OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#39

[Trudie]

Could that be relative to AW & JW’s both giving contradictory statements in media interviews?

Bet she wanted to whip his butt when this happened.


“Did you not listen to what I’ve been telling you, you’re gonna get us arrested.” I can hear her now.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Wasn't sure this was confirmed before. It appears that suspects actually made the silencers themselves as opposed to purchasing, or borrowing from someone else.
Are metal "fittings & pipe fabrication equipment/welders,etc" common items one would find on a large working horse farm? Did FW allow access to W4 family members to all her barns and workshops?
"That’s when authorities confirmed the existence of a homemade silencer they say was built by the suspects."
Homemade silencer last piece of evidence in Pike County murder case

Pipe fabrication is the only thing we didn’t have on the farm.

I haven't heard anything, and unless it was after 5pm then it is definitely a horrible rumor. Facebook I assume?

It was another incident at the jail picked up by social media and got out of hand very fast. Sorry. I’m very careful with all the accusations flying that’s why I included it as a rumor.

 

[rsd1200]

Thank you! That’s what I’ve been doing wrong. I’ve been referencing the other Pike Co website.

Jumping off ya'll's post, and AW's data, from the link, at pikecountycpcourt.org, I noticed the ones re; mitigating factors;

Example:

12/14/2018 (29) DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO EXCLUDE VENIREPERSONS WHO CANNOT FAIRLY CONSIDER MITIGATING EVIDENCE AND/OR WHO WOULD AUTOMATICALLY VOTE FOR DEATH UPON A FINDING OF GUILT IN THE CULPABILITY PHASE FILED

He is asking that jury panel exclude those who won't consider mitigating evidence. Here is an interesting article about Mitigating Circumstances and the DP. There are questions at the end of the article.

If anyone reads the article, would you mind sharing your thoughts about the last question, re; Aileen Wuornos's case? and/or any thoughts on the other questions would be great too.

Mitigation in Capital Cases | Capital Punishment in Context

 

[rsd1200]

Well emphasis is important to o


https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...amily-arrested-39.405455/reply?quote=14644721
You are absolutely correct. I should probably perfect the use of slangs and emogees.
Thank you for being a perfect example of internet speak. I have been skoooled. This is how I speak. I guess it is just my creative personality who can not resist the bolds, italics, underlining, capitalization, script size, emogees. It is just so much fun to use them. I feel like a robot typing this way. Yuck.

I type on here like I think/speak too. I use a lot of commas because I try to make it read like it sounds in my head. Intonation, and, as you said, emphasis, are important, and can be easy to misunderstand w/only text to read, and no vocal tones, and facial expressions. I would love to have more emojis! I think they are helpful.

 

[Satchie]

Wasn't sure this was confirmed before. It appears that suspects actually made the silencers themselves as opposed to purchasing, or borrowing from someone else.
Are metal "fittings & pipe fabrication equipment/welders,etc" common items one would find on a large working horse farm? Did FW allow access to W4 family members to all her barns and workshops?
"That’s when authorities confirmed the existence of a homemade silencer they say was built by the suspects."
Homemade silencer last piece of evidence in Pike County murder case
eta, would love to view video cam of JW &G4 arrest. Is there a chance? I wonder if the had one of those pick-ups with a gun rack across the back window?
Buying The Right Truck Gun Rack - Truck Bed Racks

I had a niggling thing bothering me about silencers and your post made me track it down. It's from a magazine article about the murders published last summer, but I think I read it more recently:

"Joe, who works as a mechanist, said investigators actually paid him a visit. They’d heard he’d helped a friend make some silencers, which he had, and which his friend is legally registered to do."
Eight unsolved murders in Pike County, Ohio

 

[rsd1200]

Not criticizing, (and my comments are not related to the photographer at all).

But does anyone else get the impression the photos look "off", a bit staged perhaps?

I see a very large structure but never more than a handful of "congregants" (from the group home?) Wouldn't there be more congregants in the pews on "picture day"? Could it have been just be an "illusion" for the tax break (503c)? JMO

I think they are from the group home too. I don't believe there are many there at the home. I think the photographer's selfie is missing, there is a new video on there of a dog with Christmas lights on its' head. They have a congregation. Several people, and a pastor, they have VBS, too. It's a real church.

