OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #82

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  • #781
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An early good morning from Pike Co. murder trial of George Wagner IV. First up - hearing on the final 7-8 wiretap recordings on which there is still dispute. Jury reports at 9:30 then we expect BCI's Julia Eveslage to introduce wiretaps to close out prosecutions case

Judge Deering on bench - there were 8 that were under dispute and maybe needed more context. Another needed to be edited just to show George knew they were being recorded.

One of them the prosecution agrees to play it all - it is 21 minutes long.

Another recording in truck - this one about George being upset Jake's daughter is calling Beth Ann Mommy - how it affects his son. Canepa says nothing is audible except that and nothing else provides context.

George says "I have to go home and confront him with the cold-hearted truth" - he has to tell his son that Angela is not his mommy as he believes.

In that same recording, George says Jake will rat them out he's the biggest rat of them all and that he should go to BCI and rat them out. Canepa says defense can't tell what else is on that recording because it's inaudible.

Prosecution withdraw the one about Olympics - referring to possible deer poaching. And another one withdrawn because it's short. They are playing another one in its entirety.

Defense wants full 9 minutes of next recording to be played. Canepa says it doesn't provide context - but glad to add and doesn't have a problem.

Next one Canepa says she was unable to listen to full call last night to argue it at this point.

One that is 32 minutes includes conversation about grandfather's headstone and people they met at R&L Carriers. Canepa says they've isolated the relevant part. Defense is saying they are only using 37 seconds and jury should be told these are snippets.

Last one is 22 minutes - prosecution says most not relevant. The segment they want to play is 2.5 minutes - begins 5 minutes into recording. This is one about "he would rat out anybody" - then Jake talks about how much he spent on toys for both kids. Objection withdrawn

That leaves just one for Canepa to review. Prosecution withdrawing 2 recordings. Some they will play it all. And defense withdraws objection on a few. Deering is allowing one snippet to be played where George and Jake say they know they're being listened to

Deering is going to instruct jury about transcripts as listening aids - they are not evidence.

Deering doesn't want them to go back to jury room for deliberation. They need to listen to tape not refer to transcripts.

That means at this point, 33 of the original 49 recordings/texts will be played or shown, with one still up for debate with the two that were withdrawn by prosecution this morning. There were 14 sustained objections yesterday.
This is so weird! The calling Angela, Mommy. I know of this happening. The father was not permitted to be called Dad. Total weird-azz, cultish, nutjobz. I never knew there could be more. Astounding.
 
  • #782
I don’t get these Wagner people AT ALL. Was George’s role to Vine as a brother or a father? How exactly did George plan to explain they share the same mother while George is his father? It’s just all kinds of effed up.

It hurts my brain. I know better to try to rationalize the irrational but the irrational keeps rearing its ugly head in this trial.

Speaking of…here we go, back to arguing the tapes again - while the jury twiddles their thumbs. Get your acts together guys! BOTH SIDES + Judge.

Rant over.
I could tell you stories...
 
  • #783
I read/heard Jake referred to mommy dearest as "the family mom." Don't have a link so JMO.
Yeah, I can see that, a matriarch, but 'vine thought she was his mother. They're speaking of letting him know that she's not. That's damaging to a child, jm2.
 
  • #784
MOO, disagree with judge not a rant. It's a threat and threats should be taken seriously. IMO
 
  • #785
This is just awful. Hearing Beth say she is constantly having to make sure she isn't alone with Sophia because Angela might say that was a time she could have abused Sophia.
 
  • #786
Beth and Jake discussing family dynamics on tape two. Haven't heard anything new yet
 
  • #787
Beth and Jake discussing family dynamics on tape two. Haven't heard anything new yet
It is good to hear this because Jake is not accusing her of anything, he knows basically this is how his mother is and his wife is crying out for him to help and understand what she is going through in this house. He acts like she just needs to deal with it or talk to his mother herself. (HA) Then Beth is speaking the truth to him and he has nothing much to say back.

My goodness now they are talking about sex and Angela bringing it up. This is NOT normal. Lordy.

I think we've heard testimony about some of this stuff, but hearing the people actually discuss it like this brings it all home.
 
  • #788
OMG what mother asks their son about this stuff? We knew there was odd conversations about sex, but this is just ridiculous. Who cares if they wanted to have sex every night, they are married. Now he's questioning his wife, but his own mother is the one who asked her about this?
 
