Agree...Pastors, by their training and life experiences, are known to be intuitive and insightful. I'd be very surprised if their hinky-meter didn't go off within a week of reconnecting with the Wagners in Alaska. I was shocked when one testified the Wagners were "a good church family". Maybe pastors' testimony just shows the Wag-4 can pull the wool over anyone's eyes.
They were on here for a bit, too, then moved on to another board.
Both pastors actually made better witnesses for the prosecution. "I'd not want my daughter to date him" ; "GW4 had changed" ; "JW seemed to be attending more b/c of Beth" ; "JW did not seem to take his faith seriously" "We rarely saw the other Ws"; "Rarely saw the children (I guess they were being cloistered from the world and home schooled)" ; "GW4 was open about his love of Glocks" ; "Had they done a pastor confession I'd have turned them in". Didn't seem they clicked, like the same childhood chums, after 17 years, marriage, children, and a vacation visit.
yeah and I don't know that I believe the witness saying it was mostly his idea. I have many tattoos.. a full sleeve a half sleeve, other smaller ones and while I would say my tattoo artist helped design them, I provided input on things I like, what I'd like to incorperate, colors, etc. I mean no way George didn't say I like skulls, 8 ball, I like playing cards or just any type of input on the elements that make up that tattoo.. I'd say the artist designed it, but did he also come up with the 8 ball, the cards, the skull fully?
They wanted good obedient, helpmates, who would do as their husbands asked, help on the farm, and eventually...be a part of the table meetings. It was just the wrong decade, century, and a bit harder to find obedient females and start a criminal cult of their own.
It certainly wouldn't look good for the pastors to say they suspected the Wagners were involved and they were concerened or saw signs all along. I won't go so far as to say the pastors lied because I didn't get the feeling they were trying to be dishonest, but I think it's easy to put suspicious aside because it's not their place to judge or becaues they want to see the good and help people.
AW said they all were
The Ws were good at that though, and, AK probably had not seen the press the area here had. I've only seen this case, on t.v., here, around three times, since April 2016, and I am not too far across the state line. Easy driving distance. AK would be like another planet news wise.
I think he said something about hearsay. He probably figured he'd be called to testify, or had been talked to already, and wanted to just tell what he knew. He may have already felt he knew once Jake Testified. It would be hard to tell. I know different people react to such things very differently when it's close to them. Can't go into it on this thread, but it's not as simple as folks think when it's their own kin (and friends). That's not the person(s) they grew up with and thought they knew.
Maybe the cameras were the ones that go out to the folks who watch from home due to distance or infirmity. At that time they were considered innocent. All of them. They had not been charged. The church is supposed to be for the damned, not the saved. He said he'd tell had they confessed. The pastor in that church is not the same as a Catholic priest taking confession.
Recounts telling the guardian of Beth Ann Armer he wouldn't let his daughter marry Jake. "Didn't think Jake was really spiritual ... no realness to it ... I wouldn't want my daughter to marry somebody like that."
Not me. My husband’s family are pastor’s they very easily fooled. I have personal experience of them so fooled that they took the other person’s side against mine. Pastors hear something and prays to it.
I took my kid to have an awful tatt covered up (nothing bad, just really poorly done at someone's home...yeah...I paid for that one myself!), and our artist just looked at it and said dude, shook his head, sketched up something and said, how about this? My kid said, sounds good, just get rid of that other one. His ex gf has his name on her privates. I think she ended up keeping hers, it was painful, I'm told. I truly didn't need to know that but she felt the need to tell me. All of my tatts have a distinct reason behind them and I had a hand in their design from the get go. I've been in the chair and seen younger folks just point to stuff. Makes no sense to me. Ya never know with folks.
I can completely understand this and I have been in situations too where I didn't want to see something for what it was. I saw good and bad so I would let the bad slide and defend the person because there was some good. I've since went back to others I dismissed the concerns of over this other person and said, you were right, I saw it and I wanted to see the good.
The girl who was murdered in Ky, a few years back, his parents were pastors. My farrier lived next door to the guy. His parents had zero clue he did it til Dad found her in their garden. They were adamant he was innocent. His Dad turned him in. His elder brother later committed suicide I think. I don't think he'd ever been in any serious trouble at all but turned out to be a real strange cat.
