OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #80

[sunshineray]

Maybe not. The judgement came in mid testimony, he may only need to continue.

Or...

-Jake could decide not pursuit it (or his attorney could advise him to move forward testifying on camera)
- or Jake could demand a hearing
- or Judge Deering could ignore the order (& potentially cause a mistrial).

It's 7 minutes till 1pm return time, hopefully we'll know in a few.

And all this could have been avoided if video was the only opt out and audio was required. Also barring reporters from using tablets in courtroom with wifi/mobile data is a ridiculous ruling. There's no harm done to any witness's right as long as no video is taken.
AJMO

 

[Cool Cats]

@RAISINISBACK QUOTE:

You think Jake is sorry for what he did? Absolutely not. He is a serial killer who's trophy is that movie clip. That is why he could not conceal his enjoyment when they played it in court yesterday.

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Pike County murder trial: 'I felt I had no other choice than to kill Hanna,' Jake Wagner told jury

The seventh week of the trial of a man accused of murdering eight people in Pike County in 2016 began Monday as the prosecution continued its case.

www.wcpo.com

Wow, maybe your correct? It says in this article that Jake smiled and laughed in court watching that movie clip.

From article:

"To psych himself up before the murders, he said he watched a clip from the movie Boondock Saints; he smiled and held back laughter in the courtroom when the prosecution made him watch the clip in court."

Jake is insane. A psychopath.

 

[dgfred]

Why are all saying 'higher court' made this ruling. What is the higher court than a court trying a octagonal killer(s)?

 

[Pru2U]

Why are all saying 'higher court' made this ruling. What is the higher court than a court trying a octagonal killer(s)?

It went to Court of Appeals 4th District, which is over Judge Destiny's court.

 

[dgfred]

Are not appeals after a conviction?

 

[Betty P]

Are not appeals after a conviction?

It's an appeal related to the decision about letting the media broadcast video and audio of witnesses testifying

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Are not appeals after a conviction?

This is an ongoing wrangle over media and public access to live testimony. It's not a criminal issue so there is no issue of conviction. It's a lawsuit where Derek Myers, a newspaper editor, has sued Judge Deering. The previous ruling was appealed and the ruling went to an Appeals Court, which has now ruled that before allowing witnesses to opt out, the judge has to hold a hearing. Deering will hold a hearing tomorrow, which I take to be about Jake's further testimony. But I'm just guessing on that. The Appeals Court ruling is posted further up the thread.

 

[sunshineray]

Well, hello Courtney! Where ya been?


Courtney Francisco @CFranciscoWCPO
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Pike County murder trial: Jake Wagner resumes testifying about people he killed

Pike County murder trial: Jake Wagner 'could not bear to think' or speak about his crimes after the murders

Jake Wagner continued testifying against his brother, who is on trial for the murder of eight people in Pike County in 2016.

www.wcpo.com

And here we go again, from the WCPO link

"In exchange for Jake's testimony in the trials of any family members who face a jury, prosecutors have agreed to dismiss the possibility of the death penalty for himself, his parents, Angela and Billy, and his brother, George Wagner IV, all of whom face similar charges in connection to the killings."

 

[Pru2U]

And here we go again, from the WCPO link

"In exchange for Jake's testimony in the trials of any family members who face a jury, prosecutors have agreed to dismiss the possibility of the death penalty for himself, his parents, Angela and Billy, and his brother, George Wagner IV, all of whom face similar charges in connection to the killings."

Just like the confusion today over a possibility of a mistrial, we'll find out when we find out. I've got no control so I'm not going to fret over either.

 

[sunshineray]

Sadly, neither the defense team (nor GW4) seems to care much about the surviving family members. They even had the gall to show up at the funerals of their victims. Right out of the criminology textbooks under "sociopathic mass murderers".

ETA: add the local media guy to that list.

To the Rhoden, Manley and Gilley families and friends: I'm sorry you have to go through more of this disrespectful and abusive behavior from the horrible people who took your loved ones from you and made your life unbearable for the last several years.

I guessing because they're Christian men and respect the solemn right of burial. Just like when JW wanted to take...umm I mean care for lil S's brand new baby sister, a very Christian thing for him to do....Play acting, AJMO

 

[Pru2U]

Are not appeals after a conviction?

Yes, for the defendant but this is for the judge. Two different things.

