OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #84

[Betty P]

Both sides rested. No rebuttals. Wow.

Sounds like the prosecution feels confident that GW4 didn't help himself with his testimony.

 

[pcrum12]

You can always go back and listen to testimony. Law & Crime on you tube is good.

JMO

I’ve watched and listened every day of the trial

Once again, BCI Ryan testified he turned the recorder OFF by mistake. It is in his testimony or is he lying on the witness stand also?

JMO

im going to try to find the testimony for I remember him saying it was the video he turned off not the audio. Something to the effect of thought turning it on but turned it off by mistake. Then follow up was they did get audio. I may be wrong

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

Breaking: Both the prosecution and defense have rested their case with no rebuttal by the prosecution in the Wagner murder trial in Pike Co. Jury dismissed until Nov. 28. There will still be hearings next week before Thanksgiving but closing arguments on Nov. 28. @local12

 

[sunshineray]

Did you guys catch when AC was getting to the point of why would he get a gambling tattoo when he wasn't a gambler? And boy oh boy, GW starts talking fast declaring himself a gambler and then over explained why? Omg, I laughed so hard. He was so obvious. Imo.

Yeah the I-gamble-so-much,-I'd-bet-if-it-was-gonna-rain-or-not part? He did do some stumbling and bumbling didn't he. I think every juror must have caught that one. JMO

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/CFranciscoWCPO

No Silas. Jury came in & both sides rested their cases. Judge told them closing arguments and jury instructions will take about two days. In fear of running out of time before the holiday, he told them to come back Nov. 28 to do all that.

I should say-- the defense will officially rest after submitting their exhibits. But.. you get the idea here.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Pretty sure that was the video camera and that he said they did get audio

Ok I am done with this. If you want to get to the truth of it go back and listen to the testimony. Around day 19 to 21 on you tube Law & Crime.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

If he testified, I missed it.

No, I thought they were ready to have him do rebuttal, though. Sounds like they changed their mind.

They were able to catch GW4 in a number of lies in front of the jury yesterday, so that will make them realize he's lying about not being involved.

 

[Betty P]

https://twitter.com/CFranciscoWCPO

No Silas. Jury came in & both sides rested their cases. Judge told them closing arguments and jury instructions will take about two days. In fear of running out of time before the holiday, he told them to come back Nov. 28 to do all that.

I should say-- the defense will officially rest after submitting their exhibits. But.. you get the idea here.

So, the jury might start deliberating on Wednesday, Nov 30. They will hopefully be finished before the Christmas holidays.

 

[Cool Cats]

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There's no legit reason to fully believe either of them hook, line, and sinker, either.

Pretty obvious Jake wasn't lying when he told them where to find the guns and truck. Why lie saying George went along that night?

Makes no sense for your mother and brother to give testimony that an innocent family member went to the scenes of 4 murders when they did not.

Angie's and Jake's testimony doesn't contradict statements they gave to LE, George's does. And George gives no reasons why his mom and brother say he is involved if he wasn't.

If George wasn't at the crime scenes Jake wouldn't have been so specific in explaining the details. I mean like my brother held this type of gun with this type of suppressor, couldn't see over it, I took it from him, he rode in truck, hid under another truck, stood near Chris Jr's bedroom...and so on. Specific details from Angie also.

George is not addressing these dozens of supposed lies against him. The murder questions are brushed off with simple "no" answers.

But the jury saw and heard Jake and Angela so they probably already know alot about how they feel about their credibility.

All the jury has to believe is that George went along with Jake on the murder spree that night. This means they have to discount dozens of statements from his mother and brother. George gives them nothing to work with when it comes to why would they say all this stuff against him, dozens of lies, when he is innocent? What do they gain? Nothing.

Frame your own brother and son, why? All they had to do was admit their own guilt, plead guilty to get a deal. Not add in innocent family members. For no reason.

This makes zero sense. Especially because they would want him to keep custody of the 2 children. The custody is what mattered to Jake and Angela. George is out so he let's the kids see them on video or visit, takes care of money for them in prison, visits them, does many things for them, gives them outside information they ask him about, etc....

