OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #81

[ohioexpat63]

How many times has Jake fallen on the sword when it came to women? He has thrown everyone that loved him away. Discarded like rubbish. I dont know the truth concerning EA, but I'll take her word over Jake any day of the week.

 

[abeaman02]

I think I can post this since it is in MSM. If not please take down.

EXCLUSIVE: Listen to Jake Wagner describe how he killed the Rhoden family - Scioto Valley Guardian

 

[Seattle1]

I think I can post this since it is in MSM. If not please take down.

EXCLUSIVE: Listen to Jake Wagner describe how he killed the Rhoden family - Scioto Valley Guardian

The only thing I got from the recording is near the very end of the recording, when leaving Dana's, Jakes says that he thinks he locked the door.

I recall there's been some controversy about Jake saying he entered the residence through an unlocked door and that he locked the door when he exited. From the audio, Jake actually said he thinks he locked the door. He was not absolute about locking the door when he left.

 

[justtrish]

Let's try a thought experiment. What evidence have we seen that indicates the 8 victims were killed by the four Wagners in a conspiracy? When we pull out one member from that family, we get all tied up with what we have separate about that person. But what do we have that indicates these people as a group were the killers?

• the forged custody documents
• the pattern of verbal, emotional abuse and threats against the wives and Sophia's mother (direct testimony from 2 victims)
• the purchase of the shoes (receipts)
• the shell casings and ballistics
• the suppressor/silencers
• the guns found in the goose house
• the hacking of social media accounts of Tabitha, her mother, and Hanna, indicating that not only were the Wagners worried about not having full custody of Sophia, they feared Hanna would influence Tabitha
• the purchase of the murder truck
• the modification of the murder truck
• getting rid of the murder truck
• evidence of obsession about maintaining control and custody of minor children

I'd also include:
testimony from Tabitha and Jake about the extensive criminal activity of the Wagner family
testimony about the kitchen table decision-making of the family (3 sources)

My opinion only but there is overwhelming evidence that the Wagner FAMILY did these murders. And if George assisted, he's as guilty as everyone else. Please add, challenge, or correct as you see fit.

Something I think to point out, why did George need fake custody documents if he had his son already? He had to have something giving his son to his mother.. possibly because he was about to embark on a plan that could get him killed?

 

[abeaman02]

The only thing I got from the recording is near the very end of the recording, when leaving Dana's, Jakes says that he thinks he locked the door.

I recall there's been some controversy about Jake saying he entered the residence through an unlocked door and that he locked the door when he exited. From the audio, Jake actually said he thinks he locked the door. He was not absolute about locking the door when he left.

I noticed that too. It is so much more open to interpretation when we are getting tweets from different people, then listening ourselves

 

[justtrish]

The only thing I got from the recording is near the very end of the recording, when leaving Dana's, Jakes says that he thinks he locked the door.

I recall there's been some controversy about Jake saying he entered the residence through an unlocked door and that he locked the door when he exited. From the audio, Jake actually said he thinks he locked the door. He was not absolute about locking the door when he left.

I wonder how many things he wasn't sure of (that really don't matter in the big picture) that were tweeted about as him making a definitive statement? I also think how a question is asked is important also.

Defense "so you think you locked the door?"
Jake- yes

Tweet goes out Jake said he locked the door.

Defense did a lot of odd questions for other witnesses. Lots of leading witnesses that wasn't objected to and lots of summarizing info and then trying to make a question out of it.

 

[ohioexpat63]

The only thing I got from the recording is near the very end of the recording, when leaving Dana's, Jakes says that he thinks he locked the door.

I recall there's been some controversy about Jake saying he entered the residence through an unlocked door and that he locked the door when he exited. From the audio, Jake actually said he thinks he locked the door. He was not absolute about locking the door when he left.

I recall something similar. But at the end of the day it doesnt matter. He was probably so jacked up on adrenaline he doeant remember what the heck he did. 8f the defense wants to make hay outnof inconsequential inconsistencies after 6 years have at it. Jmo

 

[rsd1200]

Let's try a thought experiment. What evidence have we seen that indicates the 8 victims were killed by the four Wagners in a conspiracy? When we pull out one member from that family, we get all tied up with what we have separate about that person. But what do we have that indicates these people as a group were the killers?

• the forged custody documents
• the pattern of verbal, emotional abuse and threats against the wives and Sophia's mother (direct testimony from 2 victims)
• the purchase of the shoes (receipts)
• the shell casings and ballistics
• the suppressor/silencers
• the guns found in the goose house
• the hacking of social media accounts of Tabitha, her mother, and Hanna, indicating that not only were the Wagners worried about not having full custody of Sophia, they feared Hanna would influence Tabitha
• the purchase of the murder truck
• the modification of the murder truck
• getting rid of the murder truck
• evidence of obsession about maintaining control and custody of minor children

I'd also include:
testimony from Tabitha and Jake about the extensive criminal activity of the Wagner family
testimony about the kitchen table decision-making of the family (3 sources)

My opinion only but there is overwhelming evidence that the Wagner FAMILY did these murders. And if George assisted, he's as guilty as everyone else. Please add, challenge, or correct as you see fit.

