Deering totally ignored the higher courts, closed out all media, and locked the doors to the public, then certainly there would be an issue and possible mistrial. This isn't the case here.

The defendant and his attorneys agreed with the choice of a witness to opt in or out pretrial, as Deering again read into the record yesterday. I believe this was done sometime in 2021.

So, the defendant isn't harmed in any way shape or form. Only the media seems to have their feathers ruffled. I hope the media wins as far as JW and AW are concerned.

All my opinion

 

[Nanasteele]

I absolutely agree @RAISINISBACK, he can claim he didn't want to kill HR at first and against his dad suggesting it, but later felt he had no choice to protect little SW all he wants, he wanted her dead to punish her for leaving him and to have control over SW. Jake talked about holding HR against the wall by the collar bone because she wouldn't do her chores, and he didn't see anything wrong with how he treated her and continued that behavior with EA. Jake enjoyed killing them.

He and his whole family are beyond sick in the head! I so pray that SW grows up with morals and compassion along with BW. Breaks my heart what those babies have been through with that twisted bunch! I also pray for justice for them!

 

[pcrum12]

JMO -- No way they didn't try to get in that safe at Chris Sr. lol. They are thefts by trade.

 

[pcrum12]

L&C is live for the hearing looks like

 

[pcrum12]

galley is full to the max

 

[Betty P]

I absolutely agree @RAISINISBACK, he can claim he didn't want to kill HR at first and against his dad suggesting it, but later felt he had no choice to protect little SW all he wants, he wanted her dead to punish her for leaving him and to have control over SW. Jake talked about holding HR against the wall by the collar bone because she wouldn't do her chores, and he didn't see anything wrong with how he treated her and continued that behavior with EA. Jake enjoyed killing them.

Yes, I'm guessing he wasn't "holding her by her collarbone" either. JMO, some of them had a real problem with poor Dana, too, for defending Hanna and supporting her getting out of Peterson Rd farm.

There are so many dimensions to this murder spree. It seems like each Wagner had a different reason, grudge or whatever for killing various family members. They probably had one of those famous kitchen table meetings to decide. Ugh.

Not once did any of them stop to say "Hey, maybe it isn't such a good idea to kill all these people." Didn't occur to them it would destroy so many lives and damage an entire community for years to come.

 

[altojack]

Couldn't get to sleep last night for thinking what happened yesterday. Partly to do with this in out thing which I don't fully understand, but there we go.

The biggest worry to me was the fact that the doors were locked. No one in, no one out whilst court sitting. Initially I took this to mean that Judge Deering just didn't want folk in and out but never thought of locked doors. I felt sick thinking of what could have happened here in these circumstances. For goodnesssake we've heard of fires starting in buildings, people running to get to the door and out. The weakest get pushed, they fall, get trampled and deaths have happened. Surely a locked door in a public building isn't legal.

Above is all JMO.

Rant over, sorry.

 

[sunshineray]

Lots of chaotic chatter but no judge yet?
Phone's ringing and being used by a couple reporters...judge is here.

 

[Betty P]

Lots of chaotic chatter but no judge yet?

Here he comes.

He's bound to follow those rules. Has problem with rule of Superintendants rule 12 c 2. He hasn't seen it in there. Whether or not he agrees with it, he's bound to follow it.

His attorney on speaker phone. Jake has objected, his attorneys are here. Not sure if he can apply that rule to other witnesses. The circumstances may differ for other witnesses. He will have a hearing for current witness - Jake Wagner.

Attorney for Myers. Will let him speak. He's arguing also about coming and going during opt out. Wants to allow reporters to come and go as they wish. Make them sit in the last row, etc.

 

[CIA Team Member]

Maybe in this new age we are fighting over what "public" means, but with reporters and spectators there, it's not going to be a kangaroo court. I get it that people want to see everything. I do too. But "public" just means the we don't haul people into a dark room and try them with no notice of charges, no one watching and no record.

