OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #80

[justtrish]

As long as the judge holds a hearing first. As they said this morning, the whole issue of having a hearing for every witness who opts out is going to be a real burden on the courts going forward. They're going to need to find a better way of doing this.

Wouldn't it be as simple as asking each witness how they plan to opt in or out and then AC would know what the answer is and each morning at 830 have the hearings for anyone wanting to opt out? Now that they know there will be a hearing on it they might strongly encourage most to not opt out. I think many who opted out likely did so because they just didn't want to be on video. No real fear reasons or anything so faced with needing a hearing to prove why they should be allowed to opt out could deter them from opting out.

 

[sunshineray]

In Capote's case, I think he had note taking assistance from Harper Lee, but I don't recall reading about reporters coming and going as they wished. I recall reading about some trials where reporters had to wait until there was a recess, then running out the courtroom doors to get one of the payphones in the hallway so they could call in their stories. Some would pay someone to hold the pay phone line open for them. Other reporters would have to run to the nearest payphones across the street, at a drug store, etc. They usually staked them out in advance.

That's how the trials were back then, courtroom was open to come and go...to file breaking news, they even had radio reporting from the court room long ago.

 

[sunshineray]

Doesn't look like the tip of that knife is broken off? Like JW said happened?

 

[rsd1200]

Wow, maybe your correct? It says in this article that Jake smiled and laughed in court watching that movie clip.

Jake is insane. A psychopath.

Like @Myland said Jake was reliving the moment he killed 8 people.

I have known that Jake is insane for over 6 years now @Cool Cats and posted many times on here it was Jake's show all the way. He manipulated his family into all this.

Maybe grandma will buy him a DVD of that movie so he can get his pleasure the rest of his life since he can't have any little girls in prison.



JMO
JMO

Jake is not insane, imo. He knew what he was doing was wrong and was fully aware of what he was doing. A psychopath? Maybe so, but he's not insane.

 

[rsd1200]

Is there no sound today?

 

[Betty P]

It looks like they're showing quite a few evidence photos. Ballistics, weapons, looked like the door to Chri's trailer, etc.

 

[sunshineray]

Jake is not insane, imo. He knew what he was doing was wrong and was fully aware of what he was doing. A psychopath? Maybe so, but he's not insane.

I think he's a psychopath too. One of the reporter in the courtroom said throughout all his testimony he's shown no emotion at all, not even when he mouthed, "I'm sorry" to the victim's family members sitting in the courtroom. AJMO

 

[Betty P]

Is there no sound today?

Not for now. Pretty sure Jake is still testifying. He's the only opt out witness who has had a hearing to approve ... opting out.

 

[sunshineray]

Is there no sound today?

nope, opt-out

 

[sunshineray]

In comparison to Ohio, pursuant to a change in law passed in 2020, England and Wales allowed cameras in the Crown Court for the first time on 28 July 2022.

But the coverage is restricted to the judge handing down a sentence and explaining the reasons for it, with a time delay to avoid broadcasting any violent or abusive reaction. Viewers get to see inside the courtroom for around 30 minutes, but the cameras is fixed firmly on the judge with no view of the defendant, victims, jurors, lawyers, or witnesses.

I'm thinking that we can do away with these opt-out hearings and shield defendants such as Jake by adopting the practice where defendants can be fitted with head wigs similar to British Judges and Lawyers. And you can silence the civil rights complaints with facts from common law, adopted by the United States, that the purpose of wearing a wig was to reinforce the idea of anonymity. It's basically the same concept as "the law is blind."

The law should be "blind" to race, ethnicity, social standing, net worth, Instagram followers, political affiliations, and your prison status-- snitch or not a snitch! Problem solved -- no more opt-out hearings. JK

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Wow! The first I remember was OJ way back in the mid 90's

 

[Betty P]

Looking at bottom of casings for Win(chester?) 9 mm; Some of this looks like items from the cement buckets. ETA: Looks like cut-up gun parts.

ETA: Looks like they're taking lunch break now.

 

[sunshineray]

BW still has his trial to come. Is it possible that Prosecutors want to keep JW out of the spotlight and gag him so to speak? They won't want BWs team to hear what JW is saying. Perhaps. JMO

BW's lawyers will get the transcripts quicker than the public, they'll know everything being said in GWIV's trial.

 

[sunshineray]

Looking at bottom of casings for Win(chester?) 9 mm; Some of this looks like items from the cement buckets. ETA: Looks like cut-up gun parts.