Totally agree, but I'd still love to hear and see all those witnesses, alongside their evidence charts, or see G4's face, and why would a LEO opt out of both? Not to be too critical of the prosecution, but I was very distracted during opening statements. I've got notes, links, partial transcripts, and that's a chore. I also felt, that the over all presentation, at times, took away from the case, as a whole. However, I am not on the jury and they did see it all and hear it all. I'll trust their judgement at the end of the day. It's not that I think G4 is as pure as the driven snow, I don't, but without JW, they'd have very, very, little to put G4 in this, other than him being JW's brother. The one with everything to lose and nothing to gain by being there.

 

[Chingaling]

I think I can post this since it is in MSM. If not please take down.

EXCLUSIVE: Listen to Jake Wagner describe how he killed the Rhoden family - Scioto Valley Guardian

How are ya'll hearing this, it does nothing for me. Won't play at and my computer acts like it's a suspicious site.

 

[Betty P]

I see this also, and it went so far as 'vine. AW didn't just put the fear into them about girls, she put the fear into them about boys, also. G4 nearly went off his rocker thinking that TC was there at the border. He, and I can't blame him, did not want his son around TC's family. The sexaual abuse she experienced could happen to him. If AW went through anything close, or worse, than what was ultimately exposed at Lackland AFB, and other military bases, then maybe that is why her way of thinking became such as it was, only that was horrible not only for her but her children, and then ultimately, on down the line to the murders. I doubt she ever got any treatment of any kind. The AF may have been what a lot of young girls thought the military might be for them, a way out of a small town, with no prospects and only poverty. She comes home, after being assaulted, and here's G3. He's big, loud, and can protect her with his size and his firearms. He's got access to money. A possible way out? No, just stuck more. Train the boys that sex is only for procreation and that any alternative forms will send you straight to Hell. Maybe they won't be like all those other "men". Warped thinking but we don't truly know what she went through and then went home to raising two children and basically still being indebted and impoverished and reliant on a male. I'm not excusing her role but I do try to see the mind of the perpetrator's. They were once young. Some, I am not so sure there is a reason behind their thinking, no matter if they were raised in a wonderful home, or a house of nightmares.

Just one AFB trainee who ultimately decided enough was enough.
Lackland AFB instructor's victim speaks of trauma, fear

I don’t see her as a victim. I do see her as judgmental, psychologically and physically abusive to her kids and grandkids. I see her and Billy as grifters and criminals who made a living by stealing and scamming other people. Their pious views about religion don’t square with their own abuse of young girls they procured for their twisted sons.

 

[Betty P]

How are ya'll hearing this, it does nothing for me. Won't play at and my computer acts like it's a suspicious site.

It is a suspicious site. Ive visited a couple of times in the past and had problems.

 

[Betty P]

The only thing I got from the recording is near the very end of the recording, when leaving Dana's, Jakes says that he thinks he locked the door.

I recall there's been some controversy about Jake saying he entered the residence through an unlocked door and that he locked the door when he exited. From the audio, Jake actually said he thinks he locked the door. He was not absolute about locking the door when he left.

I’m not surprised that he can’t remember certain details From that night. They murdered 8 different people at 4 separate crime scenes. They’re likely to have forgotten some details or mixed them up.

 

[Chingaling]

It is a suspicious site. Ive visited a couple of times in the past and had problems.

So how did everybody hear it?? I want to hear it too, please, anybody?

 

[Chingaling]

I’m not surprised that he can’t remember certain details From that night. They murdered 8 different people at 4 separate crime scenes. They’re likely to have forgotten some details or mixed them up.

I think ole dude is just batshyte crazy. He is so scary, I'd walk across the street to keep from passing that one on the sidewalk. He should be institutionalized, for life. Although I fear whatever environment he is in he will end up leading the pack.

 

[Betty P]

So how did everybody hear it?? I want to hear it too, please, anybody?

I don’t know, I haven’t listened to it. It probably spread around on social media. The recording and release of it are probably under investigation by BCI.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Something I think to point out, why did George need fake custody documents if he had his son already? He had to have something giving his son to his mother.. possibly because he was about to embark on a plan that could get him killed?

I think Hanna’s contact with Tabitha made Angela (and George) fear she would get some custody time. There are cases in the domestic violence literature where a parent has the other parent murdered to avoid ANY shared custody.

 

[PrairieWind]

It's amazing that he's insisting on going through with a trial. I'm guessing his attorneys are doing this per his demands.
With all of the work the prosecutors have put into GW4's trial, it should be easier for them to explain the crime, suspects, evidence, etc. to a second jury.

We know that JW will testify that Billy was instrumental in the planning of the murders. So defense attempts to say he wasn't at the scene (which there is plenty of evidence to show he was) is pointless. But maybe Billy still has nothing to lose. Maybe there is no real offer on the table for him to take other than life.

 

[Antimony]

I assume that George has a plea bargain ready to go and the prosecution has their's ready as well. Just waiting.

 

[Seattle1]

I recall something similar. But at the end of the day it doesnt matter. He was probably so jacked up on adrenaline he doeant remember what the heck he did. 8f the defense wants to make hay outnof inconsequential inconsistencies after 6 years have at it. Jmo

I don't think it is of any significance either and only mentioned it because I recall about 50 posts arguing about it! Carry on...

 

[iulia]

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