OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#37

[MittenScarpetta]

Ya know, not one of the 4 W’a deserve to be parents. What kind of parents not only mastermind and/or encourage their sons to participate in a mass murder of another family? What kind of parents inflict that kind of life long emotional trauma on their own small children who were toddlers? B and S now have to grow up knowing their fathers who are murderers. These four people have forever altered the lives of so many people it’s unreal.

Are they sociopaths? There has to be some sort of mental illness or genetic chemical imbalance.
One person committing mass murder is crazy enough. Two people acting together in such events is even crazier. FOUR people, parents and adult children committing mass murder is just unthinkable.

 

[rsd1200]

Sure, they were watching and waiting, but why would they have waited so long that Billy was already in the next state before they stopped him?

Lexington, KY is a 2/12 hr drive from Camp Creek. Over 120 miles, about 60 of it in Ohio. Why not just follow Billy and his sister out of Flying W Farms and arrest him 10 or 20 miles down the road? Jake and his brother were arrested up near Chillicothe, not in West Virginia or Pittsburgh.

I think they did plan to arrest Billy closer to home, but he took off a little earlier.

There are any number of places along the Ohio part of this route they could have arrested Billy Wagner:

Google Maps

Idk. I'm just happy that the Ky boys got him and successfully handed him over to the Ohio boys. Maybe he did leave earlier than expected, but I don't see him fleeing the country, in a Flying W horse trailer. That's sorta telling.

 

[rsd1200]

How is it that big George's arrest was caught on video but not Jake and the IVth. I would love to see that.

Idk. They may have been, I only saw this, today. Do all of Ohio LEOs wear vid now?

Edit: I am not sure that all KY LEOs do.

 

[Myland]

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[almond]

Idk. They may have been, I only saw this, today. Do all of Ohio LEOs wear vid now?

Edit: I am not sure that all KY LEOs do.

I don't know if they all have them. I've only read that Columbus is spending the money to outfit all of their LE.

 

[Betty P]

That ‘s funny. Brought back a memory of a friend in high school who read something about enhancing weed by boiling it in wine. He boiled a pound of dirt weed in Boone’s Farm strawberry hill. Stunk up his mom’s kitchen and all it did was to make the pot taste funky. lol

Oh, I think I just threw up a little at the thought of cooking dirt weed in Boones Farm

We borrowed my mom's blender once to grind some up fine enough to make brownies. It stunk up mom's blender something terrible. High on brownies, trying to figure it out, I finally hit on the idea of rinsing it in water & baking soda. It worked.

 

[Gracie55]

I dont know where I read it, but I read it earlier today in a article that LE, in a civilian vehicle, followed Billy all the way to KY. Maybe they didn’t expect him to be leaving the state when they began following him.

Less chance for resistance separately and away from home? No chance to talk to others.

 

[rsd1200]

I don't know if they all have them. I've only read that Columbus is spending the money to outfit all of their LE.

The bigger towns/cities have them here but I'm not so sure that everyone has them in the state. Some counties refused them, iirc.

 

[rsd1200]

Less chance for resistance separately and away from home? No chance to talk to others.

That's what the county jail folks said too. Coordinated. Separated. I think they knew that they needed them separate. No way of getting into the same jail system either, would stop communications. In part, arresting them would be tricky because of the threats they'd been making, and there were two children to take into consideration. Would they fight til the end? Would they all go out as one?

 

[almond]

The bigger towns/cities have them here but I'm not so sure that everyone has them in the state. Some counties refused them, iirc.

I know that the small towns here don't have them, yet. I would think that with all of the lawyers in this country they would want them. who knows.

 

[rsd1200]

The major city I live near here in Texas is trying to makes small amounts of weed a citation offense to help reduce packed jails. They are being fought tooth and nail against it.

They are finally allowing citations here but I'm not so sure that most folks are happy about the change. The jails are over flowing though. If it's just weed, leave a fella be, is my motto.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Yes according to federal law and my state I'm a no good druggie trafficker . But for last 5 years I haven't taken one opioid since botched cervical surgery and the follow up to fix it since I started using weed.

O/T I voted to pass the medical MJ law here. Everyone I know did. I have never used it but after reading about the opioid epidemic and how easy it is to get addicted to opioids I like knowing it is there as an alternative for pain should I ever need it.

So what if the R's raised a little pot and sold it? Why should anyone condemn them for that? By judging them for that wouldn't that make everyone who has ever used MJ just as guilty as they are? Besides isn't it in the Bible that Jesus said "it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles man, but what comes out from the heart." So judge not.