 

[IQuestion]

I had a niggling thing bothering me about silencers and your post made me track it down. It's from a magazine article about the murders published last summer, but I think I read it more recently:Eight unsolved murders in Pike County, Ohio

Great recall SATCHIE
Yes, I recall that article, especially the "legally registered to do" part. So, that is why I think ATF was involved from the git-go:
According to the ATF, silencer and other Title 2 firearm manufacturers must submit an application for the making and registering of a new firearm, pay a $200 manufacture tax per firearm and receive ATF approval before the creation of such a weapon. Individuals desiring to make a silencer must meet these conditions and obtain permission to act as a Title 2 firearm manufacturer beforehand.
Regulations for Making a Silencer
Bullets fired from a silencer can be very different in appearance than ones that are not. Detective 101 would have me asking ATF, "Who in the area is registered to manufacture a silencer."

 

[Trudie]

Jumping off ya'll's post, and AW's data, from the link, at pikecountycpcourt.org, I noticed the ones re; mitigating factors;

Example:



He is asking that jury panel exclude those who won't consider mitigating evidence. Here is an interesting article about Mitigating Circumstances and the DP. There are questions at the end of the article.

If anyone reads the article, would you mind sharing your thoughts about the last question, re; Aileen Wuornos's case? and/or any thoughts on the other questions would be great too.

Mitigation in Capital Cases | Capital Punishment in Context

I’m not too much for mitigating circumstances. Everyone has mitigating factors in their background. Unless someone is seriously challenged, they know right from wrong. Our past is not an excuse for our future.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Pipe fabrication is the only thing we didn’t have on the farm.



It was another incident at the jail picked up by social media and got out of hand very fast. Sorry. I’m very careful with all the accusations flying that’s why I included it as a rumor.

No problem. SM can be good and informative for the most part, it's when rumors start flying that makes it bad. No need to apologize, as you had concern and that's a good thing.

 

[Trudie]

It always irks me to see a defendant in a DP murder trial take a LWOP deal. They obviously wish to live yet never considered their victim mighta liked the same opp’.

Such irony.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Jumping off ya'll's post, and AW's data, from the link, at pikecountycpcourt.org, I noticed the ones re; mitigating factors;

Example:



He is asking that jury panel exclude those who won't consider mitigating evidence. Here is an interesting article about Mitigating Circumstances and the DP. There are questions at the end of the article.

If anyone reads the article, would you mind sharing your thoughts about the last question, re; Aileen Wuornos's case? and/or any thoughts on the other questions would be great too.

Mitigation in Capital Cases | Capital Punishment in Context

Would I as a juror have considered her mitigating factors?.. Yes, she had a horrible childhood.

Would I have elected to sentence her to death?.. Yes, she showed zero remorse and actually said she would kill again if given the opportunity.

 

[Trudie]

Jumping off ya'll's post, and AW's data, from the link, at pikecountycpcourt.org, I noticed the ones re; mitigating factors;

Example:



He is asking that jury panel exclude those who won't consider mitigating evidence. Here is an interesting article about Mitigating Circumstances and the DP. There are questions at the end of the article.

If anyone reads the article, would you mind sharing your thoughts about the last question, re; Aileen Wuornos's case? and/or any thoughts on the other questions would be great too.

Mitigation in Capital Cases | Capital Punishment in Context

I bet his requests are standard with every DP case.

 

[Trudie]

Should any of the 4 elect to go for jury trial, how far from P county do you think the trial will be held?

Moving to a dif’ county (venue) can pose a burden with the docket. I’m sure someone is already putting together a list of possible locations.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Great recall SATCHIE
Yes, I recall that article, especially the "legally registered to do" part. So, that is why I think ATF was involved from the git-go:
According to the ATF, silencer and other Title 2 firearm manufacturers must submit an application for the making and registering of a new firearm, pay a $200 manufacture tax per firearm and receive ATF approval before the creation of such a weapon. Individuals desiring to make a silencer must meet these conditions and obtain permission to act as a Title 2 firearm manufacturer beforehand.
Regulations for Making a Silencer
Bullets fired from a silencer can be very different in appearance than ones that are not. Detective 101 would have me asking ATF, "Who in the area is registered to manufacture a silencer."

But those charges would have to befil d in Federal District Court correct. So far we’ve heard no Federal charges.