George is worth more to them being on the outside, not in prison for life. They needed him to not get arrested. Not get convicted. No reason to lie to help him get convicted.

Why try to take George away from raising his son? No reason to do that if George is innocent.

The jury can see all this.

 

[justtrish]

Pretty sure that was the video camera and that he said they did get audio

He did! I went back to listen to it. He said about attempts to video record it and said they were trying to get video by using body worn cameras, but it was turned off or not turned on. They have audio. If they were not mirandized and didn't have audio the defense would have been highlighting that big time. No way they let that slide and not mentioned it. I didn't hear them say that once or object to any of AC's questions about what he said at the border. She wasn't lying and making stuff up. If there was not audio of that interview, then defense would have objected and said there was no recording of his. They would have asked Agent Scheiderer when he testified about what they did and who interviewed who at the border, why something wasn't recorded or why there is no record of it.

No, I thought they were ready to have him do rebuttal, though. Sounds like they changed their mind.

They were able to catch GW4 in a number of lies in front of the jury yesterday, so that will make them realize he's lying about not being involved.

He was called yesterday and asked about the guns from the gun show I think it was. It was only maybe 5 minutes and the defense didn't have any questions for him.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

It wasn't exactly a gift. The shoes were accessories used to disguise their identities during the mass murder spree.

The testimony of Jake and Angela is valid. Their confessions were made separately, without having communicated with each other, without have read proffers. For the most part, they match in details. There's no legit reason to nullify their confessions.

The testimony of Jake and Angela is valid.
Are you saying Angie and Jake has never lied about anything? Because we have heard her interview at the MT border and read both of their interviews to MSM reporters. "I reckon we missed it by just hours"

JMO

 

[Skully67]

He did! I went back to listen to it. He said about attempts to video record it and said they were trying to get video by using body worn cameras, but it was turned off or not turned on. They have audio. If they were not mirandized and didn't have audio the defense would have been highlighting that big time. No way they let that slide and not mentioned it. I didn't hear them say that once or object to any of AC's questions about what he said at the border. She wasn't lying and making stuff up. If there was not audio of that interview, then defense would have objected and said there was no recording of his. They would have asked Agent Scheiderer when he testified about what they did and who interviewed who at the border, why something wasn't recorded or why there is no record of it.

He was called yesterday and asked about the guns from the gun show I think it was. It was only maybe 5 minutes and the defense didn't have any questions for him.

What day was this testimony.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

What? Jake doesn't deserve the DP? Jake is being held up to something he is not by the State?

I'm not clear what you mean.

Listen to Canepa's opening statement again. That giddy little giggle when she talks about Jake saving his entire family says it all about what the state is holding Jake up to be. A bona fide Hero with a capital H.

JMO

 

[elliebug2015]

Why do i believe that George didn't commit these murders. I almost felt a little bit sorry for him.....he never had a chance with a family like his.
I don't like saying that but what if the jury feel the same....
He seems very credible....yes sometimes his story didn't match but what if he really didn't know about his family killing 8 people.
Maybe he was just so scared they we being stiched up that he did say they were all together that night to give them a alibi out of fear they were being accused of something he thought they would never do.
I don't even know if that makes sense but there's definitely doubt in my mind now.
What will his life be like if he's found not guilty.
JMO

That’s how I’ve been feeling. If what he’s saying is true then he has to have so many emotional issues from being treated as second best his entire life and now very possibility having his entire family wanting to take him down with him for the sheer reason of “if we’re going you’re going too” (that’s my theory at the moment anyway.) like I can totally see Angela and Jake hatching this whole thing because they don’t want him living his best life while they’re rotting in prison. The jealousy would eat them alive. They don’t care about him or love him. Evil people.

