OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #84

[twall]

@Betty P didn't they have a receipt for the security system that had the warranty included? It was not bought 8 or 9 months before the murders.. I recall it being from early 2016? Remember the second Walmart receipt? I only recall it being a big deal because they purchased the extended plan for it and then didn't return it, it was found burnt up.

Not Betty P but that is what I recall. Hopefully state will burn him on that answer. See what I did there?

 

[silenced]

Disturbing is coming home to find BW naked in front of the refrigerator and your wife in the bathroom. I would of hauled azz out of there and never looked back!

This IS disturbing. Was he suggesting something was going on between his dad and his wife?? I don't understand the point of this line of questioning. It makes George look bad for staying.

 

[Cool Cats]

Still, no matter what he claims there is absolutely no reason for AW and JW to throw him in on the killings if he was not involved. There just isn't any.

Especially because they would want him to get custody of the kids. For them to testify that he was involved means (to me) the State had enough evidence to confront them with and said no deal unless your honest about George's involvement. Jake might have said at first that his brother wasn't involved because Canepa said his proffer had discrepancies and someone posted it took awhile for the prosecution to settle on the final proffer.

I just can't think of any other reason for why they implicated George. Enough evidence against George is all I can think of.

I was hoping George would say why he thinks they lied and threw him under the bus. Wouldn't the jury want to know?

Whose testimony will carry more weight with them? George vs his mom and brother.

 

[Puzzles8]

Well rehearsed. The cross should be interesting. Is there an opening for the state to ask the questions they need to ask of GW4.

Very well rehearsed......

JMO

 

[ColMustard]

Right now the mood is tense between Canepa and Nash, arguing about G4 blocking Frankie on FB.

Nash continues to argue a point after the objection is overruled, Wilson asks, "...can we move on?".

edit: Three aces, skull and crossbones, and the 8 on GW's tattoo. Defense argues it only infers things.

Tattoo artist testifies he normally does four aces or two aces. Prosecution argues skull and crossbones is internationally accepted as meaning death. 8 ball for 8 victims, and three aces for three Wagners.

Judge allows the tattoo picture.

Recessed until 9am Thursday.

 

[Puzzles8]

Well that was a painful waste of my day. Did anyone see G4 look towards the jury? It seemed to me he was focused on Parker the entire time.

No, but I saw a pattern.
IMO, When Parker is asking questions G4 has one of two facial expressions.

1) Looking down, eyes half shut

2) Locking eyes with Parker, when they are going through a well rehearsed story.

Just my impression from watching

 

[Betty P]

I have a word for what I think of George and it's in the DSM-5. Just my opinion and I'm certainly not a psychiatrist, but I am curious if George has ever been evaluated by one. I think there is something going on with each of the W's, but watching him, it really is disturbing.

Well, he's got narcissistic tendencies - he loved to brag about how cool he looked and how people stopped to look at him riding around on Billy's Harley chopper. He didn't need to add those vain embellishments to his story.

He also makes it sound like he's a real ladies man, a real prize. Cool guy living with his parents and breeding his girlfriends to have his kids.

He didn't seem to think anything was wrong about having a sexual relationship with Tabitha when he was 15 and she was 13, living and sleeping together. I think he felt kind of proud of that.

He has no empathy for others. He has a history of abusing and killing animals since he was a child.

He's lying now to save his hide, but I also heard some hints of a pathological liar - someone who lies about things even when he doesn't need to.

I'm not sure about sociopath or psychopath. Was he someone who was predisposed to killing and harming others or did he only do so when his family got in a bind and he worried that he might lose custody of his own son?

 

[silenced]

He most likely should not have got on the stand. Today was useless for him IMO.

I disagree. George had to take the stand. Especially if his testimony is the truth and he really had no idea - Chris N also had no idea.

But how is that possible? Jake's proffer was early 2021. George's bond hearing was August 2020. This is when we first saw the evidence: the ballistics, the Peterson Road search evidence, the shoes, prints and all. George knew the evidence against them.

And with all the yelling going on in the house, how is it possible that George knew and heard nothing?

 

[Cool Cats]

Right now the mood is tense between Canepa and Nash, arguing about G4 blocking Frankie on FB.

Nash continues to argue a point after the objection is overruled, Wilson asks, "...can we move on?".

Interesting. George says Frankie was like a brother or best friend he hung out with but yet he blocked him on Facebook.

 

[Betty P]

LOL, defense is objecting to the state challenging GW4's statements by presenting evidence to show its inaccurate. Defense says (paraphrasing) - "we had George put that information out there and we expect it to stand as is". In other words, they don't want GW4 to be cross examined. Sorry, buddy.

 

[Betty P]

Interesting. George says Frankie was like a brother or best friend he hung out with but yet he blocked him on Facebook.

