OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

[Trudie]

I see your point but the indictment states the offense took place in the state of Ohio. Wouldn't that stolen cable service have shut down when they moved to Alaska?

I know what you mean but don’t know the answer. Did they forget to unhook? I’m not even sure of the specifics to the charges.

 

[Trudie]

Services could be paying your utility bills out of someone else's account. Like automatic billing of a cell phone or internet provider out of an account that is not yours.

JMo

I’d think “obtaining services” is free TV or internet access.
If that’s a specific charge or just a portion of the statute, idk.

MOO

If one or more is in fact guilty of murder, idk how much importance might be placed on “spy” like charges. One LWOP or death sentence pretty much encompasses all, imo. A 743 year prison sentence means nothing, essentially. Moo

 

[pepper 34]

Side Note:
I read a thread (now deleted) that was just about the faked Facebook accounts of HR. A few accounts were opened in her name after the murders and they were made to look like they were opened by her but they were discovered, obviously, and erased.

Point is, even though I'm sure the Wags didn't do this as they were much more sophisticated hackers, it's still very weird so just thought I'd mention it.

One of those accounts was especially weird, imo, and obviously not created by Hanna because it was created, iirc, the day on or after her murder. I actually called the tip line about it because I was naive to the whacky ways of the social media world of trolls and other psychological oddballs that would, for reasons known only to them, want to create such a page. I was embarrassed to report it and told them I was sorry if it was wasting their time; but I wanted to report it anyway. At the time I found the start date of the new Hanna page especially strange.. to even think of doing that for whatever reason, is beyond my comprehension.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I’d think “obtaining services” is free TV or internet access.
If that’s a specific charge or just a portion of the statute, idk.

MOO

If one or more is in fact guilty of murder, idk how much importance might be placed on “spy” like charges. One LWOP or death sentence pretty much encompasses all, imo. A 743 year prison sentence means nothing, essentially. Moo

Could getting the password to someone's router be considered obtaining services? Obtaining Netflix, Hulu or a hundred other services by billing to someone else's account? Could that be considered obtaining services? There could be so many things that obtaining services could mean.

JMO

 

[Gracie55]

Could getting the password to someone's router be considered obtaining services? Obtaining Netflix, Hulu or a hundred other services by billing to someone else's account? Could that be considered obtaining services? There could be so many things that obtaining services could mean.

JMO

Using somebody else's account/equipment to do their cyber snooping thinking they wouldn't be detected? Maybe at the nursing home or however you'd describe it that belonged to FW? They'd probably need to tie the crime to a computer to a W on paper maybe?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

In the aerial pics of the back of DR's house, a homemade wooden ladder is seen under the satellite dish. I've always wondered if the killers brought that ladder, or at least used it, maybe to disable wifi before beginning. But then I've also considered the killers could have sent messages, on the victim's accounts, after the victims were dead.

Being a rural location, I doubt any of the crime scenes had cable service.

HughesNet.

 

[Cool Cats]

One of those accounts was especially weird, imo, and obviously not created by Hanna because it was created, iirc, the day on or after her murder. I actually called the tip line about it because I was naive to the whacky ways of the social media world of trolls and other psychological oddballs that would, for reasons known only to them, want to create such a page. I was embarrassed to report it and told them I was sorry if it was wasting their time; but I wanted to report it anyway. At the time I found the start date of the new Hanna page especially strange.. to even think of doing that for whatever reason, is beyond my comprehension.

Wow Pepper! I'm glad you reported it. Never be embarrassed over doing the right thing. Hacking is something they were looking at so it's relevant.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

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[rigsby2]

Agree. Also think the spying that LE says began in 2014 was probably Jake W hacking her computer/cell phone and social media accounts. He probably became very possessive and controlling over Hanna. If he was out on the road driving his truck, as he claims, he may have been paranoid about her activities while he was gone, thus the hacking and spying. JMO, Jake often speaks half-truths. His claims that he quit his job because HMR was upset that he was gone on the road all the time are probably the opposite. He was the one obsessing, becoming jealous.

Something happened around that time that made her end the relationship and move back home. She was maturing, craving independence and probably felt confident enough break up. Just speculation on my part, but the spying/hacking might have come to the attention of her mom Dana, who demanded she leave the Wagners and come home. It could have also been some escalating harassment and emotional or physical abuse from Jake, too. Dana probably wouldn't have tolerated that, JMO. She wanted her back home, finishing school, getting on with a more normal life.

BBM

I remember a Rhoden family member saying Jake was abusive and I finally found one of the articles with the quote. (IMO he doesn't speak half-truths, he's just a flat-out narcissistic liar.)

At some point, the families had a falling-out. Rhoden relatives have told The Enquirer Jake Wagner was abusive to Hanna Rhoden, the couple split up, and the subsequent custody battle had been acrimonious. Wagner family members disputed that characterization and said the custody arrangements was amicable.

Experts description of the classic domestic abuse situation and escalation....

It is absolutely common in domestic violence that if somebody, an abuser, loses control over his victim and his children, then he will do whatever he can to regain that control
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...violence-massacre-boggles-experts/2015577002/
Pike County massacre: Experts struggle to describe how a child-custody dispute left 8 dead

 

[Trudie]

A local murder case I follow, is going to trial in March or April. One victim, one suspect. It’s been three years. An arrest was made almost immediately.
It made me ponder how long this case will truly go on before the W’s start making deals. How many years? Just how long can they tolerate county lock up v prison? That’s what I think it will come down to.

MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

A local murder case I follow, is going to trial in March or April. One victim, one suspect. It’s been three years. An arrest was made almost immediately.
It made me ponder how long this case will truly go on before the W’s start making deals. How many years? Just how long can they tolerate county lock up v prison? That’s what I think it will come down to.

MOO

My 2 cents. Because there are multiple victims and this is an extremely high profile unique one-off case, and because the public would never tolerate it and it would hurt the prosecutor's career, I don't see any plea deals other than life W/O parole. And even then the defendant would be required to roll on the others and finger the mastermind.

Does anyone have the link where George 3's attorney says he is the mastermind? Why on earth would his attorney say this? Doesn't play well for potential jurors.

And (2 cents) George 4 is especially hating jail. I'll wager his attorney advised him against asking for bail but I can picture George pressuring his attorney to ask for it which his attorney did, unlike with the other 3. I don't see him agreeing to a plea of life W/O parole.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

My 2 cents. Because there are multiple victims and this is an extremely high profile unique one-off case, and because the public would never tolerate it and it would hurt the prosecutor's career, I don't see any plea deals other than life W/O parole. And even then the defendant would be required to roll on the others and finger the mastermind.

Does anyone have the link where George 3's attorney says he is the mastermind? Why on earth would his attorney say this? Doesn't play well for potential jurors.

And (2 cents) George 4 is especially hating jail. I'll wager his attorney advised him against asking for bail but I can picture George pressuring his attorney to ask for it which his attorney did, unlike with the other 3. I don't see him agreeing to a plea of life W/O parole.

My pick for who will roll first is George. He has the least invested in it. It wasn't his ex girlfriend, his ex in laws or his child.

He also has a young son who we assume is with his ex-wife. There is something that worries George about his ex-wife getting custody of the boy. He requested a mental exam of her when she filed to rearrange custody. IMO that is highly unusual for a father to request a mental exam of the mother when she files for custody of her child. So I think he is worried about something in connection with his son based on that.
JMO

 

[Myland]

Another Pike County office under investigation for questionable spending, auditor says
Wonder if Wagners behind this one too

 

[Trudie]

My 2 cents. Because there are multiple victims and this is an extremely high profile unique one-off case, and because the public would never tolerate it and it would hurt the prosecutor's career, I don't see any plea deals other than life W/O parole. And even then the defendant would be required to roll on the others and finger the mastermind.

Does anyone have the link where George 3's attorney says he is the mastermind? Why on earth would his attorney say this? Doesn't play well for potential jurors.

And (2 cents) George 4 is especially hating jail. I'll wager his attorney advised him against asking for bail but I can picture George pressuring his attorney to ask for it which his attorney did, unlike with the other 3. I don't see him agreeing to a plea of life W/O parole.

In think they might all ”hate” jail, equally.
I didn’t hear #3 s attorney refer to him as the mastermind.

Sentencing | Death Penalty Information Center
Interesting facts about DP cases ^^^^^^ on the national level.

Moo

 

[Tiff23fr]

My 2 cents. Because there are multiple victims and this is an extremely high profile unique one-off case, and because the public would never tolerate it and it would hurt the prosecutor's career, I don't see any plea deals other than life W/O parole. And even then the defendant would be required to roll on the others and finger the mastermind.

Does anyone have the link where George 3's attorney says he is the mastermind? Why on earth would his attorney say this? Doesn't play well for potential jurors.

And (2 cents) George 4 is especially hating jail. I'll wager his attorney advised him against asking for bail but I can picture George pressuring his attorney to ask for it which his attorney did, unlike with the other 3. I don't see him agreeing to a plea of life W/O parole.

Collins said investigators have labeled his client the mastermind of the murder plot but said Wagner has a seventh-grade education and no serious criminal history.

Defense attorney pushes to move Rhoden family murder trial

 

[Trudie]

Collins said investigators have labeled his client the mastermind of the murder plot but said Wagner has a seventh-grade education and no serious criminal history.

Defense attorney pushes to move Rhoden family murder trial

Yes, this. But, I thought the other poster meant #3s attorney labeled him the MM.
tysm

 

[Tiff23fr]

Yes, this. But, I thought the other poster meant #3s attorney labeled him the MM.
tysm

I think Collins is George III's attorney. I would need to check to be sure.

 

[Trudie]

My 2 cents. Because there are multiple victims and this is an extremely high profile unique one-off case, and because the public would never tolerate it and it would hurt the prosecutor's career, I don't see any plea deals other than life W/O parole. And even then the defendant would be required to roll on the others and finger the mastermind.

Does anyone have the link where George 3's attorney says he is the mastermind? Why on earth would his attorney say this? Doesn't play well for potential jurors.

And (2 cents) George 4 is especially hating jail. I'll wager his attorney advised him against asking for bail but I can picture George pressuring his attorney to ask for it which his attorney did, unlike with the other 3. I don't see him agreeing to a plea of life W/O parole.

Remember, G4 was the most vocal regarding “revenge” talk, according to the prosecutor. Hmmmmmm. Why is this? Moo

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, this. But, I thought the other poster meant #3s attorney labeled him the MM.
tysm

 

[Tiff23fr]

George 3 is Billy. George 4 is the youngest George. Confusing. Maybe I should call them George the dad and George the son.

Back to your question, I think he wanted to get the 7th grade education piece out. Along the lines of trying to imply he wouldn't be intelligent enough.