OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #83

[Myland]

Here is the first testimony from the gun expert....36 minutes into the video below.

Here is Agent Schiederer's testimony regarding the May 10th search of peterson road. He talks about the other searches but the May 10th search finds shell casings on the peterson road property. about 10 minutes into this video

Here is the Gun expert after the buckets of cement with the guns....the first 12 minutes of this video is where he matches it

This Glock was owned by George. We have testimony from Chris Newcombe that he purchased this glock. It was used at scenes #1 and Scenes #4. George never reported this gun missing. It was found in the buckets of cement anchoring a goose box that george helped build. To me this speaks volumes to George's culpability in these murders.

Jmo I thought Chris testified he helped buy the a couple years prior to murder. How does Chris n know that Glock is the specific Glock used in murders.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I just reviewed the end of today's session, just after Agent Eveslage left the stand. At no point does the judge say he wants to see only evidence against George on Monday.

They all referenced dealing with "exhibits" on Monday that is "expected to take most of the day".

Still wondering if those proceedings will be live streamed?

This video should start just as Eveslage left the stand.

It cut it off. The judge said "so council will be here at 9.... then it cut off. It was after that as the judge went on talking to the attorneys. I am using headphones that are used in recording in a music studio so they filter out background noise and bring forward the primary speaker. It nearly killed my ears to listen to those screaming tapes. LOL I am pretty certain I heard it, but at this time I have no way to give a time stamp. I have noticed L&C has a bad habit of cutting off beginning and ends of videos after they edit.

I can't prove what was said, so for now I am going to concede to what you said you heard and say you are correct. We should know Monday anyway.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Jmo I thought Chris testified he helped buy the a couple years prior to murder. How does Chris n know that Glock is the specific Glock used in murders.

Chris never said it was the same Glock. Randa H testified the Glock George and Chris bought was GREEN. The Glock used in the murders was BLACK. I posted on here when she testified to remember that because the defense specifically asked her what color the Glock was George bought. Go back and listen to Randa's testimony.

JMO

 

[Myland]

Chris never said it was the same Glock. Randa H testified the Glock George and Chris bought was GREEN. The Glock used in the murders was BLACK. I posted on here when she testified to remember that because the defense specifically asked her what color the Glock was George bought. Go back and listen to Randa's testimony.

JMO

Jmo I thought I had remembered Randa saying that, but I was even starting to question myself.

 

[justtrish]

Yes, that was an interesting decision on Judge Deering's part. We'll have to wait and see how this plays out. He's probably thought about it and has an idea of how to proceed.

It will also be very, very interesting to see what happens with Billy's trial.

Even George said it the audio of the wire taps yesterday. He agreed with his dad's refusal to talk or work with LE in any way. They're both taking the same path, though both appear to be very guilty of most all the charges.

BBM - and remember George is the one that texted Billy on 2 different phones to warm him that BCI was at the house that day in May 2107. Clearly showing he was on the side of continuing to hide and evade speaking to BCI.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Chris never said it was the same Glock. Randa H testified the Glock George and Chris bought was GREEN. The Glock used in the murders was BLACK. I posted on here when she testified to remember that because the defense specifically asked her what color the Glock was George bought. Go back and listen to Randa's testimony.

JMO

Just rewatching earlier recordings and realised the glock is also the only weapon that had no silencer. So if used, it would have been making noise.

 

[Myland]

Jmo the evidence against George is two confessed killers trying to save their own lives. The shoes can not be put on his feet. And it’s odd that the print is so plain but no where else. This really bothers me. The tattoo can’t be linked to murder unless the tattoo artist was also part of the cover up since he mostly came up with it and that was his go to tat. The Glock Chris brought doesn’t match the murder weapon. Beth’s testimony of the bullet proof bulldozer to bust them out of prison is all crazy talk on George’s part. He may be dumb but he’s not that dumb. The ex-wife blamed Angela for everything. The wiretaps did not include any confession. George is a screamer. I have a family member who is a screamer. And they don’t have the guts to do anything other than scream. They talk a big game and have no sense when they go on their rants. I try to stay away from this person due to getting on my nerves but not out of fear. Some of those tapes were almost comical between Jake and George. Jake stating did not and George stating did to. Like little kids. Jake and his saying Wrong to George when he said something. George never thought he would be arrested, why cause he was only questioned once and maybe cause he wasn’t there. The wolf picture really, as closely as he was being watched do really think that represented the shot to the eye. Once again he is dumb but not that dumb. The custody papers: Angela could had him sign them to try to use to prove Jake’s paper we’re real. In case she needed to pull them out. We don’t know what she said to him to get him to sign them. So far he didn’t buy any of items for the murder kit except items he had a truck they could be used for. It will be hard for jury not to convict him but not because of all the evidence, but because people feel someone needs to pay, and people of the community to say we know what you did and you are guilty, because Jake and Angela Took that away from the families and people of the community. Jake and Angela in part had their own say in what would happen to them. Even with their confessions people still feel cheated. And they are cheated because neither Jake or Angela will be on death row. Jmo

