OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#42

[sunshineray]

Fred is paying for her attorneys. At her pre-trial hearing her lead attorney James Owen told the Judge that she had hired him.
Quote:
"Fredericka because she's a decent person who's falsely accused of being on the wrong side of the law testified at length before the Grand Jury before she HIRED me. I think for several hours....."

Party Charge Information

• WAGNER, FREDERICKA CAROL

• - Defendant

Charge # 1 :
2921.32(A)(5) - Felony 5th Degree OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE

Charge # 2 :
2921.11(A) - Felony 3rd Degree PERJURY

11/14/2018 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE OF ATTORNEYS JAMES D OWEN AND CHARLES A KOENIG FILED (VIA FAX)

11/15/2018 JOURNAL ENTRY ON BOND AND WARRANT RECALL -- DEFENDANT MAY BE RELEASED UPON $100,000.00 BOND BY CASH, SURETY, OR 10%; DEFENDANT SHALL OBEY ALL LAWS AND NOT LEAVE THE STATE OF OHIO; DEFENDANT SHALL KEEP COURT INFORMED OF ALL CHANGES IN ADDRESS; DEFENDANT SHALL APPEAR AT ALL FUTURE COURT HEARINGS IN A TIMELY MANNER; DEFENDANT SHALL BE SUPERVISED BY THE PRE TRIAL SERVICES OFFICER AND SHALL FOLLOW ALL RULES OF PRE TRIAL SUPERVISION; DEFENDANTS SHALL NOT CONSUME OR ATTEMPT TO PURCHASE ANY BEVERAGE CONTAINING ALCOHOL OR DRUG OF ABUSE; DEFENDANT SHALL NOT BE PRESENT AT ANY TIME IN ANY PLACE WHERE BEVERAGES CONTAINING ALCOHOL ARE SOLD OR OTHERWISE DISPENSED FOR CONSUMPTION ON THE PREMISES; FURTHER ORDERED THAT ALL UNEXECUTED WARRANT ISSUED IN THIS ACTION FOR THE ARREST OF THE DEFENDANT BE AND HEREBY ARE, RECALLED AND SHALL BE RETURNED BY THE PCSO WITHOUT EXECUTION OF THE SAME; WITH EXHIBIT A STANDARD TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF BAIL OF THE PIKE COUNTY COURT OF COMMON PLEAS; DEFENDANT SHALL REFRAIN FROM ALL CONTACT WITH ANY MEMBERS OF THE VICTIM'S FAMILY; IF RELEASED, DEFENDANT SHALL BE UNDER ELECTRONICALLY MONITORED HOUSE ARREST AS ON EXHIBIT "A" COPY TO DEFENDANT AND PCSO
******************************************

WAGNER, III, GEORGE WASHINGTON
- Defendant
12/04/2018 INDIGENT APPLICATION FILED

• WAGNER, IV, GEORGE WASHINGTON-
• - Defendant
• 11/28/2018 INDIGENT APPLICATION FILED

WAGNER, EDWARD JACOB
- Defendant
11/27/2018 INDIGENT APPLICATION FILED

WAGNER, ANGELA JO
- Defendant
11/30/2018 INDIGENT APPLICATION FILED

Wow so someone under pre-trial supervised house arrest for GJ perjury and obstructing justice can't have a beer, glass of wine, mixed drink, shot of whisky? They can't even have it in their home. Wonder how that's going for her.

 

[ColMustard]

Wow so someone under pre-trial supervised house arrest for GJ perjury and obstructing justice can't have a beer, glass of wine, mixed drink, shot of whisky? They can't even have it in their home. Wonder how that's going for her.

Not supposed to have guns either, at least for those serving a house arrest sentence, not sure on pre-trial.

 

[Julia966]

I would think Fred is teetotal. Do we know differently?

 

[sunshineray]

Not supposed to have guns either, at least for those serving a house arrest sentence, not sure on pre-trial.