That's what's been my personal beef with; public/open court. Until we see JW and AW's proffers we don't know which is in it and if they're public/open court has caveats to the these.
Public/open court needs to be better defined in today's new age. Courts around the country were using zoom during pandemic. Many accused are even presented to the judge/court via zoom now.
JMO

 

[Niner]

Here he comes.

have a link please?

never mind found one

 

[sunshineray]

Ooooo he's feels he's bound by the order.
I think JW may testify on media.
Judge's lawyer on speaker phone, he's passing the buck?

 

[Betty P]

Ooooo he's feels he's bound by the order.
I think JW may testify on media.
Judge's lawyer on speaker phone, he's passing the buck?

No, he's in a tricky position. The court of Appeals ruling may be inaccurate. The Supreme Court Rule they used as a foundation for their decision, Judge read and says he doesn't see anywhere in that rule that this applies. Nevertheless, he will follow their order.

Judge says rule about leaving the courtroom during the session is to avoid a lot of disruptions in the courtroom.

 

[Betty P]

Lawyer asking judge to allow reporters to take a break during opt out testimony? Canepa made an argument. Couldn't hear very well. She argued on behalf of jury who shouldn't be disrupted. Thinks there is potential for abuse of such a privilege for media.

Judge asking about rules and, etc. for hearings. How do you have a trial that includes multiple hearings in the midst of it all for separate hearings for witnesses who want to opt out. There's no precedent for that.
Where do you hold the hearing? What rules for the hearing?

Scioto News guy's lawyer is attempting to set those rules for the judge, which he's not qualified to do. If they have a problem with what the judge is doing WRT to these hearings, they'll let him know, they'll make an objection.

This is total BS, JMO. The news media attorney gets to run the trial now, apparently. SMH Wagners are loving this.

 

[sunshineray]

Compromised coming back in from the media room when the next witness opts out of being filmed, reporters only

 

[Seattle1]

Couldn't get to sleep last night for thinking what happened yesterday. Partly to do with this in out thing which I don't fully understand, but there we go.

The biggest worry to me was the fact that the doors were locked. No one in, no one out whilst court sitting. Initially I took this to mean that Judge Deering just didn't want folk in and out but never thought of locked doors. I felt sick thinking of what could have happened here in these circumstances. For goodnesssake we've heard of fires starting in buildings, people running to get to the door and out. The weakest get pushed, they fall, get trampled and deaths have happened. Surely a locked door in a public building isn't legal.

Above is all JMO.

Rant over, sorry.

A "locked trial" does not impair emergency access/exit. You are correct that it means Judge Deering does not want folks traipsing in and out for a variety of reasons but mostly for security purposes.

The locked doors are also attended by court bailiffs who unlock the doors when the court is in recess and folks can enter/exit the courtroom freely but once the court is seated the doors are locked and you may not enter or exit the courtroom. I recently attended a locked trial where one of the defense attorneys sat outside the courtroom door with the rest of us until the next recess because he arrived late!

The locked courtroom doors are monitored by court bailiffs so be assured that under a courtroom emergency, the doors would not be locked and occupants would not be trapped inside the courtroom.

ETA: I mostly attend US District Court (Federal trials) where cameras have always been prohibited, and in my home state, media cameras are only allowed for advisements and arraignments, subject to court approval. Ohio is very far advanced here allowing media coverage.

 

[sunshineray]

AC just keeps shaking her head.
She wants judge to gets clarification from courts of appeals, judge says he must follow the courts ruling, he's got to follow it.

 

[Betty P]

Judge Deering just noted that the Scioto guy's lawyer gets to make decisions about the trial for the national news media?

Ridiculous. Lawyer saying he will do that. He has a buddy who will cover for him if he's busy.

Just as I predicted last night.

This is a defense attempt to slow down the trial and distract the jury from Jake's testimony.

Billy and GW4 will be set free to work on Fred Wagners farm.

 

[Betty P]

Canepa says there is nothing instructive in that order. Who is supposed to be involved? No evidence for the finding.

JMO, this is such a bad order, the Ohio Supreme Court will have to decide. AC says they need to seek a "clarifying order".

Defense sounds like they're encouraging the judge to "use discretion" and do what he wants. JMO, that's a trap for a mistrial.