OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#42

[NoNameNoSlogan]

How much did an attorney charge him to file a few papers? Did he have to prove he was her father? I don't see it being an expensive court filing even with what attorneys charge. He was the surviving parent and he would get custody. I'd think it just took a couple signatures to get that done. I could be wrong. But if his cards were nearly maxed out already, he may have had to do that to get it done. Something does not sound right about all that...

I apologize if this was mentioned and I overlooked it. When the Go-Fund me was first set up, I personally saw a comment from Kendra R. She was concerned, and asked Jake "I thought you already had custody of Suds" Jake replied he did, and was just finishing up some legalities (Not his direct quote). Idk if we're allowed to post screenshots, but I might still have it. That always struck me as odd, and is around the time I started sleuthing his Facebook, paying closer attention. Like dying his hair, and him being asked by friends about it. That's when I personally started having uneasy feelings. As much as I didn't want to think so, right then and there I felt this was partly over custody, friendships soured, and jealousy. At this point Leonard had mention to the news about custody. This was when he said if they didn't release his sons truck, he was going to start talking. (I always wondered why they towed the blue car from Kenneth's as well) Leonard had already stated there had been a problem 2 weeks before, and cops had been called for problems. He was so frustrated. I now understand why he said " if they can live with it, so can I". Never made sense, now I get it. Especially watching his interview at James' bond hearing. Leonard said in that interview, when asked if he thought Jake was involved, he said Jake used to come to his house all the time, and now he wouldn't even bring his granddaughter over for her presents. Same interview where he states the cops told his said he failed his lie detector test, and texts being sent between Jake and James.

IMO and JMO, there's a difference in not knowing how to explain death to a young child, but completely isolating them from the entire maternal family. I had got curious about the other son gaining custody of his son as well. Looked into it, and the entire process of his custody battle is a whole other interesting tale.

Apologies for the long reply. And if I need to add those links, please let me know and I'll try to do so.

 

[Betty P]

I would think if KR2 spent time with HR that day and was going to spend the night with her, HR probably mentioned if JW was picking S up that night or already had her from days before.

Yes, my thoughts, too. KR2 probably knows when JW picked up Sophia. Who were the people who had the most interactions with Hanna between the time she came home from the hospital and her tragic death? KR2 was arranging to come spend the night. Did anyone else mention dropping by for a visit? Who all was in Dana Rhoden's house in the 24-48 hrs before the murders?

 

[Jayejayehilltop]

Thanks. Ok, I don’t doubt your experiences. Not trying to start an argument.

I’ve used Notarys often in Ohio, but always at a bank. They have always kept a log. Maybe banks are more stringent.
Did you have to report the fees?

In reading all the State of Ohio info, FAQ’s it is confusing and unclear.
Here is my reason for the post. Again, I’m not trying to start an argument- It does appear as if the journal may NOT be mandatory.
Some type of record keeping is alluded to.

“Every Ohio notary needs a notary record book to record every notarial act he or she performs.
( A notary record book is also referred to as a “journal of notarial acts” or a “notary journal.”)
The entries you record in the record book will be used as evidence if a notarial act you performed is ever questioned in a court of law.
Notary record books also build customer confidence and discourage fraudulent transactions.
This useful and economical Ohio notary record book accommodates 350 entries and includes step-by-step instructions for recording notarial acts. The book is chronologically numbered so that it will be easy to detect if a record is tampered with. This journal meets or exceeds Ohio state requirements for proper notarial record keeping

Well I worked for local government and never charged fees, anyone that wanted something notarized, title, transfer of deed etc we were to notarize free of charge. Service of the county. The notary class never instructed us to keep a journal so legally RN probably didnt keep one, I didn't. No argument, just saying it isn't or wasnt required so there probably is not a journal for LE to have confiscated from RN

 

[Betty P]

I apologize if this was mentioned and I overlooked it. When the Go-Fund me was first set up, I personally saw a comment from Kendra R. She was concerned, and asked Jake "I thought you already had custody of Suds" Jake replied he did, and was just finishing up some legalities (Not his direct quote). Idk if we're allowed to post screenshots, but I might still have it. That always struck me as odd, and is around the time I started sleuthing his Facebook, paying closer attention. Like dying his hair, and him being asked by friends about it. That's when I personally started having uneasy feelings. As much as I didn't want to think so, right then and there I felt this was partly over custody, friendships soured, and jealousy. At this point Leonard had mention to the news about custody. This was when he said if they didn't release his sons truck, he was going to start talking. (I always wondered why they towed the blue car from Kenneth's as well) Leonard had already stated there had been a problem 2 weeks before, and cops had been called for problems. He was so frustrated. I now understand why he said " if they can live with it, so can I". Never made sense, now I get it. Especially watching his interview at James' bond hearing. Leonard said in that interview, when asked if he thought Jake was involved, he said Jake used to come to his house all the time, and now he wouldn't even bring his granddaughter over for her presents. Same interview where he states the cops told his said he failed his lie detector test, and texts being sent between Jake and James.

IMO and JMO, there's a difference in not knowing how to explain death to a young child, but completely isolating them from the entire maternal family. I had got curious about the other son gaining custody of his son as well. Looked into it, and the entire process of his custody battle is a whole other interesting tale.