The complaint was about the judge. What was received today was a judgement on the complaint, for the judge to adhere to. It isn't really about the trial itself, it's about how the trial is being run by the judge. So it is about the trial, but it's not about the defendant. Only the judge.

 

[justtrish]

Angenette has posted about the afternoon.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1585008661453164544

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I am hoping we get to at least read a transcript of JW testimony, so much of what he is testifying to is lost, the media all appear to tweet about the same points, the articles all seem to have the same information, the colour is missing IMO,

but he is fulfilling his bargain with the state,

There are two camera in the court room. You can bet one or both of them is filming, just not broadcasting out to the public. The reason I think so is once this is trial is over and out of Deering's court room the media there is nothing to stop the media from airing his whole testimony.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

That was Derek Myers view and that's why I cautioned against taking it as gospel.

But that judgment did say testimony shall cease immediately...then after determining if this or this Judge Deering can rule...so I'm guessing he ruled lickedy-split?

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/Angenette5

Court in recess until tomorrow morning in OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV. Hearing set for 8:30 a.m. EST on the media order an Jake Wagner and other witnesses objecting to being broadcast

Angie Canepa questioned Jake about GW4's relationship with Tabitha Claytor, when they were married, when she left and the circumstances ie - Angela saying "I'm going to go get my gun.”

Jake said the night Tabitha left, she was "in a state". Doesn't mean to be offensive but when women get in an emotional state they start slapping with both hands.

Went through a lot about Tabitha's relationship, q's about custody of Bulvine. Then onto May 2017 trip to Alaska. Before that, he'd had contact with a couple of BCI agents. Stefan and Ryan Scheiderer.

Jake said he had been to Alaska in 2006 or 2007 and always wanted to go back. While in Alaska in May 2017 looking for a job, he learned BCI was searching Peterson Rd. He said he wasn't nervous. He was upset.

Jake said he was not concerned about BCI finding certain items. The family all agreed on an alibi. They were watching a movie. Jake said Billy said "Don't fall for their games.”

Jake said they never discussed what to say to BCI. They came through Canada from Alaska to Montana and were "interrogated." They then took Sophia and Bulvine to the hospital b/c they said BCI agents gave them "sleepy Kool-Aid medicine." Test results negative

All Wagners agreed BCI had probably bugged their vehicle or vehicles. Jake said it sounds familiar that there had been concern that Tabitha had been at the border but not sure. Back in AK, learned in June 2017 BCI was back at Peterson Rd. with heavy equipment.

Jake said he thinks he asked about what barn was being searched. Which one they were digging in - not behind.

Recalls a press release from BCI in June 2017 when they asked for info about the Wagners and them buying or selling vehicles and firearms. Remembers going to church in AK and meeting Elizabeth/Beth Anne

Elizabeth and Sophia got along in the beginning. Marriage was pushed up b/c they were moving back to the lower 48. Planned to work and live in Missouri but loan for farm fell through. Decided to go back to Ohio.

Jake said he knew Elizabeth had been. molested by two of her brothers. He said he told her he did not want those two knowing where they lived. Didn't indicate he meant her whole family - as Elizabeth had stated.

ake said family was concerned about media attention. In Ohio, Jake and GW4 got job driving for R&L Carriers. May 2018. Jake said Angela and GW4 got upset b/c they didn't feel Jake should force Sophia to call Elizabeth "mom." Different from what we were told

Jake said GW4 and Angela did not express concern about how Sophia calling Elizabeth mom would impact Bulvine. Angie Canepa said in opening they were concerned about that - Bulvine feeling slighted.

Jake said he is not aware of Elizabeth/Beth Anne being accused of poisoning kids or stealing. He said when he was away, Sophia slept with Angela and Bulvine.

Jake said Angela told him Beth Anne had allegedly touched Sophia. He said he covertly asked her questions about it for a few weeks and told AW not to have Sophia out of her line of sight with Beth Anne.

Jake said he and Angela confronted Beth Anne in the kitchen of the South Webster home and she denied it. JW said it was serious accusation and he was concerned about sensitivity of it.

Jake is asked whether he told Beth Anne what he would do to her if she had molested Sophia. Jake said he did not tell her what he would do to her. "I told her specifically what I would do to anyone I caught molesting my daughter.”

