OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#38

[Charliegizmo49]

They didn't have FBI to whisk folks away from Piketon, who had tips. Y'all all writing books?

You don’t think the FBI wasn’t consulted or did some evidence analysis?

 

[rsd1200]

I think although we may not know the specific evidence, LE and everyone involved have a good idea the evidence is overwhelming. I believe Reader and DEWine took their time, assembled the best team nationwide, and did every single thing to the letter of the law. I think the supporting facts to the primary evidence will have even more supporting evidence.

934 days is a lot of man hours. And I think at some point someone came forward that provided lead after lead. And LE followed each until they had every lead answered.

I believe LE WAS DETERMINED BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE THE MAGNITUDE of hillbilly justice. And I don’t like the term. It’s the “Not in my community anymore”.

And IMO. There will be more crimes solved. Maybe not directly, but I think others might come forward with information re: other murders and unsolved serious crimes.

I do agree with this, and ftr, I'm a proud Redneck, Hillbilly, Appalachian American.

 

[Satchie]

Canada would have been a wiser choice because had they stopped, it is extremely rare for extradition to the US without prosecutors removing the death penalty. Canada refuses to extradite on about any charge with the death penalty attached.

New York has done it but I don’t recall other states who were successful. New York manipulated and brought new charges that had new death penalty consequences. Even in the very worst of crimes.

They wouldn't have been able to work in Canada. It's quite hard for Americans to immigrate, unless you buy a business.

 

[rsd1200]

You don’t think the FBI wasn’t consulted or did some evidence analysis?

I didn't say that.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I think so too, if an offer is extended. And, a plea would certainly benefit the state.
Either way, if guilty, it’s a death sentence. LWOP might give them a few more years existence.
Ahhh, how nice it’d be too see the expressions of the 4 once they are advised of the evidence against them.
I’m curious if they are meeting with their respective legal team on a daily basis or if it’s too early in the game.

They have a pretty fair idea. Their attorneys have an even better idea. And discovery is going to slam each defense team including the grannies.

Nope I have no doubt at all after appearing in front of a grand jury and the content and context of each question, each one of them knows.

Writing a check with a lot of zeros is not going to unlock those jail doors or remove the electronic monitoring anklets. FW May die with hers on.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

They wouldn't have been able to work in Canada. It's quite hard for Americans to immigrate, unless you buy a business.

No it’s easy. And yes you can work. You just have to work for a US company to begin with. They were mechanics. Any small community can use one. The most important factor is providing a talent, service and be able to improve a community. Investment in a community is also a factor so you are absolutely correct that to buy a garage in a small area say from a retiring Canadian would have been smart. Say anywhere on the ALCAN Highway or in British Columbia or the Yukon. You’d probably be as surprised how many immigrant owned businesses there are that have become so in the last 25 years.

I just think they were counting on the trouble NOT following them to Nikiski. It did and their use of the church and militia friends didn’t help. Those people like their privacy and do not like being under LE scrutiny.

 

[Trudie]

They didn't have FBI to whisk folks away from Piketon, who had tips. Y'all all writing books?

Ask an officer in any small town how the situation is handled. It’s not going to be on home turf.
Having allegedly killed 8, there’d be no reason to think they would hesitate to make it nine or......

 

[Trudie]

Note I said if I lived there, my feelings of even making the call may have been different.

Gotcha!

 

[Trudie]

Not asking about your bias. Asking if you know them. A lot of people are being asked if they know them, for some reason. You'd mentioned that AW has always had "dark thoughts but never acted on them", a few pages back. That sounded kinda like personal knowledge to me. J.s.

Yes I am curious about the “dark thoughts”. I’ve not heard this before.

 

[rsd1200]

Ask an officer in any small town how the situation is handled. It’s not going to be on home turf.
Having allegedly killed 8, there’d be no reason to think they would hesitate to make it nine or......

I live in small town, Appalachia , USA. I've been in convos with the secret service. They came here, they talked to us, in LE's office, discreetly, and they left. The Feds don't announce when they come to town. They don't whisk you away to some safe home either. Not for a tip.

 

[Dudly]

No it’s easy. And yes you can work. You just have to work for a US company to begin with. They were mechanics. Any small community can use one. The most important factor is providing a talent, service and be able to improve a community. Investment in a community is also a factor so you are absolutely correct that to buy a garage in a small area say from a retiring Canadian would have been smart. Say anywhere on the ALCAN Highway or in British Columbia or the Yukon. You’d probably be as surprised how many immigrant owned businesses there are that have become so in the last 25 years.

I just think they were counting on the trouble NOT following them to Nikiski. It did and their use of the church and militia friends didn’t help. Those people like their privacy and do not like being under LE scrutiny.

Why is a militia being brought up all the time. Where is there proof they were in contact with any militia?

 

[Satchie]

No it’s easy. And yes you can work. You just have to work for a US company to begin with. They were mechanics. Any small community can use one. The most important factor is providing a talent, service and be able to improve a community. Investment in a community is also a factor so you are absolutely correct that to buy a garage in a small area say from a retiring Canadian would have been smart. Say anywhere on the ALCAN Highway or in British Columbia or the Yukon. You’d probably be as surprised how many immigrant owned businesses there are that have become so in the last 25 years.

I just think they were counting on the trouble NOT following them to Nikiski. It did and their use of the church and militia friends didn’t help. Those people like their privacy and do not like being under LE scrutiny.

If companies can't find skilled workers they can apply to hire foreign workers. But you have to interview and apply with a recruiter while you're living in the US, you have to be kind of saavy with bureaucracy, I don't get the impression the W's were up to that.