 

[Pru2U]

I thought he did well too. Out of the three, I found him the most believable and "unpolished". He has no idea what questions to expect from the prosecution no matter how well his attorneys prepare him to testify (and yes, that's part of it, preparing your client to speak in front of a group of people who are there to judge them). Prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges, LEOs, BCI members, all have a lot of background in speaking at trials. The defendants in trials may have never spoken publicly prior to their court date. Gw4, like JW, was kept home, home-schooled, his marriage run by his mother, and as a child, played only with kids on BBL and FWF. Very controlled life. No wonder he wanted to drive a truck. JW was the good boy who didn't rebel against his family's lifestyle, G4 seems he's being portrayed as a "bad kid" for wanting more and rebelling against his family's lifestyle. One that obviously elevated good boy JW over GW4. Who wouldn't want away from AW and her scam of a dog, pony, and pig show farm?

Interesting. I found GW to be the most polished and prepared of all the witnesses except BCI agents and Beth, who seemed very natural & genuine in her responses. A very sincere kudos to the defense team. In my personal opinion their advance prep was the number one best and most important thing they have done or could do -- and it was time well spent. It very well may save him a life in prison. I believe it will.

I found both Jake and Angela's testimony to be believable but not exactly stellar. I mean, these are two horrible, HORRIBLE people & they were steadfast in their horribleness on the stand. I have a sneaking suspicion the prosecution either couldn't or didn't do much prepping with them. I'm not sure what the legalities are in turning state's witness but GW was a thousand times better prepared.

These are my own observations & opinions. I respect the observations & opinions of others and enjoy mulling them over from a different perspective.

 

[elliebug2015]

So, by just sitting in the car, and AW's golden truth testimony, means he knew. Not good enough for me. I guess no one has ever hidden gifts from a recipient, while they are with them. It's not that hard. eg; I gotta run in here for a second for some household stuff, be right back. Y'all wait here with the kids. Puts packages in the boot, and tada.

This. I run in stores while my husband and kids wait in the car all the time. I just toss everything in the back and go about my day. She could have gotten in with the bag one of them been like “where to next?” and off they go to the next place without ever discussing what she bought.

 

[elliebug2015]

Regarding George’s “tell” how he looks down when answering questions and people are assuming he’s lying. He very well could be however my mom is like this. She had an abusive traumatic childhood. Because of it she has a hard time looking at people she doesn’t know well. She’ll look briefly, answer then look down. It’s a self esteem thing. She feels inferior to literally everyone. I can see that being George’s issue too. Maybe not. Maybe he is totally lying and pulling the wool over my eyes. lol but he just reminds me so much of my mom with that I just wanted to share it for thought.

 

[justtrish]

What day was this testimony.

52:45 or so he is talking about turning off the body worn camera and not on. Says there was audio of it and the defense repeats and he says yes there is audio.

33:50 Suspects were given miranda warning because this was an interview where they were now considered suspects.

34:52 We are required to do a video or audio of any interview done in custody for certain crimes and murder is one of them.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Two brothers, that do practically everything together, go to the same gun show on the same day and even if not together at the show, at the end of the day they don't show each other what they bought at the show?

Three guns were added to the Wagner collection that day, and even though the gun safe was nearly "overflowing at times" because they kept most of their guns in that safe, G4 doesn't see the new Walther?

All those .22 casings fired and covering the grounds and G never saw the Walther? There were so many with the Walther firing pin impression.

Hmmmm. January in Ohio. Do people wear heavy coats in Ohio in January because we do here. Coats big enough to hide a pistol in. It is not a rifle he bought, it was a 22 pistol.

And there is no possibility Jake hid the gun in his room? There has been no testimony George searched Jake's bedroom for hidden guns everyday.

They owned numerous 22 caliber guns. If you see shell casings on the ground do you stoop down and examine each one for firing pin impressions?

JMO

 

[Tillicum]

So, the jury might start deliberating on Wednesday, Nov 30. They will hopefully be finished before the Christmas holidays.

Yeah but how many of those jurors are gonna miss gun season? I don't know about now, but when my boys went to Pike County Schools, school was always out the first day of gun season. It really is a big deal there IMO.

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