OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #83

[RAISINISBACK]

Just popped in to check updates. Won’t comment to posts just likes, my brain is in a fog. Internet reception is off an on here also at Cleveland Clinic hospital . Orthro dr thought my husband had a torn rotator cup that was healing. Was given news that he has 19 cancerous brain tumors, one cancerous tumor on his liver, pancreas, sternum, spinal cord and one pre cancerous tumor in each kidney.

I am so sorry to hear this. Will pray that treatments work.

 

[dgfred]

When there are two new pairs of shoes that equals 2 shooters?

Does one truck equal 1 shooter?

Do three guns mean 3 shooters?

Don't know if ya can figure how many killers were there by the pairs of new shoes. Maybe BW had a old pair of his own that he was ready to burn up. Maybe AW already had a new pair for him. Maybe he wore a pair of hers?

 

[justtrish]

Two adult males? Why would 2 adult males need 2 separate vehicles (the "murder truck" and Chris Sr's. truck) as they drove to each crime scene to murder the people sleeping there? The answer was already provided. Billy had very big feet. There were likely no "murder shoes" in stock at Walmart in his size. He wore his boots instead.

I still don't think Billy would have worn them anyway. He showed up to that meeting dressed like he would any other time he went to Chris Sr house. I don't think he cared to look super put together, but he sure wasn't going to wear old man shoes. If he only ever wore work boots, then showing up to a big drug meeting in something else might be odd. Billy didn't wear a disguise because he was supposed to be there, he showed up looking like he usually did and wearing what he would usually wear. I don't think Billy needed different shoes. The only reason to try to put shoes on Billy instead of George is to say they all just framed George. If Billy was always over at Chris Sr house then his boot prints being around there would not be unusual. Remember he always said hide in plain sight and act like you belong there.

They took those foot impressions because the shoe expert asked for them. They did all 3 because they were thorough. They were also trying to spark chatting about it on the wire taps. Only 2 people were going to the scenes in a disguise. Billy was showing up for a drug meeting in his regular work boots. The 2 that were not supposed to be there were hidden in the truck with the Walmart shoes on.

 

[arielilane]

WAVERLY, Ohio — Neither the jury nor witness testimony will happen in the Pike County murder trial Monday, as the court holds a Rule 29 hearing.

Rule 29 hearings are typical procedures held after the prosecution rests its case — which happened on Thursday, before court adjourned for a long weekend.

During court Monday, the prosecution will move to admit its thousands of exhibits presented during its case. Defense attorneys are able to object to items one final time. What is officially admitted will be available to the jury during their deliberation.

During the hearing, defense attorneys can also request the evidence prosecution entered be examined to determine whether there is sufficient evidence to obtain a conviction. If the evidence is found to be insufficient, defense attorneys can request their client be acquitted of the charges.

Pike County murder trial: No jury Monday as defense and prosecution argue over evidence

Neither the jury nor witnesses appeared in the Pike County murder trial Monday, as the prosecution and defense attorneys argued what evidence will be entered for jury deliberation.

www.wcpo.com

 

[justtrish]

When there are two new pairs of shoes that equals 2 shooters?

Does one truck equal 1 shooter?

Do three guns mean 3 shooters?

Don't know if ya can figure how many killers were there by the pairs of new shoes. Maybe BW had a old pair of his own that he was ready to burn up. Maybe AW already had a new pair for him. Maybe he wore a pair of hers?

I don't know why but Dr. Seuss came to mind reading your post. That's the reason for my laugh reaction.

I really just think it's as simple as Billy knew he had a reason to be there and he went in what he normally would wear. Maybe he didn't plan to be inside any of the other houses.. I still think it's likely George shot Kenneth. I think Billy was there for that meeting to have a reason to be at Chris Sr.. the house that would be most difficult to come in without being seen/known. He knew there were guns and lots of them in Chris Sr bedroom. He knew they had cameras. He knew Gary was there and he was an "unknown".. would he be sleeping in the living room in the recliner or heck not sleeping at all since he's on cocaine. They couldn't risk messing up Chris Sr's so Billy decided he would just find a reason to be there.

 

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Just popped in to check updates. Won’t comment to posts just likes, my brain is in a fog. Internet reception is off an on here also at Cleveland Clinic hospital . Orthro dr thought my husband had a torn rotator cup that was healing. Was given news that he has 19 cancerous brain tumors, one cancerous tumor on his liver, pancreas, sternum, spinal cord and one pre cancerous tumor in each kidney.