  • #789
Holy cow! Jake has no idea where Nazi Germany is?

Beth said she felt like she was living in Nazi Germany. Jake says "I have no idea where that's at."

Good job Angela.

Angela doesn't want Beth working in Minford because half the family is over there. Rhoden family?



Edit: AW is livid because the kids know she's the grandmother, not the mother. "Thanks a lot Jake, you've done enough damage around here."

"You sold everything off your truck so it doesn't even look like your truck anymore? Even gave it away!" "So it's not a big deal?! (it meaning the murders I guess or rather the suspicion they were facing)
 
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Tape three coming up: Jake and Angela Wagner talk about Beth
 
  • #791
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Another one between Jake and Beth Ann - context is dynamic of Wagner household. Beth saying yes Jake says he loves and believes her, but she lives with Angela 5 days out of the week and he's only home 2.

Beth Ann saying she has to stay away from the kids while he is gone. She's constantly on edge and make sure not touch kids or alone in room with any of them so she's not accused of any abuse. Can't have closed doors or locked doors. "extremely stressful”

BA says she can't play with the kids and they don't understand why. "If there was ever a time when I was alone in the house or alone in a room with either of them, that could be seen as a potential time that I could be abusing one of the kids”

Jake says he doesn't have an answer but he's going to try and figure something out (I think - audio is sketchy).

Jake likens relationship to putting it in mailbox and mailing it around the world. Beth Ann agrees - saying it is on hold. She's also worried Jake's daughter doesn't want her around

BA - daughter is not going to accept me unless your mom does, you see that right? If your mom is on edge around me, she's going to be on edge around me.

Jake says he could try but Beth Ann needs to talk to Angela. She says "Your mom could care less what happens to me ... she doesn't give squat about how this affects me" Beth Ann says. Angela only cares about kids and George and Jake.

Beth - no way to disprove the allegation from the past so suspicion will always be there. Says Angela probably views her as a snake in the house, and Angela's using a machete and doesn't care about feelings of the snake

Beth - told Angela during first week they were living there, Jake had wanted to "do some things" in the bedroom after the daughter was asleep in the room. Angela told her that shouldn't be done - daughter could be pretending to be asleep. Jake brought this up

Angela took it to mean it happened every night - Beth says it happened "during" the first week and didn't mean every night.

Beth "I feel like I'm living in Nazi Germany" - Jake says something I couldn't understand. End of that recording. Next one is between Jake and Angela about Beth.



Will continue on another post...
 
  • #792
Soft-spoken? lol, This woman (AW) is jealous as heck! IMO
 
  • #793
Holy Angela!!! Wow!
 
  • #794
Wow I don't even have any words for this one.
 
  • #795
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Angela "They know who she is" supposed to wait until after June 7 to do anything. Angela upset Beth is getting a library card. Wants to know why she's at library 3-4 hours.

Doesn't want Beth getting a job. Eventually Jake says Angela is delusional. She yells "don't insult me ... you've done enough damage" ... Jake "you're off the deep end”
 
  • #796
OMG AW is such a biotch, got to be her way or no way. Soft spoken she definately is not.No wonder everybody hates her guts.
 
  • #797
OMG they wanted nobody to know there were back until June 7th because that would be the 1 year mark for Tabatha I am guessing not seeing Vine and that one year mark has something to do with abandonment?

Jake telling his mother she needs meds. HA!
 
  • #798
Holy cow! Jake has no idea where Nazi Germany is?

Beth said she felt like she was living in Nazi Germany. Jake says "I have no idea where that's at."

Good job Angela.

Angela doesn't want Beth working in Minford because half the family is over there. Rhoden family?

Edit: AW is livid because the kids know she's the grandmother, not the mother. "Thanks a lot Jake, you've done enough damage around here."
Sweet Mother of Pearl! How on earth did Beth survive as long as she did? Those 3 months must’ve been an eternity.
 
  • #799
Incarceration will be a dream come true for GW4 than to have to deal with AW on a daily basis. IMO
 
  • #800
Sweet Mother of Pearl! How on earth did Beth survive as long as she did? Those 3 months must’ve been an eternity.

I reckon she must have missed it by that much /''''\ . Got out in the nick of time.
 
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