OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#38

[Trudie]

I know, right? Start out by asking her about those KuhnKuhne pigs, and work your way up! You could tell that she had loved that little farm. Iirc, that's what sparked her to speak up. Comments about the farm.

Exactly! If people could just chill rather than spout off. I’m sure you could have extracted some tidbit from her and maybe, just maybe, crossed a few questions from (guessing) a lengthy list.

 

[Trudie]

I apologize, I misspoke when I implied that GW3 was home-schooled. I do not know if GW3 attended public school, was home-schooled or a combination of both.

...or no school.
I’ve looked but there’s just no info other than grade 7.
Maybe in pre trial more will come out.

 

[Puzzles8]

Around this time.
I think you meant GW4. So difficult to keep everyone straight.

Oops, you are so right I mixed up 3 & 4. Didn't mean to start a rumor!
I think it is clear it is past my bedtime, good night all!

 

[rsd1200]

Exactly! If people could just chill rather than spout off. I’m sure you could have extracted some tidbit from her and maybe, just maybe, crossed a few questions from (guessing) a lengthy list.

Very lengthy!

 

[rsd1200]

I just got really tired of every other post touting Fred as some hard working, intelligent, upstanding citizen. Every time I read a post praising her sterling character I thought of Kenneth R and how he died before he saw his son's killers in jail. I thought of Lenny and Geneva and the anguish in their voices for over 2 years. I believe that is due in large part to Fred's lies to LE. Had she not lied Kenneth R may have gotten that peace he so desperately sought.

Fred may be hard working and she may be intelligent (the jury is out on that one since she didn't have the good sense not to lie to a GJ) but she is not the fine upstanding citizen some people on here are trying to make her out to be. The woman is a liar who stonewalled LE for over 2 years to keep her son out of jail or to keep her name and business out of the news. I haven't yet decided which one means more to her since by all the accounts of some posters on here her business came first.

The other W's in this family who were not arrested are victims also. I think I made that plain a few pages ago.

I too like to try to figure out why people do the things they do and some discussion of their upbringing is warranted in that context.

I do apologize if I have offended anyone but will not apologize for calling Fred out for what she is.
A liar. A criminal.

I may be getting too involved in this case since I seem to care way too much about the victims families. It may be time for a break.

JMO

Raisin, you didn't offend me. I just wanted to clarify my position in all of this. I may not express my emotions toward the victims on a regular basis, but believe me, they are there, or I wouldn't be here. I've got a ton of stuff I should be doing. Not that I had aspirations of solving the case either. The Rs and HHG just seemed like a bunch of folks I might would know. Fun loving, outgoing, liked loud automobiles, a couple of them had a little shady stuff goin' on but for the most part, folks seemed to like them. Even the folks they beat up! You just wonder what would cause a person to go to this extreme? If theorize that G3 had a brain injury, that resulted in anger issues, it may seem like I'm making excuses for him, but I'm not. It just interests me, as to why he didn't have a stop-gate in his brain, but, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, because the likelihood that all four had the same injury, resulting in anger issues, that snowballed into a sophisticated plan to kill their in-laws, is practically nil. Why did none of the four have stop-gates in their brains?

 

[rsd1200]

IMO, G4 displays the most “attitude” in court. An “I don’t care” ‘tude. Hmmmmm. A bit of belligerency , maybe. He is the most vocal in the revenge plots, reportedly. He strikes me as the proverbial chip off the old block.

I've wondered if those two were the main ones and JW and AW were lookout and driver. I may be wrong but JW doesn't strike me as someone who'd have the stomach for it, but G4 strikes me as a little bit smarter version of G3.

 

[Trudie]

I've wondered if those two were the main ones and JW and AW were lookout and driver. I may be wrong but JW doesn't strike me as someone who'd have the stomach for it, but G4 strikes me as a little bit smarter version of G3.

Laughing about 4 being a smarter version of 3, omg. The new, improved GW. Lol. I’ve wondered the same but the indictments have all of them packing pistols & shooting.
Now, if one or more did not shoot, they will vehemently deny their charges, one would think. Since they are separated, if two defenses come out with the same story, we might be able to find truth in them. Since G4 reportedly was MOST vocal about revenge killing, I think your theory is right, regarding him. Fred has defended JW in a few print articles, in the past. Never, AW or 4 didn’t kill anyone, always JW did not. I’m on the fence about AW. She kinda seems like one of the boys, to me.
I think any of the 4 had the ability to stop the plan before it was executed and chose not to. In fact I know any one could have. It’d been simple, stay home, call 911.

Do you think the indictments are intentionally the same (except JW sex charge) only because an informant has advised LE all 4 were in attendance? And that LE may have no earthly idea what actually happened other than 8 people were murdered?

