OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #82

[Myland]

Jmo I feel the state is playing very sneaking. I don’t feel they are being honest. My spouse pointed out to me the other day that both side lie and they do all the time. I had always had the feeling the state would be honest in the things they presented and the defense would always be the ones to manipulate things and be deceptive. My opinion now in this case is the state is very manipulative and deceptive and makes me less than confident in this trial. And really it may not matter in this case because George probably is guilty, but I do not respect the dirty play cause there could a trial (that doesn’t involve Wagner’s) in the future with some of the same prosecutors where a innocent person is sent to prison due to there dirty play. Jmo I held the prosecutors up to a higher standard but I now see they are really the same as a defense. Jmo

 

[Betty P]

Jmo I feel the state is playing very sneaking. I don’t feel they are being honest. My spouse pointed out to me the other day that both side lie and they do all the time. I had always had the feeling the state would be honest in the things they presented and the defense would always be the ones to manipulate things and be deceptive. My opinion now in this case is the state is very manipulative and deceptive and makes me less than confident in this trial. And really it may not matter in this case because George probably is guilty, but I do not respect the dirty play cause there could a trial (that doesn’t involve Wagner’s) in the future with some of the same prosecutors where a innocent person is sent to prison due to there dirty play. Jmo I held the prosecutors up to a higher standard but I now see they are really the same as a defense. Jmo

Do you have a specific example of how the state is playing "dirty"?

 

[Myland]

Do you have a specific example of how the state is playing "dirty"?

Jmo maybe I should have said not being honest instead of playing dirty.

 

[Dudly]

My s/o asks me the same. Are you still watching that trial? Is it still the same guy? Like you say, a crap ton of evidence. I don't always agree with how he's handled the courtroom but hopefully he's doing so to to best prevent a successful plea when G4 is convicted. I try to keep in mind that this is the largest case these folks have probably ever had in front of them, but , agreed, I do think some things could have been handled differently by the judge, but, it's a massive trial and I do think they are trying to get it right. I don't, however, think that the defense is lying, it could cost them their license if caught. Do they have more wiggle room than the prosecution? Yes, but it does not allow lying. With a case this large, if caught lying, it could destroy their reputation and possibly cost them their license.

I think everything is being done in a way that would allow the least chance of a mistrial. Deering is being very careful. The way the trial is being handled likey won’t make sense because the crime makes no sense…

 

[gizmobtj]

Jmo I feel the state is playing very sneaking. I don’t feel they are being honest. My spouse pointed out to me the other day that both side lie and they do all the time. I had always had the feeling the state would be honest in the things they presented and the defense would always be the ones to manipulate things and be deceptive. My opinion now in this case is the state is very manipulative and deceptive and makes me less than confident in this trial. And really it may not matter in this case because George probably is guilty, but I do not respect the dirty play cause there could a trial (that doesn’t involve Wagner’s) in the future with some of the same prosecutors where a innocent person is sent to prison due to there dirty play. Jmo I held the prosecutors up to a higher standard but I now see they are really the same as a defense. Jmo

Whay do you think they are lying or being manipulative about?

 

[Cool Cats]

I hope so.

I started wondering last night if the questionnaire used for jury selection asked about any personal experience with state child protection services. And/or s assault.

George Wagner Trial Jury Questionnaire | PDF

George Wagner Trial Jury Questionnaire

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MSN

 

[Pru2U]

George Wagner Trial Jury Questionnaire | PDF

George Wagner Trial Jury Questionnaire

www.scribd.com

MSN

Ha! Look at you, you sleuther! Thanks so much.

Now, am I reading this wrong? WKRC got their hot little hands on a 12 pages questionnaire but only shared 2 of the questions? Am I missing a link?

Edit: I found the SCRIBD link.
some sleuth I am.

 

[Cool Cats]

Jmo I feel the state is playing very sneaking. I don’t feel they are being honest. My spouse pointed out to me the other day that both side lie and they do all the time. I had always had the feeling the state would be honest in the things they presented and the defense would always be the ones to manipulate things and be deceptive. My opinion now in this case is the state is very manipulative and deceptive and makes me less than confident in this trial. And really it may not matter in this case because George probably is guilty, but I do not respect the dirty play cause there could a trial (that doesn’t involve Wagner’s) in the future with some of the same prosecutors where a innocent person is sent to prison due to there dirty play. Jmo I held the prosecutors up to a higher standard but I now see they are really the same as a defense. Jmo

Quote:

"Dirty play, playing very sneaking, very manipulative and deceptive, don’t feel they are being honest."