Jake said he told her anyone he caught in the act of molesting his daughter, he would "physically beat the person to death with my bare hands." This differs from Beth Anne's account. She said Jake told her if he found out it was true

He would string her up in the barn and heat her to death with Lucille the bat from "The Walking Dead" and if he didn't do it, Angela would do it, and if she didn't, Billy would do it and if not him then GW4 would do it and bulldoze barn and kill her family

Beth Anne called a pastor in AK and told him what Jake said. Jake also spoke to pastor and told him what he said. He said they were practically on a mutual agreement of where each other stood. Pastor said he shouldn't jump to conclusions and

should see if Sophia was telling the truth. Jake said he prayed for 2-3 weeks and Sophia told him she felt Beth Anne was stealing her daddy and she just wanted her to go away. It's unclear whether Sophia ever made the allegation or if Angela just did

Court ended on that note.

 

[justtrish]

should see if Sophia was telling the truth. Jake said he prayed for 2-3 weeks and Sophia told him she felt Beth Anne was stealing her daddy and she just wanted her to go away. It's unclear whether Sophia ever made the allegation or if Angela just did

That was a tweet from Angennete Levy....

So now I am having a rather disturbing thought and please don't take this as me blaming Sophia because she is 100% a victim of the W's as much as anyone is.

Sophia was 4 1/2 in summer of 2018. If I recall correctly her birthday is in November so she would have turned 5 then.

The Wagner's seem to grill the kids about who was at the border and who talked to them and showing them photos etc..

Seeing this tweet that Sophia said Elizabeth was taking her daddy away, did these kids learn already the could manipulate Jake and Angela by saying people touched them or gave them things? I keep hearing George's voice as he's screaming at Bulvine about the bad people want to take him away.. ugh Imagine getting grilled constantly about if anyone talked to them and being told horrible things about outsiders. Wouldn't surprise me if the adults regularly asked them if anyone touched them or gave them medicine.

Also this other tweet about sleepy kool aid medicine...

Did Angela give them sleepy kool aid medicine? How the world did the kids know about sleepy kool aid medicine?? Maybe Angela gave them that to calm them down? She was the one complaining about Sophia being wild so much.

I hope those kids both have people they can talk to both in their family and professions. Those years are hard to undo because so much in imprinted in our brains about how the world works.

 

[arielilane]

Todd Dykes hasn't updated Twitter yet, here is link to (updated 4:15 pm ET) article:

Jake Wagner returns to Pike County courthouse to testify in brother's murder trial

Jake Wagner arrived back at the courthouse on Tuesday for more testimony in his brother, George Wagner's, murder trial.

www.wlwt.com

 

[Kyshoegal]

Interesting that this was filed now, instead of before Jake's testimony began.

Almost like someone wanted to use it to disrupt Jake's testimony. JMO

How is it tied to FW or AW?

 

[Skully67]

should see if Sophia was telling the truth. Jake said he prayed for 2-3 weeks and Sophia told him she felt Beth Anne was stealing her daddy and she just wanted her to go away. It's unclear whether Sophia ever made the allegation or if Angela just did

That was a tweet from Angennete Levy....

So now I am having a rather disturbing thought and please don't take this as me blaming Sophia because she is 100% a victim of the W's as much as anyone is.

Sophia was 4 1/2 in summer of 2018. If I recall correctly her birthday is in November so she would have turned 5 then.

The Wagner's seem to grill the kids about who was at the border and who talked to them and showing them photos etc..

Seeing this tweet that Sophia said Elizabeth was taking her daddy away, did these kids learn already the could manipulate Jake and Angela by saying people touched them or gave them things? I keep hearing George's voice as he's screaming at Bulvine about the bad people want to take him away.. ugh Imagine getting grilled constantly about if anyone talked to them and being told horrible things about outsiders. Wouldn't surprise me if the adults regularly asked them if anyone touched them or gave them medicine.

Also this other tweet about sleepy kool aid medicine...

Did Angela give them sleepy kool aid medicine? How the world did the kids know about sleepy kool aid medicine?? Maybe Angela gave them that to calm them down? She was the one complaining about Sophia being wild so much.

I hope those kids both have people they can talk to both in their family and professions. Those years are hard to undo because so much in imprinted in our brains about how the world works.

Benadryl?

 

[arielilane]

Fyi: I won't be posting Chris Graves or Courtney Francisco tweets as Pru2U committed to postings both of their comments.

Waiting for James Pilcher to update.
Actually Courtney is not posting any tweets.