As I mentioned previously, the delay in arrests was the DA’s call. LE had to present their case file to him. He’s the one that decided when there was ample evidence to proceed to trial, issuing the “round em up” order. It would have made no difference how many persons told on them. There had to be evidence, not accusations.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

If that person had big adult record, they would not ask for the juvenile record.

Or that person is rather young. Say about or below JW's age. That's my guess.

ETA: when you think of it, it makes sense to have witnesses of HR's age. Some have a history.

It could be a very general request too. There could be several witnesses. Adult records are already available.

Just to add one it’s bitsy thing
Megaton ever is in thatvjuvie record it’s be pretty damming.

 

[Myland]

Interesting podcast on this case I hope this allowed to post
Blubrry PowerPress Player

 

[Trudie]

Just to add one it’s bitsy thing
Megaton ever is in thatvjuvie record it’s be pretty damming.

What? Sorry. Don’t understand.

 

[Trudie]

Raisin, you didn't offend me. I just wanted to clarify my position in all of this. I may not express my emotions toward the victims on a regular basis, but believe me, they are there, or I wouldn't be here. I've got a ton of stuff I should be doing. Not that I had aspirations of solving the case either. The Rs and HHG just seemed like a bunch of folks I might would know. Fun loving, outgoing, liked loud automobiles, a couple of them had a little shady stuff goin' on but for the most part, folks seemed to like them. Even the folks they beat up! You just wonder what would cause a person to go to this extreme? If theorize that G3 had a brain injury, that resulted in anger issues, it may seem like I'm making excuses for him, but I'm not. It just interests me, as to why he didn't have a stop-gate in his brain, but, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, because the likelihood that all four had the same injury, resulting in anger issues, that snowballed into a sophisticated plan to kill their in-laws, is practically nil. Why did none of the four have stop-gates in their brains?

rsd~I think your last question will never be answered. With every case, there’s the “why” aspect. Not just “why”pertaining to motive but also, “why” could the suspect not help himself. What makes these people not consider a life in prison (or worse) a deterrent? Especially some of the really young suspects over the last few years.
I’m only talking about premeditated murders. Do the perps never think of the consequences? It appears they don’t.

*I don’t get offended either. We’re all allowed to share our thoughts, within the TOS guidelines. No opinion is right/wrong.

 

[rsd1200]

IIRC they purchased the Peterson property in early 2014. Interesting that count 19 & 20 in the indictments start on 7/2014. When did the wives/girlfriends of GW4 & JW move into that house?

GW4 was married in 2012, and his child was born in mid 2013. GW4's marriage was over in Nov 2014 w/the dissolution mailed in Jan. 2015.

HMR and JW were still together in Aug., 2014. I think things started going downhill in Oct/Nov 2014, and by May, 2015, HMR was with CG.

I've thought for awhile, that something happened not long after Aug. 2014. What? I do not know.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Agree, and,

iv) she has also stated that she was named as the Godmother of the newborn. Not S? Could that be only because HMR was so adamant that CG not have custody of the newborn? If they were like sisters, wouldn't she be Godmother to both? Sisters kept with sisters, and all.

I don't think that the Rs saw this coming at all. It seems that everyone was more worried about K and CG.

Very interesting, given this case is centre around HR and a custody dispute. We never learned who was the bf, not that we are really entitled to know.

It's a bit of a slippery ground. Time and mother Justice will bring answers.

She was certainly interested in learning what going on at the Ws. IMO. If the SWAT team was at the door of my friends place, the first thing I would do, i would call to see how they do and hear what they have to say. But that's just me.

Police spokesman wrongly says SWAT present at Pike County raid for 'suspects'

Kendra Rhoden, the daughter of victim Kenneth Rhoden, arrived at the area Friday but left a short time later, after speaking to Adams County Sheriff Kimmy Rogers. She declined further comment when contacted Friday night.

 

[rsd1200]

Laughing about 4 being a smarter version of 3, omg. The new, improved GW. Lol. I’ve wondered the same but the indictments have all of them packing pistols & shooting.
Now, if one or more did not shoot, they will vehemently deny their charges, one would think. Since they are separated, if two defenses come out with the same story, we might be able to find truth in them. Since G4 reportedly was MOST vocal about revenge killing, I think your theory is right, regarding him. Fred has defended JW in a few print articles, in the past. Never, AW or 4 didn’t kill anyone, always JW did not. I’m on the fence about AW. She kinda seems like one of the boys, to me.
I think any of the 4 had the ability to stop the plan before it was executed and chose not to. In fact I know any one could have. It’d been simple, stay home, call 911.