ETA: Looks like they're taking lunch break now.

Yes, one looked to me like it was a cut off wood stock?

 

[rsd1200]

I think he's a psychopath too. One of the reporter in the courtroom said throughout all his testimony he's shown no emotion at all, not even when he mouthed, "I'm sorry" to the victim's family members sitting in the courtroom. AJMO

We got to see his confession video taped. Nothing. I've seen no remorse. <modsnip: unprofessional diagnosis>

 

[Dudly]

Keep in mind the Appeals Court decision, as shown, states Failure to follow their decision will result in a mistrial. They specifically put mistrial on the table For this case. Hopefully it will be overruled, but for now it’s hanging over the judge’s head if that court feels he makes a wrong decision in one of his hearings about allowing a defendant to take the option. I presume a hearing will have to be held for every witness who wants to take the option going forward. so, more of those hearings with the threat of a mistrial if the judge rules in a way they don’t like.

Nash and Parker just succeeded in tying the rest of this trial in knots, with a wrong move by the judge resulting in mistrial. The decision also gives N&P a mountain of opportunities to appeal based on this decision. JMO, Ithink they were behind this “journalist’s” crusade.
Hopefully another court will overturn it.

There won’t be a mistrial over the option in or out. It has zero to do with the case being tried. Like Deering said, they don’t know who will be called until the last minute in some cases, then they don’t know if the witness will opt out till the last minute. They would have to stop the regular trial for a separate hearing each time a witness opts out. The trial would take forever to get finished with all that going on. He also said it was a state mandate, not his mandate, that people could opt out….

 

[Niner]

@arielilane - just checking with you - can you do Friday's tweets, since there is no court tomorrow, as far as I know. I can do morning ones - the afternoons are way too late for me! I'm old! LOL!

 

[Antimony]

In Media history, the disruption to the court has been substantial. Pre-WW2
You might have had print reporters doing shorthand and runners delivering the notes for transcription. Radio reporters would have microphones everywhere and maybe a commentator doing play by play. Then there was film. Film cameras were noisy and the film had to be re-loaded over time. Film cameras also had microphones to deal with. Film of the day was not very sensitive, so there had to be lights. Still photogs also had to have flashes. Maybe some of you have seen an old time 4 by 5 Crown Graphic still camera and seen its flash.
After WW2, Television cameras could be used. The older TV cameras needed even more light than film. Imagine the wiring mess that mike cables and power cables caused. This would have been the time the court imposed restrictions on media.
Another important consideration is accidently picking up attorney/client talk and conversations between the judge and attorneys when held up at the bench. I think these are called sidebar. Newer cameras do not need the lights or mike cables (wireless) but shotgun mike can hear a pin drop at 30 feet and that could be a real consideration.

 

[Dudly]

Lawyer asking judge to allow reporters to take a break during opt out testimony? Canepa made an argument. Couldn't hear very well. She argued on behalf of jury who shouldn't be disrupted. Thinks there is potential for abuse of such a privilege for media.

Judge asking about rules and, etc. for hearings. How do you have a trial that includes multiple hearings in the midst of it all for separate hearings for witnesses who want to opt out. There's no precedent for that.
Where do you hold the hearing? What rules for the hearing?

Scioto News guy's lawyer is attempting to set those rules for the judge, which he's not qualified to do. If they have a problem with what the judge is doing WRT to these hearings, they'll let him know, they'll make an objection.

This is total BS, JMO. The news media attorney gets to run the trial now, apparently. SMH Wagners are loving this.

This!!
How do you have a trial that includes multiple hearings in the midst of it all for separate hearings for witnesses who want to opt out. There's no precedent for that.
Where do you hold the hearing? What rules for the hearing.

 

[CIA Team Member]

Am I missing something today? I don't see any tweets from media from morning session. <shrug>

 

[sunshineray]

This!!
How do you have a trial that includes multiple hearings in the midst of it all for separate hearings for witnesses who want to opt out. There's no precedent for that.
Where do you hold the hearing? What rules for the hearing.

There's a simple solution to all this, a compromise. What's the difference between pen and paper in the courtroom or write only tablets (like the old Kindles were capable of) connected to wifi in the courtroom? Absolutely no difference in this day and age.

It actually would get rid of the need for reporters to leave and come back in problem. Why isn't this being discussed as an option? It's so simple a solution. No camera, no audio, just words being published FROM the courtroom in real time. Are they afraid the public will know every single thing that's said and done?
AJMO