 

[rsd1200]

Jmo the evidence against George is two confessed killers trying to save their own lives. The shoes can not be put on his feet. And it’s odd that the print is so plain but no where else. This really bothers me. The tattoo can’t be linked to murder unless the tattoo artist was also part of the cover up since he mostly came up with it and that was his go to tat. The Glock Chris brought doesn’t match the murder weapon. Beth’s testimony of the bullet proof bulldozer to bust them out of prison is all crazy talk on George’s part. He may be dumb but he’s not that dumb. The ex-wife blamed Angela for everything. The wiretaps did not include any confession. George is a screamer. I have a family member who is a screamer. And they don’t have the guts to do anything other than scream. They talk a big game and have no sense when they go on their rants. I try to stay away from this person due to getting on my nerves but not out of fear. Some of those tapes were almost comical between Jake and George. Jake stating did not and George stating did to. Like little kids. Jake and his saying Wrong to George when he said something. George never thought he would be arrested, why cause he was only questioned once and maybe cause he wasn’t there. The wolf picture really, as closely as he was being watched do really think that represented the shot to the eye. Once again he is dumb but not that dumb. The custody papers: Angela could had him sign them to try to use to prove Jake’s paper we’re real. In case she needed to pull them out. We don’t know what she said to him to get him to sign them. So far he didn’t buy any of items for the murder kit except items he had a truck they could be used for. It will be hard for jury not to convict him but not because of all the evidence, but because people feel someone needs to pay, and people of the community to say we know what you did and you are guilty, because Jake and Angela Took that away from the families and people of the community. Jake and Angela in part had their own say in what would happen to them. Even with their confessions people still feel cheated. And they are cheated because neither Jake or Angela will be on death row. Jmo

I think you're right. I've not seen hard evidence to convince me, in a DP trial, that he was there, nor that he was a conspirator. (the interrogation at the border and no, WTH was that about, is significant though). However, there is a ton of circumstantial evidence. Will that do it for the jury? I think they'll hang him high.

 

[Dudly]

sure. give me some time. I know it is 3 different testimonies/pieces of evidence. The gun expert saying the one .40 shell casing was fired from a glock. Then one of Agent Schiederers earlier testimonites with the first search at peterson road saying they found a .40 shell casing in that property that matched. This is when they are showing the jury how the investigation lead them to the Wagners. Then finally the third testimony was the gun expert after they found the guns in bucket of cement and took the firing pin out of that glock and fired it. It was a match. bear with me and I will try to find all three.

They took the firing pin from the.22 and put it in a different gun. TheGlock was held together in a vice to fire it.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Hi RAISINISBACK,

I hear what your saying and I am nervous George will be found not guilty when I know he is.

However, to me the shell casings at the house on peterson road matching the shell casings found at the crime scene match George's glock. This to me is huge.

As a law abiding, responsible gun owner ( & property owner), this is huge. So an item that George owns that is worth approximately $500-600 bucks turns up missing and George is not concerned. I know I would be. But not only that, this item is a firearm and George is not concerned it is missing ever. Especially not after the murder of 8 people in the middle of the night in his county. If 8 people were murdered in the middle of the night in my county and someone living in my household was in anyway connected, and a gun I owned is missing, I would be extremely concerned. But George does not ever report this gun missing after the murders. Keep in mind a Glock .40 is a nice gun to have in Alaskan Bear country.

But it is at the Montana border he can no longer plead ignorance. your vehicle is held up at the border for you and 3 other members of your family to be interviewed by a State law enforcement agency 1600+ miles away investigating those 8 murders. If you are 100% innocent and know nothing of these crimes but are missing a firearm what actions would you take? If you had limited involvment in assisting your family but did not know they were going to murder 8 people what actions would you take? But if you are actively involved in the planning, you were there that night either as a look out or in the actual killings, and/or you actively helped cover up the crimes what actions would someone like that take after the Montana interviews. George purchasing the bug detector, the murder truck, sitting in the vehicle when the murder shoes are purchased, helping buid the "goose box" with the cement buckets that later have the guns found in them.

After the Montana interviews would not an innocent person get an attorney and with the assistance of the attorney let Law enforcement know #1 I am missing a gun that I own. #2 I was with my family when we purchased a truck but I now no longer know the whereabouts of said truck #3 I noticed a purchase on my credit card for a bug detector but I did not know the significance of it at that time. #4 After the murders I helped build a "goose box" with my family(that are now suspects) and we anchored said goose box with buckets of cement.