So very sorry. Agree you are in good hands at CC. Wishing you and hubby the very best.

 

[silenced]

I trust the jury and I trust the judge, I even trust Junk and Superman. The one I do not trust is Canepa. I think she has at the very least shown herself to be unethical. Before you go off on me let me give a few reasons why.

The burned DVR.
She showed that burned DVR about twenty times. Had about ten witnesses testify about finding it in a burn pile on Peterson Rd. Showed a brand new one BCI bought just like it. Showed the Walmart receipt where it was bought. Had Ryan S publish it to the jury so they could get a close up look at it. To make them think this was some iron clad piece of evidence. That it was used to surveil the Rhodens. Then we find out Jake bought it and installed it at Peterson rd but Billy made him take it down. That it had absolutely nothing to do with the murders or what was bought for the murders. She did every bit of that to poison the jury's minds.

The guns.
She put on hours of testimony about the guns found at FWF. Brought up @rsd1200 's boyfriend to waste days testifying about them. To the point the judge had to admonish the jury that just because people own a lot of guns it does not follow that they did or will they ever murder someone. Even Junk made the comment "You should see all the guns I own." She did that to poison the jury's mind hoping there was at least one anti gun person on the jury.

The casings that did not match the calibers used in the murders.
Ditto. See above. The only good that came out of that was @rsd1200 got to see the boyfriend a few more days. But it was more deliberate poisoning of the jury's minds.

The purchases.
Not one single purchase of anything used in the murders was bought by George. Not one. Every one of them were bought by Jake and Angie. She tried to bring in the purchase of an oil filter and was left with egg on her face when it was proved to be bought from Angie's bank account. She tried to bring in the parts bought at O'Rielly's auto parts but was caught flat footed when it was clearly marked on the receipt those parts were for a 2009 Chevy Silverado that was owned by George. They were not even anything that could be remotely used to make a silencer either. All this was done to poison the jury's minds.

The bank accounts.
She told the jury the W's all co-mingled finances to the point they all had a single bank account where all the money was deposited and they all could draw on that account. She did this to show they were an "enmeshed" family. Then we find out that the W's had many bank accounts. Angie and Billy had two, jake had a personal one, and the business Jake and George owned together had one as any CPA will advise you to set up when you own a business and George in fact only had one bank account that was personal. There was no co-mingling of funds. George and Jake wrote checks out of their personal bank accounts to Angie clearly marked Child Care. So she deceived the jury. Misled them.

Insurance money.
She tried to say George filed an insurance claim and received 40 thousand dollars which was deposited in his bank account. Both Canepa and the states forensic auditor was left red faced by making a rookie mistake of not checking the birthdate on the application for the account. Turned out it was Billys and Angie's account, not George and Angie's. That was a rookie mistake by that forensic auditor and by Canepa, but nevertheless I think it was not deliberate deceit, but extreme carelessness in a DP case.

The shoes.
Much has been made of those shoeprints and shoes. George, Billy and jake were all called in to have molds made of their feet. The Walmart receipt for those shoes was shown about ten times. Mentioned about 50 times. Angie was shown carting them out of Walmart. A king of shoeprint experts was brought in to testify. But in the end, us and the jury was left confused as to whether the mold of Georges foot matched the shoe and the jury was never told what size shoe George actually wore. Then the Shoeprint King was caught off guard by the defense showing him at a conference holding a pair of shoes with the exact same sole design sold at Walmart and other stores under a different brand name. We then found out the shoe molds were outsourced and there could be thousands of different companies using that mold under a different brand name. And we never did learn what size shoe George actually wore. So again, she misled the jury. And will we ever find out George's shoe size?

The tattoo.
That tattoo was endlessly testified to by the prosecution witnesses. Show at least 20 times to the jury. Implied it was a trophy George had to brag about killing 8 people. This was done deliberately to poison the jury's minds against George because when it was all said and done the tattoo artist testified it was his idea and not George's to use that particular tattoo to cover up an existing tattoo George had. You know BCI knew that because you know BCI talked to that tattoo artist long before the W's were arrested. Canepa knew it too. So again another attempt to mislead and poison the jury's mind.