Apologies for the long reply. And if I need to add those links, please let me know and I'll try to do so.

Thanks for your comment and welcome, NoNameNoSlogan! All good points. Was JW going around to friends telling them HR had signed over custody after the murder? Was he flashing those forged documents? Something to think about

I've heard mention before of the blue cars removed from the properties. By any chance do you have a link to a photo of one of those cars? Is there something about them you think is relevant?

Thanks!

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Someone asked upthread where baby Kylie was born, it was in Portsmouth, Ohio, Southern Ohio Medical Center *SOMC*. Sorry if it's been answered already.

 

[Betty P]

Someone asked upthread where baby Kylie was born, it was in Portsmouth, Ohio, Southern Ohio Medical Center *SOMC*. Sorry if it's been answered already.

Thank you, you're reading my mind....

 

[Myland]

jmo But I want to see hard evidence. I have seen the tattoo and video clips used before and it didn’t prove to a jury guilt. Jmo

 

[Blessdx2]

This custody document forged 19 days before the murders is the main reason I believe that Rita and Fred were in on planning the murders from the git go. Even if they did not pull the trigger they are equally as guilty of the murders as the other 4. <modsnipped rumor> This shows a pattern of lying to achieve what you want. I feel that once George rolls on everyone that we are going to see a murder charge for the two grannies. and most certainly for Fred.

JMO

IMO I feel that Rita knew what was going to happen when she notarized the forged papers. What would have happened if Hanna had not been killed and those papers were filed at the courthouse? Obviously Hanna would find out and then what? Rita knew that. Rita knew she would then be arrested for it. But if Hanna and her family were not around to contest it then she could possibly get away with it. MOO

 

[Blessdx2]

This crime happened literally right behind where i lived at the time. We heard the gunshot.
This is more of a case of smear tactics from the defendants family and the now criminally charges defense attorney than a tainted jury. The jurors were all polled after the hearings and she said nothing about her alligations at that time. It wasn't until she was contacted by the defense attorney that she had issues.

This is all JMO

What time did you hear the gunshot and how many did you hear?

 

[Betty P]

jmo But I want to see hard evidence. I have seen the tattoo and video clips used before and it didn’t prove to a jury guilt. Jmo

I'm sure there will be DNA, ballistics, cell phone/text message, likely fingerprint evidence and probably blood evidence in the vehicles used by the Ws. JMO, that will be enough.

Don't forget footprints in victims' blood from shoes bought by the Wags at Walmart, later discarded. Probably had some blood evidence on those BPV's too. Doubt they threw those away, too expensive. How will they explain away having Chris Sr or Frankie or Hannah Gilley's blood on their BPVs?

Because they decided to go all "Hollywood" in creating gory, theatrical bloodbaths at each murder scene, they ended up with their victim's blood, tissue, etc all over themselves, their weapons, their clothing, their vehicles, etc.

 

[Blessdx2]

I'm sure there will be DNA, ballistics, cell phone/text message, likely fingerprint evidence and probably blood evidence in the vehicles used by the Ws. JMO, that will be enough.

Don't forget footprints in victims' blood from shoes bought by the Wags at Walmart, later discarded. Probably had some blood evidence on those BPV's too. Doubt they threw those away, too expensive.

And the Walmart receipt that they forgot to burn with the vcr.

 

[Myland]

I'm sure there will be DNA, ballistics, cell phone/text message, likely fingerprint evidence and probably blood evidence in the vehicles used by the Ws. JMO, that will be enough.

Don't forget footprints in victims' blood from shoes bought by the Wags at Walmart, later discarded. Probably had some blood evidence on those BPV's too. Doubt they threw those away, too expensive.

Jmo I have a hard time at this point believing le have all that or the arrests would have came sooner, but if they do then the Ws need the chair jmo

 

[IQuestion]

Great ARTICLE on Misuse of Notary Seals (I promise) NAT'L NOTARY INFO
"The misuse of Notary seals in conjunction with other mayhem (including violence and even murder) occurs too often. Like a police officer’s badge or a soldier’s uniform, the seal is a recognized symbol of authority, and Notaries cannot allow it to be borrowed, stolen or used by anyone else under any circumstances – NO EXCEPTIONS."
Misuse Of Notary Seals
Sidenote: We had a client who was the victim of a financial crime and the perp used their notary seal in the furtherance of the scam. Dhaaang...the conviction/ plea bargain was so quick it would make your head spin. Not even a trial... the perp/notary negotiated and took a felony.
Technical forgeries happen all the time, between "spouses"...my bank would be in shock if they ever saw my real signature. But, misuse of a Notary Seal in the commission of a crime, misleading investigators or attesting to someone's presence (via backdating) will end in a conviction 99% of the time.

 

[NoNameNoSlogan]

Thanks for your comment and welcome, NoNameNoSlogan! All good points. Was JW going around to friends telling them HR had signed over custody after the murder? Was he flashing those forged documents? Something to think about

I've heard mention before of the blue cars removed from the properties. By any chance do you have a link to a photo of one of those cars? Is there something about them you think is relevant?