George does none of these things. His actions seem to be consistent with someone who was actively involved in the murders of 8 people. Then we have the testimony of Jake and Agnela. Both say he was involved. And now we have the wire tap evidence.

But most importantly in all this, If I was the guardian of a small child and I even began to suspect that someone I was living with (family or not) was involved in the murder of anyone what actions would I take. Would I fear for the safety of that small child and my own safety? Would I get out of that living arrangemen? Tabbi and Beth feared for their Life and knew to get out?

Definitely the shell casings at Peterson road matching shell casings at the crime scene, matching George's Glock speaks volumes to me.

Just asking you to consider the above information.

I hear what your saying and I am nervous George will be found not guilty when I know he is.
When the trial began I was convinced he was guilty. I was 100% certain the prosecution would come out like gangbusters and throw so much evidence at him we could all rest easy he was going down. That didn't happen. And if you are nervous that he will be found not guilty then you are not convinced the prosecution proved him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I think that is the hardest thing that me and others have to admit to ourselves. The prosecution did not get the job done.

However, to me the shell casings at the house on peterson road matching the shell casings found at the crime scene match George's glock.
So an item that George owns that is worth approximately $500-600 bucks turns up missing and George is not concerned.
It was never proved it was George's Glock. They never said the Glock belonged to George, just that there were casings found that matched A Glock that was used in the murders. A couple of things testified to negates that the Glock belonged to George. Randa H testified the Glock George bought was green. The murder Glock was black. Billy told Jake to buy the guns and make silencers, leading me to believe that Glock was a recent purchase by Jake and who practiced with it to test it's accuracy. Also guns have serial numbers and it was never testified to who that Glock was registered to. So George did not have a Glock missing.


But it is at the Montana border he can no longer plead ignorance.
I agree with this. I believe the ex BCI agent the defense is going to call will testify he showed George the evidence and it was then George knew, but I also think George had spent his life protecting Jake so he went right on doing that. I think it was then that George also knew his mom was involved. He depended heavily on his mom to help him care for his son while he was out on the road most of the time. Plus she was his mom. George should have went to BCI and made a deal for immunity and told what he knew. He would not have lost his son or ever been arrested. He made a huge mistake standing loyally by a brother and mother who were not worth two pinches of owl crap. But I think, I do not know for sure since I have never been there, that it is common in that area to stay loyal to family and not to trust LE. Anyway that is the gist I got from being on here for over 6 years with people who live in that area.

3 other members of your family to be interviewed by a State law enforcement agency
Those other 3 are called in for more interviews. George was only interviewed one time at the MT border.

George purchasing the bug detector,
Did you not listen to the phone call where George was yelling at Angie "they are saying I bought a bug detector now mom." Angie told George she bought it. She also testified to that in court.

the murder truck,
but I now no longer know the whereabouts of said truck
Silas W, the uncle who sold them the truck, has been subpoenaed. But he did not testify for the prosecution. WHY? I cannot remember in who's testimony it was, maybe Jake's , that Silas brought the truck to Peterson RD and Jake bought it while it was sitting in his and George's driveway. Was George present? We don't know. Could he have walked out of the house and stood there while Jake bought the truck? Possibly. I have a feeling Silas is going to be called by the defense. So let's wait and see what Uncle Silas says about it. Jake could have told George he sold the truck to Katy. Why would George question Jake selling a truck that Jake bought? Maybe Jake told him something was messed up on it mechanically and he unloaded it on Katy.

Would I get out of that living arrangemen?
It has been testified that George was going to take his son and move in with Josie S while they were in AK. It also came out in the phone taps where he told Angie about a farm he found to buy and that he planned to live with Josie on it. Angie brought up Beth and said "I don't know George, the last person we had here did not understand about the kids." George then texted Josie and said "Does it bother you that I am close to my family?"

Definitely the shell casings at Peterson road matching shell casings at the crime scene, matching George's Glock speaks volumes to me.
They did not match any gun known to be owned by George. George's Glock was green, not black.

JMO

 

[ColMustard]

It cut it off. The judge said "so council will be here at 9.... then it cut off. It was after that as the judge went on talking to the attorneys. I am using headphones that are used in recording in a music studio so they filter out background noise and bring forward the primary speaker. It nearly killed my ears to listen to those screaming tapes. LOL I am pretty certain I heard it, but at this time I have no way to give a time stamp. I have noticed L&C has a bad habit of cutting off beginning and ends of videos after they edit.

I can't prove what was said, so for now I am going to concede to what you said you heard and say you are correct. We should know Monday anyway.

JMO

I'm curious where you might've heard it, everyone is using the same video feed.