The wolf picture.
Absolutely no bearing on the case whatsoever. It was a mime posted on a FB page. Should never have been admitted into evidence in the first place. Just one more way she tried to mislead and poison the jury.

Phone calls and wiretaps.
We and the jury were promised these would be 5 times more damning than any other evidence presented. Instead we hear Jake and George scream at each other for hours shouting "No I didn't" "yes you did" "I didn't" "you did" "Didn't" "Did". She did that to make the jury dislike George and portray him as an out of control screaming manic. Why did we not hear the hundreds of hours of calls/taps where he and Jake spoke in normal tones about mundane things like buying food or where to stop for gas? This ended up being an ongoing argument between two siblings. Everyone on that jury has probably heard those kinds of arguments in their own homes if they have more than one child. especially if they ever took their kids on a long vacation in a car.

The only thing pertinent to come out of those call/taps was George threatening to go to BCI and rat Jake out.

Those are just a few things Canepa did throughout this trial to mislead and poison the juror's minds. I think it is unethical to say the least. I also think it is why Yost got rid of Canepa and dumped her on Pike County.

JMO

Excellent post! Thank you. I hope the defense team is reading here for closing statement material Ws are monsters. All of them, as we've been told. I revisited GWIV bond hearing over the weekend. I'm no longer convinced.

 

[Chelly]

https://twitter.com/pattinewberry

Patricia Gallagher Newberry

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Lawyers are expected to work into the night to determine what exhibits and physical evidence in the @PikeCountyMassacre trial of #GeorgeWagnerIV will be officially admitted. They'll call back Judge Randy Deering when the defense is ready to put objections on the record.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Two adult males? Why would 2 adult males need 2 separate vehicles (the "murder truck" and Chris Sr's. truck) as they drove to each crime scene to murder the people sleeping there? As for the shoes, the answer was already provided. Billy had very big feet (IIRC Size 14). There were likely no "murder shoes" in stock at Walmart in his size. He wore his boots instead.

ETA: I wonder if the defense will call any witnesses for GW4?

Why would 2 adult males need 2 separate vehicles (the "murder truck" and Chris Sr's. truck) as they drove to each crime scene

Who said it was two adult MALES? And they did not take 2 trucks to each scene. They drove the murder truck to Chris's. They walked to Frankie's. They drove Chris's to Dana's because they thought if someone was still awake it wouldn't be questioned if they looked out and saw Chris's truck in the drive.

They only drove 2 trucks to Kenny's. The murder truck to park back up on the main road for the driver to act as look out and Chris's truck to drive to Kenny's most likely so if Kenny was awake he would not question Chris's truck coming down his drive (remember that doorbell type surveillance Kenny had he could see from inside his camper who pulled into his drive?) Another reason is because Brownie knew the sound of Chris's truck and probably would not bark when she heard it.

All of this could have been done very easily by two people. Even a man and a woman. So none of that rules out Jake and Angie being the only ones there.

As for the shoes, the answer was already provided. Billy had very big feet (IIRC Size 14). There were likely no "murder shoes" in stock at Walmart in his size. He wore his boots instead.

No where has it been testified that Billy had big feet. No where has it been testified that he wore a size 14. No where has it been testified that he wore boots. This is all pure speculation. The fact is we do not know what size shoe George, Billy, Jake or Angie wears.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

She was the dictator for the sons and BW3 took care of himself. More than two people went to the murder scenes. IMO

Well according to one of Jake's many stories George only decided to go at the last minute to protect him, so if you choose to believe that Jake story there was no need to buy George any shoes.

So where would that leave us on the matter of two pairs of shoes?

JMo

 

[dgfred]

Can't pick and choose to believe what they said they did... and who went.

If you believe parts of the story it seems one would have to believe the rest. Or most of it.

GW does sound calm and cool on tapes... so he might have stayed out of the murders. Not

I see zero reason to lie and say your brother was there... when he was not.

And IF he wasn't there... he should have at least a tiny, itty bitty piece of evidence showing that was so. That might bring in to question what the prosecution, JW and AW have been saying.

Maybe he was somewhere else at the time of the murders... planning to bring hell down on some other person(s) that was against him.

