OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #82

[Tena]

Going back to the year before the murders, it's pretty easy to understand how this "mother" instilled all the accusations into her sons heads about their women...

 

[justtrish]

I think it was in texts, so during one of Agent Eveslage's testimonies.

I remember because of the text where AW tells BW they could get a motel room and bring GW4's son, and "it might be fun." BW was staying at FWF and AW was trying to get him to come back.

I remember discussing this... what fun to have Billy and Angela in a hotel room with children.

In all seriousness, I hope both of the children have been in therapy. I also dislike having thoughts like this, but I feel like if there is any good in a tragedy like this, it's that Vine and Sophia won't have to grow up in that mess of a household. I am sure there will be other issues as they grow up and realize how they lived, what happened, and just processing that. Maybe they can use their experiences to help others in similar situations. I hope they know they are survivors and brave and that none of this mess was their fault.

 

[ColMustard]

I remember discussing this... what fun to have Billy and Angela in a hotel room with children.

In all seriousness, I hope both of the children have been in therapy. I also dislike having thoughts like this, but I feel like if there is any good in a tragedy like this, it's that Vine and Sophia won't have to grow up in that mess of a household. I am sure there will be other issues as they grow up and realize how they lived, what happened, and just processing that. Maybe they can use their experiences to help others in similar situations. I hope they know they are survivors and brave and that none of this mess was their fault.

Yes, I got censored for talking about it.

 

[Pru2U]

@Cool Cats

It was text messages from Billy’s phone:

Pike County murder trial: Texts highlight Wagner family dynamic, purchases for possible silencer

On Wednesday, witnesses presented cell phone data, including text messages between members of the Wagner family, and investigators set the scene for the Wagners' return from Alaska

www.wcpo.com

 

[ColMustard]

That's some "messed up" family dynamics there.

And they're only 1 family in this country/world.

It's a miracle Beth got out when she did.

The chase scene at Walmart was more dramatic than we realized.

 

[Pru2U]

Going back to the year before the murders, it's pretty easy to understand how this "mother" instilled all the accusations into her sons heads about their women...

Relentless. She was relentless and instead of it driving her sons away, they learned how to use the same tactics.

 

[Pru2U]

I was searching for those texts between Angela & Billy and totally missed what time jurors are coming back. Anybody?

 

[Chelly]

Does anyone know how many more wiretap audios will be played after lunch break?

 

[Skully67]

Wow. Those audios were wild.

 

[Skully67]

I was searching for those texts between Angela & Billy and totally missed what time jurors are coming back. Anybody?

1 pm est. But you know they never start on time.

 

[justtrish]

I really am starting to wonder about who shot who. It doesn't matter as far as the law and guilt vs innocence, but boy I do wonder. We see snippets of who George really is and it isn't lining up with the image that the defense is trying to create. I think George was more selective of who he let in, he was guarded and seems quiet and keeping to himself, but was that because he didn't trust anyone? He thinks Jake will blab. He in the opposite and so reserved because letting anyone get close could be their undoing? He seems just as angry and just as filled with rage over this accusation that Beth did something. He won't let it go, where Jake is more relaxed and rational saying he doesn't believe it.

Something is off with that night and some say Jake is laying and George just wasn't there, maybe it was Angela or just Billy and Jake. I think it's easy to hate Jake because so much as been shown of him and his questionable behaviors. But, every time we hear something from George I think wow that doesn't fit with the emotionless person we see in court. All the testimony has been Jake and Angela.. some Billy too, but we question where is George so maybe he wasn't there. Then we hear George basically claiming Beth is doing something and Jake is allowing it. He is over the top angry and yelling about it. So was he also over the top and angry about the possibility his one time friend Frankie Rhoden was doing something to Sophia? Was he angry that Chris Sr was going to help give money to Hannah to get a lawyer and was he also just so angry about this because Hannah was talking to Tabatha and her mother? Maybe they'd get the idea they could also go to court and get custody of Vine?

 

[Chelly]

@jamespilcher
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George asks "if we all go to the electric chair, would you want Beth to tell (daughter) about it?" That's it for the recording and we're breaking for lunch until 1.
@local12

 

[Pru2U]

Here’s a link to all the texts that day Courtney posted on Twitter. You should be able to click on them & enlarge, even if you aren’t on Twitter. I’m not signed in on my phone & I can see them.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1580222397583884289

 

[justtrish]

Does anyone know how many more wiretap audios will be played after lunch break?