Do you think the indictments are intentionally the same (except JW sex charge) only because an informant has advised LE all 4 were in attendance? And that LE may have no earthly idea what actually happened other than 8 people were murdered?

As I mentioned previously, the delay in arrests was the DA’s call. LE had to present their case file to him. He’s the one that decided when there was ample evidence to proceed to trial, issuing the “round em up” order. It would have made no difference how many persons told on them. There had to be evidence, not accusations.

Yes. I think they know that all four had some part in this and would rather over-charge them, than under-charge them, because, I don't think there's any way anyone can know exactly what happened in those homes that night. By charging them each, if no one fesses up, they're covered. If they find that one sat in the car for pickup and was not armed, they'll be charged, but the the gun charges may be dropped, for example. That might get the DP off the table for them, but, again, IANAL so take that w/a grain of salt.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

What if the confidential source was a phone wiretap?

- "Hi, what's going on? Where are you? Cops are at your place?" - "if we are arrested,...."

Who was the most vocal again? G4? something to think about...

 

[rsd1200]

rsd~I think your last question will never be answered. With every case, there’s the “why” aspect. Not just “why”pertaining to motive but also, “why” could the suspect not help himself. What makes these people not consider a life in prison (or worse) a deterrent? Especially some of the really young suspects over the last few years.
I’m only talking about premeditated murders. Do the perps never think of the consequences? It appears they don’t.

*I don’t get offended either. We’re all allowed to share our thoughts, within the TOS guidelines. No opinion is right/wrong.

BBM
No, they don't consider the consequences. They do not believe, at the time, that they will be caught. Why else would we have repeat offenders? I swear, even if I had no conscience, and wanted to kill someone, there's no way! Just the thought of getting caught and being given LWOP, in a 6X9, would be more than enough to deter me.

 

[Dudly]

Dudley, I’ve seen print articles “the house in Alaska was ready for them”. I can’t find the articles again (of course) but one can interpret the preparedness of the house as LE was ready to welcome them. I just don’t think by “ready” anyone meant the Welcome Wagon (as we know them) stopped by. I think they had a totally different welcoming committee.
They used CB radios on the road. Bet those were monitored.

I think part of the reason they came back was how closely they were watched in Alaska. If the word about them was spread enough, they may have had a really hard time with getting housing and jobs.

 

[Dudly]

Didn’t Ohio prisons halt farming operations a few years ago?
Just thinking ahead as to what “jobs” the 4 might have if they avoid DP.

I don't think they even make license plates any more. We just buy a sticker instead of plates every year. I'm not sure what they do other than food prep and laundry. The last mention I see of prison farms is 2914. I tried a Google search for what work Ohio prisoners do and found nothing basically.

 

[Dudly]

Bettcha these guys aren't good poker players....if you read the subtleties. Pretty easy to figure out "the deal they want for Angela W." Watch the face of the attorney with nice silver hair, grey suit sitting on AW's right, @ 13:20 of video....His "NOD" gives it all away....they are going for "Life with eligible for parole after serving 25 years." The attorney stared straight ahead on Death Penalty, LWOP, and Life w/eligible for parole after 30 years. But, dhaaaang....the "nod" was the tell. Uh, think I'll push my chips "all in" on that guess. (Kind of a no-brainer, too....who wouldn't want the lowest sentence?)

Great close up of RW's large silver bracelet(immediately following the nod)...on left wrist...wonder if she owns an I-watch that doubles as an I-hear? Can you imagine how many of us have probably been recorded without our knowledge, in one form or another? wow.

I like the attorney on the right palmplant and face wipe before the judge comes in. Looks like he's saying what in the hell have I got myself into this time...lol

 

[Dudly]

Bettcha these guys aren't good poker players....if you read the subtleties. Pretty easy to figure out "the deal they want for Angela W." Watch the face of the attorney with nice silver hair, grey suit sitting on AW's right, @ 13:20 of video....His "NOD" gives it all away....they are going for "Life with eligible for parole after serving 25 years." The attorney stared straight ahead on Death Penalty, LWOP, and Life w/eligible for parole after 30 years. But, dhaaaang....the "nod" was the tell. Uh, think I'll push my chips "all in" on that guess. (Kind of a no-brainer, too....who wouldn't want the lowest sentence?)

Great close up of RW's large silver bracelet(immediately following the nod)...on left wrist...wonder if she owns an I-watch that doubles as an I-hear? Can you imagine how many of us have probably been recorded without our knowledge, in one form or another? wow.

Apple watches have been used to track people and used to prove innocence and guilt. Wouldn't it be interesting to know an Apple watch shows them going to all four houses that night?