The video doesn't end on this one until you see the color bars and hear the tone. The camera operator was often late turning the audio back on, and had been turning it off during sidebars, I do recall the judge talking about 9am.

I'll have to go back and use my phone to watch it, my PC has video problems.

As far as Monday, I suppose we won't know it's streamed until we try loading the feed.

 

[Chris_p_bacon]

Chris never said it was the same Glock. Randa H testified the Glock George and Chris bought was GREEN. The Glock used in the murders was BLACK. I posted on here when she testified to remember that because the defense specifically asked her what color the Glock was George bought. Go back and listen to Randa's testimony.

JMO

I missed that testimony. Bear with me as sometimes the job I do to support my family pre-empts listening to all testimony in this trial, so I might have missed that. But let me ask this.....Can George provide the current where abouts of the Glock he purchased with Chris Newcombe? Like can he say (through his attorneys) it was sold to a friend of this person. Or I still have it, it is currently located at this location.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Why would GWIV be so upset about BCI following him if he was totally innocent? Why wouldn’t he just think they’re wasting their time? Why would he mention getting ratted out if innocent why wouldn’t he say he would get framed instead of ratted out?
TheDefense saying he went along to protect JW, puts him at the scene of the murders. Then they say hew wasn’t there and knew nothing about it. Which is it?

Would you be upset if you had a police car on your bumper 24/7? If you knew they were listening in on everything you said? You wouldn't view that as harassment and be upset about it? I would.

He did not say he was getting ratted out. He said on the tape, which has been reported on several times. That he told Jake "I (George) should go to BCI and rat you (Jake) out, because everything I (George) do you (Jake) have always ratted me (George) out."

 

[Betty P]

Just rewatching earlier recordings and realised the glock is also the only weapon that had no silencer. So if used, it would have been making noise.

I've thought about that, too. It kind of reinforces the possibility that Jake did go down to Frankie's to stand watch during the shootings at Chris Sr's. The first murders in their killing spree, they were probably concerned that the Glock would make enough noise to alert Frankie.

It would explain some of the inconsistencies if Jake's story about how many times Chris Sr. was shot. Jake said he was shot 2 times by the Glock, autopsy said 9 times. GW4 was outside with the SKS, Billy inside with the Glock.

 

[Myland]

I've thought about that, too. It kind of reinforces the possibility that Jake did go down to Frankie's to stand watch during the shootings at Chris Sr's. The first murders in their killing spree, they were probably concerned that the Glock would make enough noise to alert Frankie.

It would explain some of the inconsistencies if Jake's story about how many times Chris Sr. was shot. Jake said he was shot 2 times by the Glock, autopsy said 9 times. GW4 was outside with the SKS, Billy inside with the Glock.

Jmo Jake knew how many times c and g were shot. That was reported very early on. He knew for a fact there were more than 2 shots. Jake tells stories. Jmo

 

[rsd1200]

BBM - and remember George is the one that texted Billy on 2 different phones to warm him that BCI was at the house that day in May 2107. Clearly showing he was on the side of continuing to hide and evade speaking to BCI.

That's not conspiracy though. That's after the murders, and not turning in family in the state of OH is not illegal, nor telling his Dad they had company. G3 is obviously uncomfortable around law enforcement (car interview). I honestly think he had to be a part, but if GW4 is convicted, and I feel he will be, then it will be due to his brother's, and mother's, words, for the most part. Without them, the state had very little, if any, evidence against G4. Just because a Glock was used, does not put it in his hand. No prints, no dna.

 

[Myland]

Jmo but I heard Jake say several times on the recordings “I will take care of it”, “I will figure something out”. That’s what he does in his way. That’s what he did when H broke it off. That’s what he did when Angela was losing it each and every time. Jmo

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'm curious where you might've heard it, everyone is using the same video feed.

The video doesn't end on this one until you see the color bars and hear the tone. The camera operator was often late turning the audio back on, and had been turning it off during sidebars, I do recall the judge talking about 9am.

I'll have to go back and use my phone to watch it, my PC has video problems.

As far as Monday, I suppose we won't know it's streamed until we try loading the feed.

I do recall the judge talking about 9am.

The judge went on talking after that. But now the feed cuts him off mid sentence and goes to the colored bars. The original yesterday kept streaming. As I said i will concede you are correct for now. We will find out Monday anyway. As I also said in my original post I have never seen a judge do that after the prosecution rests. So i guess i wait and see Monday.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

If judge asked for 'evidence against defendant'...wouldn't ALL the evidence presented in this trial of GW4 be against defendant????

It is supposed to be, but most of what I heard was evidence against jake and Angie.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Was the glock found in the cement buckets?

The black one was. But not the green one Randa H testified George bought and that belonged to George.

I posted for everyone to remember that the defense specifically asked Randa what color George's Glock was. She said Green.

JMO