Lots of criticism of prosecution. Is this about how the prosecution is handing over evidence?
Criticism of Canepa withholding evidence was recently posted. Is this what you mean? Or is it something else?
See below post:

I do know that AC has failed to provide them with evidence that she decided to present, in the past. She claimed it was b/c it was a last minute decision and she didn't have time. Idc, unprofessional on her end, and unprepared. She should, at the very least, have it for review to them the day before, or early the morning of. So I'm not going to say they are lying.

 

[Pru2U]

BBM:
Perhaps that's because none of the other attorneys have had to defend their client standing before a jury, huge difference IMO.

ETA:

None of us know what their strategy is, that comes Monday. MOO Can I ask exactly what is " lump of a client"? IMO, name calling solves nada IMO. N/M, I just looked it up!

My theory on defense strategy is they will follow exactly what they said in opening statements:

George is not like the rest of his family.
George did not help plan.
George did not help cover up.
George was not at the crime scene.
George did not know anything about it.

Good luck with that! (insert sarcasm)

MOO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

It's 21 pages long, but I think this is the questionaire.

Thanks for finding the jury questionaire RSD. Would love to have seen some of the answers without any personal data attached to identify any of the jurors though.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

My theory on defense strategy is they will follow exactly what they said in opening statements:

George is not like the rest of his family.
George did not help plan.
George did not help cover up.
George was not at the crime scene.
George did not know anything about it.

Good luck with that! (insert sarcasm)

MOO

Maybe. I guess Monday will enlighten us somewhat. I wonder why AC didn't call very many of the extended Wagner family? I have thoughts, just no proof so I'll zip it.

It should be interesting to observe with some of the defense's witnesses though. I can hear objection after objection and then some, maybe throw in a few "Jesus's" in too.

 

[justtrish]

Maybe. I guess Monday will enlighten us somewhat. I wonder why AC didn't call very many of the extended Wagner family? I have thoughts, just no proof so I'll zip it.

It should be interesting to observe with some of the defense's witnesses though. I can hear objection after objection and then some, maybe throw in a few "Jesus's" in too.

I think they subpoenaed them so they couldn't attend the trial and it's still possible they will be called after the defense rests as rebuttal witnesses or evidence.

 

[justtrish]

Does anyone know if witnesses have to be subpoenaed? Are they subpoenaed if they might not show up otherwise? I'm just curious if the defense can call witnesses they haven't subpoenaed?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I think they subpoenaed them so they couldn't attend the trial and it's still possible they will be called after the defense rests as rebuttal witnesses or evidence.

Maybe!

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Does anyone know if witnesses have to be subpoenaed? Are they subpoenaed if they might not show up otherwise? I'm just curious if the defense can call witnesses they haven't subpoenaed?

IANAL but I don't think they have to be. I know I have testified without one being served to me. I think some employers require an employee to show proof though. An unwilling witness who balks at testifying probably most certainly gets one.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Here ya' go Trish. Goodnite peeps. Have a good weekend and get plenty of sunshine, exercise, and fresh air.

Law Facts: Being A Witness | Ohio State Bar Association

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[Betty P]

There have been problems with AC handing over evidence from the beginning of the case.

There hasnt been instances of that, only baseless accusations.
can you help us out and provide a link? I don’t recall any, TIA

 

[Dudly]

There hasnt been instances of that, only baseless accusations.
can you help us out and provide a link? I don’t recall any, TIA

From what I can remember, there were claims that defense said they didn’t get things but they already had them and didn’t know it.

 

[Chelly]

From what I can remember, there were claims that defense said they didn’t get things but they already had them and didn’t know it.

These nondisclosure claims between lawyers happen in most trials. It is the nature of lawyers to accuse the opposing lawyers of withholding evidence. It wastes a lot of time and is usually just a power play.

 

[Betty P]

From what I can remember, there were claims that defense said they didn’t get things but they already had them and didn’t know it.

There was a dispute over the special external hard drives they use to exchange evidence files. Defense attorneys are supposed to provide their own secure hard drives to the prosecutor for them to download the files. Its a way for defense attorneys to be sure the files aren't corrupted somehow. Detailed records, chain of custody, everybody signs off. It's SOP these days.

Anyway, N&P were complaining in court in the very early days that prosecution hadn't provided XYZ evidence. Canepa told them they hadn't yet brought their special hard drives for the AG's office to download the data. It was a game. N&P knew they were supposed to provide the hard drives, but pretended AC was withholding evidence. They used some version of that excuse a couple more times.

There were times prosecution was late turning over some files, usually the stuff that needed transcribing, etc. That's because there was so much evidence and prosecution wanted it arranged in many different formats, etc. Like "remove all the brown M&Ms" kind of thing.