Thanks!

Thanks. It was posted through a news station, on Twitter. Showed James' truck and the blue car. This was during the very beginning, before all the distractions, victim blaming, etc. I will certainly do my best to find it. OMO, jmo, I've always "believed" this to be Gary's car. Reason being, there's a red sports car in Chris Srs front yard, that used to be Gary's . He clipped the front end, parked it, and I thought he was driving the blue one. Only an opinion...Also, I've heard the blue car wouldn't start, causing some u expected issues that night. Keyword "heard" so, not a fact by any means. Makes you wonder if perhaps Gary stopped by Kenny's on his way in, and then taken to Chris'. Again, all opinions from observing only. Delete this if violates please, thanks!

I'll see about that picture, and try to get it posted.

 

[Betty P]

Jmo I have a hard time at this point believing le have all that or the arrests would have came sooner, but if they do then the Ws need the chair jmo

JMO, the arrests didn't come sooner because LE didn't begin to focus on the W's until over a year after the murders - in summer of 2017. They spent more than a year gathering and testing evidence, but trying to match it to Rhoden family members, etc. I'm sure once they decided to focus on the W's everything began to fall into place, but that likely didn't happen until May or June 2017 and by then the W's had taken off for AK.

JMO, for all practical purposes the investigation didn't really begin until more than a year after the murders.

 

[Betty P]

Thanks. It was posted through a news station, on Twitter. Showed James' truck and the blue car. This was during the very beginning, before all the distractions, victim blaming, etc. I will certainly do my best to find it. OMO, jmo, I've always "believed" this to be Gary's car. Reason being, there's a red sports car in Chris Srs front yard, that used to be Gary's . He clipped the front end, parked it, and I thought he was driving the blue one. Only an opinion...Also, I've heard the blue car wouldn't start, causing some u expected issues that night. Keyword "heard" so, not a fact by any means. Makes you wonder if perhaps Gary stopped by Kenny's on his way in, and then taken to Chris'. Again, all opinions from observing only. Delete this if violates please, thanks!

I'll see about that picture, and try to get it posted.

Oh, I see what you're saying. That could explain why Gary was killed later than Chris. He was dropping his car off at Kenny's to have him take a look at it the next day. Was the blue car a sedan? SUV? sporty car? Light blue, medium or dark?

BTW, you're fine. We can search to find the car pictures. Just add JMO to the end of your comment (just my opinion) to indicate it's your theory of what could have happened that night. But, yeah, that's a good theory.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Cool Cats, you are right. The charges against Fredericka could be that simple.
I just feel like more is going on than we know about.
We may have more clues after the next deadline, if there is any coverage for the public.
From the article you linked:

“Owen requested a transcript be provided as soon as possible and the judge set a deadline of Jan. 31 barring any delays.
The judge said he may need time to review the transcripts before they are made available to the defense.”

Remember this the longer they got mommy tied up in court the less money and time she can spend ont the younger ones!

 

[Betty P]

Remember this the longer they got mommy tied up in court the less money and time she can spend ont the younger ones!

She wants to start waging a PR campaign in the news media, too. She has some experience and connections in this area. If you search old news stories about her and Flying W Farms, you'll see she was very adept at getting news coverage in all major media markets across the US and Canada back in the day. She planted a lot of special interest stories about her animals, special breeds, etc. She wants to do that again for her family - go on the talk shows, interviews in print media, etc. talking about her poor family and how they've been abused.

She can't do so now, because she's under the "gag order" on the case, but once she gets the charges against her wiped, she can go on Dr. Phil, etc.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

It looks more like CH to me after blowing it up.

And you would be correct, it is Corey.

 

[Myland]

JMO, the arrests didn't come sooner because LE didn't begin to focus on the W's until over a year after the murders - in summer of 2017. They spent more than a year gathering and testing evidence, but trying to match it to Rhoden family members, etc. I'm sure once they decided to focus on the W's everything began to fall into place, but that likely didn't happen until May or June 2017 and by then the W's had taken off for AK.

JMO, for all practical purposes the investigation didn't really begin until more than a year after the murders.

Jmo I agree they didn’t switch to W until April/May 2017, but then you have another year and half. That is a long time. Several pieces mentioned in the discovery was recovered in May 2017. Jmo

 

[Betty P]

Thanks. It was posted through a news station, on Twitter. Showed James' truck and the blue car. This was during the very beginning, before all the distractions, victim blaming, etc. I will certainly do my best to find it. OMO, jmo, I've always "believed" this to be Gary's car. Reason being, there's a red sports car in Chris Srs front yard, that used to be Gary's . He clipped the front end, parked it, and I thought he was driving the blue one. Only an opinion...Also, I've heard the blue car wouldn't start, causing some u expected issues that night. Keyword "heard" so, not a fact by any means. Makes you wonder if perhaps Gary stopped by Kenny's on his way in, and then taken to Chris'. Again, all opinions from observing only. Delete this if violates please, thanks!

I'll see about that picture, and try to get it posted.

Here's the news video with footage of KR's camper area. Do you see anything? Video and photos of the Left Fork properties is kind of hard to find.

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