And it seems as though after all this time someone would have had to lead LE to the suppressor

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I type on here like I think/speak too. I use a lot of commas because I try to make it read like it sounds in my head. Intonation, and, as you said, emphasis, are important, and can be easy to misunderstand w/only text to read, and no vocal tones, and facial expressions. I would love to have more emojis! I think they are helpful.

We used to have a kazillion emojis on here (and I used one half of those kazillion) but now we are limited... sigh, the good old days. Hint, hint Tricia.

 

[rsd1200]

It’s never been stated FW partipiated (or not) in the revenge convo, correct? Only that it took place in her home with her in attendance (I picture them clustered around the kitchen table).

My point: if, during her GJ appearance she was asked if such a convo took place, she likely denied it. Why? Two reasons. IMO. One, she thought her home secure. Because she limited access to family or well trusted persons. Two, because she assumed her family to be waaaaaay up the **** creek & didn’t want to add to their problems.

I found these story lines interesting. Albeit, lengthy.
My child, the murderer

Good article. Mom's hold out that hope. Steven's Mom;

My sister told me he had been found guilty. I did think he'd walk away, but there was always a big doubt in the back of my mind – what if he's not innocent?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Should any of the 4 elect to go for jury trial, how far from P county do you think the trial will be held?

Moving to a dif’ county (venue) can pose a burden with the docket. I’m sure someone is already putting together a list of possible locations.

JMO, but I would say Columbus or Cincinnati. Maybe Chillicothe?

 

[Trudie]

Good article. Mom's hold out that hope. Steven's Mom;

And grandma’s. No doubt, it’s a heart breaking situation for any parent to be in.
A long time ago, I read an article by a mom of a convicted murderer. She’s serving time with him, in her mind. He not only took the life of his victim, but his mom’s, too. She no longer celebrates bdays, Tksgvg, Xmas, she said she simply can not celebrate. Other than work, she rarely leaves home.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Jumping off ya'll's post, and AW's data, from the link, at pikecountycpcourt.org, I noticed the ones re; mitigating factors;

Example:



He is asking that jury panel exclude those who won't consider mitigating evidence. Here is an interesting article about Mitigating Circumstances and the DP. There are questions at the end of the article.

If anyone reads the article, would you mind sharing your thoughts about the last question, re; Aileen Wuornos's case? and/or any thoughts on the other questions would be great too.

Mitigation in Capital Cases | Capital Punishment in Context

You know me, haha, I’ll give my thoughts:

First, Aileen’s case is one that has disturbed me for a long time. It’s clear to me from watching both documentaries about Aileen, that she was deeply disturbed and deeply traumatized. In no way do I condone what she did, however the woman needed help long before becoming a serial killer and she was failed.

My answers to a few of the questions (I apologize for the length in advance)

• Why might jurors dismiss mitigating factors such as childhood abuse or alcoholism? People can’t relate to what they don’t understand. Without knowledge and research showing the harm and deep effects of childhood abuse and/or alcoholism, both are topics still brushed aside from those that are uninformed. IMO, a lot of people doubt when an adult says they were abused as a child. And alcoholism, well unless you’ve loved someone who is or was an alcoholic, you really have no clue the effects. Those effects run deep.
• Some people argue that many people who have horrible childhoods nonetheless do not become criminals. How would you respond to this argument? Do you think this kind of information is irrelevant to the jury’s decision? I’d respond by saying just because they don’t alwaus become criminals doesn’t discount a poor childhood nor does it mean the person doesn’t struggle in other areas of life, wherever it be relationships, addiction, gambling, etc.
• If you had been a juror in Aileen Wuornos's case, would you have found her background to be a mitigating factor? If so, would you have sentenced her to death? I would have found Aileen’s background to be a mitigating factor. Not only did she have a diagnosed personality disorder, she had repeated traumas, both emotional and physical, from an early age and throughout her life. We only become what we know. Someone such as Aileen, who was a murderer, was also a victim herself. It doesn’t justify what she did but knowing her life and traumas makes her actions more understandable. There is a why for every action. I also would not have sentenced her to death. The DP is not something I’m much of a supporter of, but regardless of that and being open minded about the DP as a juror, there’s no way I could have sentenced her to death feeling she was a victim in life herself along with being mentally unstable. All JMO.

 

[Trudie]

JMO, but I would say Columbus or Cincinnati. Maybe Chillicothe?

I was thinking Columbus. All three are possibilities. Good possibilities.