I believe there were around 25 or so that were allowed of the 48 (I think) they wanted to play. Some are very short like 1 minute or so and others they had that were short, the defense wanted the entire thing played so I think that is why some of these early ones were so long. The defense objected to just parts of those and so the state had to play the entire thing. Yesterday AC said she thought they could get through them all today and rest.

 

[justtrish]

Here’s a link to all the texts that day Courtney posted on Twitter. You should be able to click on them & enlarge, even if you aren’t on Twitter. I’m not signed in on my phone & I can see them.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1580222397583884289

You rock! Thanks for finding these!

 

[pcrum12]

OMG they wanted nobody to know there were back until June 7th because that would be the 1 year mark for Tabatha I am guessing not seeing Vine and that one year mark has something to do with abandonment?

Jake telling his mother she needs meds. HA!

yep!

 

[pcrum12]

I don't care who pulled the triggers, Angela committed these murders.

totally agree - them boys never had a chance under her wing. I'm not forgiving what they did, they are evil. but sounds like she made them that way.

 

[Betty P]

I really am starting to wonder about who shot who. It doesn't matter as far as the law and guilt vs innocence, but boy I do wonder. We see snippets of who George really is and it isn't lining up with the image that the defense is trying to create. I think George was more selective of who he let in, he was guarded and seems quiet and keeping to himself, but was that because he didn't trust anyone? He thinks Jake will blab. He in the opposite and so reserved because letting anyone get close could be their undoing? He seems just as angry and just as filled with rage over this accusation that Beth did something. He won't let it go, where Jake is more relaxed and rational saying he doesn't believe it.

Something is off with that night and some say Jake is laying and George just wasn't there, maybe it was Angela or just Billy and Jake. I think it's easy to hate Jake because so much as been shown of him and his questionable behaviors. But, every time we hear something from George I think wow that doesn't fit with the emotionless person we see in court. All the testimony has been Jake and Angela.. some Billy too, but we question where is George so maybe he wasn't there. Then we hear George basically claiming Beth is doing something and Jake is allowing it. He is over the top angry and yelling about it. So was he also over the top and angry about the possibility his one time friend Frankie Rhoden was doing something to Sophia? Was he angry that Chris Sr was going to help give money to Hannah to get a lawyer and was he also just so angry about this because Hannah was talking to Tabatha and her mother? Maybe they'd get the idea they could also go to court and get custody of Vine?

It should be clear after listening to these tapes that George was very paranoid and angry about the custody battles. I've long believed he saw Hanna and Jake's custody fight and her refusal to be intimidated as a trigger for George. He was paranoid and worried Hanna would persuade Tabitha to fight him for custody of Vine. He seemed to have a grudge against Frankie, too.

I think he did shoot his own gun that night, wounding Chris Sr. There's still the issue of Jake saying Billy only shot Chris twice, but Chris was shot 9 times, according to the autopsy.

As someone else proposed here, Jake may have been standing guard at Frankies while George and Billy did the shooting at Chris's. JMO, George shot Chris with the SKS and may have done some shooting inside, especially if Billy got as hysterical as Jake claimed.

No way was Jake running around like Rambo, putting away his gun, taking the SKS, etc.

 

[Chelly]

I believe there were around 25 or so that were allowed of the 48 (I think) they wanted to play. Some are very short like 1 minute or so and others they had that were short, the defense wanted the entire thing played so I think that is why some of these early ones were so long. The defense objected to just parts of those and so the state had to play the entire thing. Yesterday AC said she thought they could get through them all today and rest.

Thanks. I hope the focus of upcoming audios is on GW4's involvement in the murders.

 

[pcrum12]

So Beth confided in Angela and tells her she didn't realize the abuse she endured was abuse.

Angela's response- that must mean she would abuse Vine because she didn't know the other abuse was wrong?

Then the kicker she says she should go down to the police station and tell them if she was abused. Why doesn't she do that??

WOW so why the heck didn't they go to the police over Sophia being abused if they really believed she was? Seems she is so eager for Beth to go on down there if she was abused. Why didn't the Wagner's go on down there and report the abuse they suspected on Sophia?

BAM! The irony is rich!