 

[Dudly]

I live in small town, Appalachia , USA. I've been in convos with the secret service. They came here, they talked to us, in LE's office, discreetly, and they left. The Feds don't announce when they come to town. They don't whisk you away to some safe home either. Not for a tip.

They just called me when there were some questions that needed answered...

 

[Satchie]

I just think they were counting on the trouble NOT following them to Nikiski. It did and their use of the church and militia friends didn’t help. Those people like their privacy and do not like being under LE scrutiny.

Yes, they could run but they couldn't hide. Especially since LE made that rather extraordinary announcement about them being under 'laser focus'.

 

[Betty P]

I do agree with this, and ftr, I'm a proud Redneck, Hillbilly, Appalachian American.

From past news media reports, FBI only assisted with evidence analysis. Otherwise, they were kept at arm's length from the investigation.

JMO, prosecutors will have to reveal evidence against the defendants. It's the law. I can't envision the W's defense attorneys allowing them to avoid "discovery". If any of the defendants accept a plea bargain, it's possible some of the evidence will be kept hidden, but there's really no justification for keeping everything secret. It's not as if the evidence in these murder cases is a threat to national security or anything. The only exception might be identities of witnesses who came forward.

That said, this case is being tried in Ohio, and we've always joked that many Ohio pols think the US Constitution doesn't apply here.

 

[Trudie]

I live in small town, Appalachia , USA. I've been in convos with the secret service. They came here, they talked to us, in LE's office, discreetly, and they left. The Feds don't announce when they come to town. They don't whisk you away to some safe home either. Not for a tip.

I wasn’t implying they whisk an informant away. But, I know for a fact they will set up a meeting place away from prying eyes. It could be in a parking lot, the next town over, maybe a police department in a dif county, a hotel room, an office suite or??? They simply will not risk another life by asking an informant to come to local headquarters. Especially in the course of such a heinous crime.

Now, if LE is asking for public tips regarding a minor offense, it’s not problematic for an informant to be seen at the SO. With this case the news cameras would have captured potential witnesses/informants.

 

[Trudie]

Yes, they could run but they couldn't hide. Especially since LE made that rather extraordinary announcement about them being under 'laser focus'.

I so wish I could find the articles stating “authorities were ready for them, in Alaska” & another “their Alaskan home was ready for them”. Not surprising.

Anyone think they cherished the great outdoors because they could talk w/o concerns of being bugged?

 

[Trudie]

From past news media reports, FBI only assisted with evidence analysis. Otherwise, they were kept at arm's length from the investigation.

JMO, prosecutors will have to reveal evidence against the defendants. It's the law. I can't envision the W's defense attorneys allowing them to avoid "discovery". If any of the defendants accept a plea bargain, it's possible some of the evidence will be kept hidden, but there's really no justification for keeping everything secret. It's not as if the evidence in these murder cases is a threat to national security or anything. The only exception might be identities of witnesses who came forward.

That said, this case is being tried in Ohio, and we've always joked that many Ohio pols think the US Constitution doesn't apply here.

Betty, you’re so up to speed on this case, if plea bargains are offered, do you think any will accept? TIA

 

[Trudie]

I’d like to thank everyone that has compiled the many links & established the timeline. I live close to the Piketon area & have followed this since day one. Unfortunately, my schedule doesn’t allow me 24/7 access to researching documents.

I hope, since this case isn’t ending anytime soon, we can all respect each other’s opinions. We’ve all lived different experiences & those experiences foster our beliefs & opinions.

Even if we disagree, it’s always interesting to read the perspective of all wishing to discuss the case.

It would be a shame to have our discussions halted due to dissension amongst us, as has happened on other threads.

Thanks again to ALL of you that have devoted so much time to the organization of this case. You did an amazing job!

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Hey. In Kenai we lived in a very nice 2 story 4 bedroom cedar home. Until it burned.

Not all Alaskans live off the grid and remember every tv show except ALASKA STATE TROOPERS is embellished and a oil tanker full of drama added.

The Waggies lived in a trailer with a 1,500 sq foot add on. They got good paying work and had it easy. Gas heat, water and a pretty comfortable home.

I believe they found far to much scrutiny after they settled in and people didn’t welcome them as they normally would have. It takes people helping and yes teaching you what to do and what’s a waste of time.

We had that when we moved in 1980. They did not because LE was all over their every move.

Canada would have been a wiser choice because had they stopped, it is extremely rare for extradition to the US without prosecutors removing the death penalty. Canada refuses to extradite on about any charge with the death penalty attached.

New York has done it but I don’t recall other states who were successful. New York manipulated and brought new charges that had new death penalty consequences. Even in the very worst of crimes.

My apologies Charlie. I have been to Alaska and to Kenai. It is very lovely there with some beautiful homes. I would go back in a heartbeat. To visit. But the cost of living there is about 3 times what it is in the lower 48. Yes you get high paying jobs there, but most of those jobs in the Kenai Peninsula are fishing related right? And they are hard hard work. Can you see the 4W's with their checkered work history getting anything other than a manual labor job in the fishing industry there?

I would assume that Alaska has it's own requirements for truck drivers. They would have to be trained to drive on ice and heavy snow correct? And that training could take some time. Even trained, driving a semi there is very dangerous work.

So I think with the high cost of living, and the extremely hard work and the boys maybe not being able to work in their profession as truck drivers, that dream turned to a nightmare very quickly.

I will tell you what an elderly man who had lived in Seward his whole life told us about living in Alaska. He said "If you want to move to Alaska you better be prepared to work hard because those elk are not going to walk into your house and lay down on your table. Neither are the fish."

But I loved every minute I spent in AK including a hair raising trip to the top of Denali.

JMO