 

[Chelly]

Court has been back on the record for several minutes. Lots of evidence objections for Judge to rule on tomorrow. Poor jury, more wait time for tomorrow?????.
They are trying to figure out if they can go overtime tonight and what to tell jury. Judge asks if this is going to take a half day tomorrow. Should they call jury in for a half day in afternoon? They don't know if they can reach every member of the jury in time. This trial is a disaster. All the lawyers care about is themselves. They don't seem to give a darn about what they are putting the jury through...moo

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Some people don't think at time of crisis. I'm sure they have never been through something like this and didn't even cross their mind. A few may have wanted to make sure they were dead. That was a very bad situation! Especially when you know kids are living in these trailers.

HUNH?? I am not understanding this reply to me, perhaps you replied to the wrong post.

 

[arielilane]

Well according to one of Jake's many stories George only decided to go at the last minute to protect him, so if you choose to believe that Jake story there was no need to buy George any shoes.

So where would that leave us on the matter of two pairs of shoes?

JMo

JW "stories" are testimonies and I chose to believe him when he testified that GW4 was present at the murders. The shoe evidence is pretty damning evidence, isn't it...

I chose to remove myself from this back and forth. Have a nice day.

 

[Chelly]

Judge goes on record with lawyers end of today
about 8.02 on timer
watch

 

[arielilane]

Just popped in to check updates. Won’t comment to posts just likes, my brain is in a fog. Internet reception is off an on here also at Cleveland Clinic hospital . Orthro dr thought my husband had a torn rotator cup that was healing. Was given news that he has 19 cancerous brain tumors, one cancerous tumor on his liver, pancreas, sternum, spinal cord and one pre cancerous tumor in each kidney.

Wow. So sorry about this news. Hope your husband is comfortable and receiving excellent care. Cleveland Clinic is the best place to be for cancer. You both have a lot on your plate. All the best. Keep us posted.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

Update on Pike Co. We’re done on the record today. Lawyers from both sides still working things out off the record into tonight. They’ll be back at 8:30 am and jury reports at noon.

 

[Chelly]

Patricia Gallagher Newberry
https://twitter.com/pattinewberry
@pattinewberry
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Update on #PikeCountyMassacre trial of #GeorgeWagnerIV. Court is closing for the day after all. The lawyers will be back at 8:30 am with official defense objections to prosecution evidence.

 

[arielilane]

last updated 4 minutes ago

John Parker, one of George's attorneys, said the defense knew which items they would object to giving the jury, and both the defense and prosecution wanted to continue arguments into Monday evening. Instead, defense and prosecution decided to stay late to see if they could reach agreements on the objectionable items.

Deering determined attorneys would return Tuesday morning at 8:30 a.m. to argue their cases on the evidence; the jury will not be called in until noon.

The main items defense attorneys Parker and Richard Nash plan on objecting to pertain to photographs of the eight victims made during their autopsies and some taken at the four crime scenes. Defense argued their point that these photos — given the prosecution has accepted George never shot any of the victims — several times in the beginning of the trial, in September. Angela Canepa, special prosecutor, pointed this out and said the arguments they currently face are ones that have already been brought up in the past.

Pike County murder trial: No jury Monday as defense and prosecution argue over evidence

Neither the jury nor witnesses appeared in the Pike County murder trial Monday, as the prosecution and defense attorneys argued what evidence will be entered for jury deliberation.

www.wcpo.com

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Just wanted to say thanks for your 2 information packed responses to my posts.

You gave me so much information I am not sure what to think anymore.

I didn't realize about all this proffer stuff with Jake changing his story so much and smirking and laughing so much etc...

Alot of information for me to think about.

I think you are the only one on the thread who wouldn't convict George, well there might be a couple others, but the problem is I think you said you do think he is guilty but that the prosecution didn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

That would be tough. To believe someone is guilty but then not believe it is beyond a reasonable doubt.

So I am not sure what to say at this point. I thought it was in the bag, that the jury will for sure convict him. You raise some doubt and make valid points. I want him convicted so I am worried he will walk.

Anyway, thanks for being honest about your feelings on the prosecution proving or not proving their Case.

I still think that if the jury believes George was at any murder scene, that they will vote him guilty of murder.

I think the main thing is the jury believing George went with Jake and Billy that night. I believe just George going along to the murder scenes means he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

I believe he went with Jake and Billy that night and would have to vote him guilty as charged.

Just my take on it.

Not me Cool Cat
Raisnback can talk not enough evidence all she wants to, I’m still saying GW4 will be voted Guilty, JMO