 

[Betty P]

How is it that big George's arrest was caught on video but not Jake and the IVth. I would love to see that.

Must have been because the officers weren't BCI or otherwise under DeWine's control. Anything linked to DeWine is very secretive. It's how he rolls. Ohio is a wholly owned subsidiary of DeWine/Kasich, Inc.

 

[Betty P]

I dont know where I read it, but I read it earlier today in a article that LE, in a civilian vehicle, followed Billy all the way to KY. Maybe they didn’t expect him to be leaving the state when they began following him.

Maybe they didn't realize they had crossed the state line? Surely LE would know when they were about to cross out of their jurisdiction. Did they make a call to DeWine, et al and let them know that they were going into KY and to call and make arrangements to have Kentucky LE pull him over? Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that convo.

No, none of that makes sense. Someone screwed up or leaked to Billy and the had to scramble at the last minute to get the feds and KY police to arrest him.

 

[rsd1200]

I know that the small towns here don't have them, yet. I would think that with all of the lawyers in this country they would want them. who knows.

bbm
Probably why some don't.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Are you saying you don’t respect the Rhodens because 2 of the adult male victims had grow operations on their property? I’m genuinely confused by your statement.

Respecting them and respecting their right to live are two different things. IMO.

 

[rsd1200]

O/T I voted to pass the medical MJ law here. Everyone I know did. I have never used it but after reading about the opioid epidemic and how easy it is to get addicted to opioids I like knowing it is there as an alternative for pain should I ever need it.

So what if the R's raised a little pot and sold it? Why should anyone condemn them for that? By judging them for that wouldn't that make everyone who has ever used MJ just as guilty as they are? Besides isn't it in the Bible that Jesus said "it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles man, but what comes out from the heart." So judge not.

As long as I'm not endangering children, or animals, (innocents), I don't believe it is up to the government, to tell me, what I put into my body, and what I can't, nor what I can grow inside my home, or what I can't. I don't see anyone condemning the Rs for growing weed. Edit: Nor calling them horrible people. /Edit However, it was illegal. According to the feds, it still is, and is on par with Heroin. A schedule 1 drug. Again, I disagree with the feds, but they do not care.

As far as biblical, I'm not so sure. Yes it's in Genesis, about the seed bearing plants too, but, I'd check out Romans 13:1 and on down.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Respecting them and respecting their right to live are two different things. IMO.

We must just think differently and that’s okay. I have respect for anyone who’s hard working and trying. I also come from a long line of addiction, born and bread right there in Appalachia. Some of that addiction I’d imagine was/is part heredity and partly because of the struggle. Life’s rough, man. It’s even more rough when you’re fighting to get out of poverty in small town America with little opportunity. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get by, even if it means growing weed or salvaging cars.

From my perspective, who cares if they grew pot? Maybe it was to supplement their income. Maybe it was to pay for hobbies that made a life a little more tolerable-such as demolition derby’s and hunting. Chris was trying to help his cousin overcome addiction. He also worked hard at BBL as well as being said to be a man who’d give you the shirt off his back. Dana was hard working and driven. All of the kids were blossoming into adults, two of them with their own kids and just starting out in life. One hadn’t even graduated high school yet. He was a teenage boy living and learning. Hannah Hazel adored her son and her little family. Kenny got up every morning and made the trek to a Columbus just to earn a decent living. He had kids, grandkids and since another grandchild that will never know him.

I respect their lives and I also respect the Rhodens as people. They were hard working, down to earth, REAL, people. And I hope every one of them got to enjoy their final day here on earth, even if that means some of them were smoking weed or planting seeds. Were they perfect people? Nope. But where I come from, I’ve been taught I’m no better than the next person. I greet my CEO just the same as I greet a homeless person in passing. It’s not mine nor is it your place to judge. I’m sure you’re not perfect. And I pray you’ve never known the struggle of trying to survive in a region that many, if not most, struggle to even put food on the table. JMO.

 

[Betty P]

Respecting them and respecting their right to live are two different things. IMO.

Fair enough. Rhodens were hard working people, who paid their bills, took care of their families, minded their own business, stayed out of trouble and didn't kill anyone. They didn't deserve to die and it's good you respect their right to live.

Some of us don't hold it against them that they grew MJ a couple years before it was legal, but can understand why others think that was wrong.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Any links to your opinion at all?

You don’t need links for OPINIONS and/or QUESTIONS. I appreciate your inquiry though.