Part of socially and psychologically distancing yourself from someone you plan to kill. It helps assuage your guilt if you can make up some excuse for why you need to slaughter your friend, his girlfriend and his entire family.

 

[justtrish]

No, but I saw a pattern.
IMO, When Parker is asking questions G4 has one of two facial expressions.

1) Looking down, eyes half shut

2) Locking eyes with Parker, when they are going through a well rehearsed story.

Just my impression from watching

YES! He was super talkative about things he wanted to talk about. He would rattle out several sentences. Then when it came to the murders.. yes no questions only.. very fast to the point and moved on to something not related to what he did or didn't know.

 

[CIA Team Member]

No, but I saw a pattern.
IMO, When Parker is asking questions G4 has one of two facial expressions.

1) Looking down, eyes half shut

2) Locking eyes with Parker, when they are going through a well rehearsed story.

Just my impression from watching

This was rehearsed not just months, but months, and months.

iMO, George chose to testify because, hey, he and his entire family/extended family have fooled (stole, fraud, etc) many over the years without accountability.

Basically, GW and JW financially sustained lazy BW and AW. Much monies went into AW's pet projects/hobbies.

Both GW and JW made a very good living and could've easily went out on their own.

I keep in mind those who don't want you reading indicates they don't want you to learn anything beyond what is personally believed. Education is power and AW couldn't allow the boys to have any power of their own. Otherwise, how would they financially survive without them?

 

[Cool Cats]

I disagree. George had to take the stand. Especially if his testimony is the truth and he really had no idea - Chris N also had no idea.

But how is that possible? Jake's proffer was early 2021. George's bond hearing was August 2020. This is when we first saw the evidence: the ballistics, the Peterson Road search evidence, the shoes, prints and all. George knew the evidence against them.

And with all the yelling going on in the house, how is it possible that George knew and heard nothing?

Maybe one reason to put him on the stand is they don't think they have a strong enough defense without trying to get at least one juror to believe George. Maybe the defense thinks one juror at least might believe George and they can get a mistrial.

 

[CIA Team Member]

YES! He was super talkative about things he wanted to talk about. He would rattle out several sentences. Then when it came to the murders.. yes no questions only.. very fast to the point and moved on to something not related to what he did or didn't know.

No pausing to reflect on the question(s).

 

[thane furrows]

Parker has shown G4 the photo of Jake's hand holding the 1911 firearm. How will Defense/ G4 explain away G4's text to Jake stating "if they got the gun, they got the silencer" ?...also, in the pretrial motions Defense stated that G4 only went along at the last minute to protect Jake from Billy. Although not evidentiary to the trial and jury, it still is very compelling to the matter of truth. If G4 truly is innocent, why wouldn't Defense have proclaimed this from the very beginning instead of changing strategy for the trial. Just something to think about...The dilemma I have, is to this point, I find G4's testimony to be every bit as credible as JW & AW's. I will wait to see how he does on cross-examine

 

[silenced]

Maybe one reason to put him on the stand is they don't think they have a strong enough defense without trying to get at least one juror to believe George. Maybe the defense thinks one juror at least might believe George and they can get a mistrial.

Right. They have no defense. But really no evidence either other than witness testimony that is no more believable than their own testimony.

 

[ColMustard]

Well that was a painful waste of my day. Did anyone see G4 look towards the jury? It seemed to me he was focused on Parker the entire time.

Watching the beginning of his testimony just now, he does look at the jury when he starts answering questions about his weight problem. Did not notice him look toward the jury any other time.

 

[silenced]

Parker has shown G4 the photo of Jake's hand holding the 1911 firearm. How will Defense/ G4 explain away G4's text to Jake stating "if they got the gun, they got the silencer" ?...also, in the pretrial motions Defense stated that G4 only went along at the last minute to protect Jake from Billy. Although not evidentiary to the trial and jury, it still is very compelling to the matter of truth. If G4 truly is innocent, why wouldn't Defense have proclaimed this from the very beginning instead of changing strategy for the trial. Just something to think about...The dilemma I have, is to this point, I find G4's testimony to be every bit as credible as JW & AW's. I will wait to see how he does on cross-examine

I agree. The jury doesn't know about the gun/silencer comment, right? I need to go back and look at that again. The jury also doesn't have testimony that GWIV went along to protect BW. But also doesn't know about JW earlier proffer that he killed all 8, do they? We here have heard a lot more of the lies from JW than the jury has heard.

Cross will certainly be interesting. Parker isn't finished either. What more will the defense present?

 

[Cool Cats]

Right. They have no defense. But really no evidence either other than witness testimony that is no more believable than their own testimony.

Who are you talking about when you say:

"really no evidence either other than witness testimony that is no more believable than their own testimony."