That I can see but restricting alcohol in your home, when on supervised bail there and someone being innocent til proven guilty? Wonder what the reasoning behind that is, denying an elderly bailed person a sip of alcohol with meals or before bed. You know...medicinally speaking haha

 

[Puzzles8]

I would think Fred is teetotal. Do we know differently?

I would agree. She seems to be very Apostalic or Pentecostal in her religious beliefs.

 

[Puzzles8]

I've always wondered about anyone worrying about humane ways to kill convicted killers. The firing squad was probably the most humane if they don't want suffering while dying. Or, an overdose of Fentanyl. Then they'd get high while dying...

Oh, but do I have a real story about old sparky, but that would not be tos....

 

[Puzzles8]

Why in the world would anyone be stupid enough to keep the bullet-proof vests especially if they were blood stained (and I think they would be) after the searches on Friday? FWR wasn't searched till Saturday. Could it be that 4 were purchased and only 2 were used because of a change in plans and those 2 used ones were distroyed? This to me, if proved that they were purchased by the W's in the correct timeframe, could be as damaging as 2 blood stained vests

Just sayin’ 7th grade education.....

 

[sunshineray]

I would agree. She seems to be very Apostalic or Pentecostal in her religious beliefs.

I've known the tea-toddling "type". My tiny, Puritanical , God-fearing Scottish Gram was one. As an adult I found out she liked her little snort of whiskey before bed, "it's medicinal". Even though, she hounded my German Gramps about his beer haha. You never know.
I just thought it odd since FW has not been convicted and is confined to her home.

 

[Gracie55]

The stinger is not considered a segment. However, tatt artists do not always stay true to life, annnnd some tatt artists are better than others.

99 Scorpion Tattoos | Scorpio Tattoo Designs

I wonder if they found/interviewed the tat studio/artist who did the art?

 

[OhioBlues]

I really wish that I knew when BW got that tattoo. If he received it in July 2018 or after then maybe he was trying to take the fall for all of the murders. jmo

 

[Puzzles8]

I wonder if they found/interviewed the tat studio/artist who did the art?

I'd be more interested in the date.

 

[Cool Cats]

I really wish that I knew when BW got that tattoo. If he received it in July 2018 or after then maybe he was trying to take the fall for all of the murders. jmo

I believe he got the tattoo no earlier than summer 2017, as I had posted earlier. And, not counting the head, I counted 8 segments, one for each victim. Sends chills.

The prosecution turned over to the defense as evidence, a photo of one of Billy's tattoos. Gosh wonder which one it was?

 

[Gracie55]

I'd be more interested in the date.

I'd like to know if he got the design with extra segments from a pattern or adapted it, and if the reason was discussed. Plus who? And When of course.

 

[Dudly]

Dudly.... I will defer to my husband's thought on that topic. "Do you think we had port-a-potties in the jungles of Viet Nam?"

Is Pike County in Vietnam?

 

[ColMustard]

After reading the Boondock Saints script, a couple of items stand out as theoretically fitting as the evidence clip. Something the killers might latch onto.

#1 Ammonia scattered over murder scenes in the movie. Ammonia - open windows. We know windows were open at least by the time news helicopters arrived.

#2 Pennies placed on victim's eyes in the movie. But we've seen nothing to indicate that happened, yet.

 

[sunshineray]

I really wish that I knew when BW got that tattoo. If he received it in July 2018 or after then maybe he was trying to take the fall for all of the murders. jmo

Someone posted that family pic of all the W's on that vacation to AK, by the water. If you zoom in, you can see GW3's right hand and is doesn't look like the tat is there. Anyone remember when that was? I know it was before the searches on their properties.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

After reading the Boondock Saints script, a couple of items stand out as theoretically fitting as the evidence clip. Something the killers might latch onto.

#1 Ammonia scattered over murder scenes in the movie. Ammonia - open windows. We know windows were open at least by the time news helicopters arrived.

#2 Pennies placed on victim's eyes in the movie. But we've seen nothing to indicate that happened, yet.

We discussed those open windows at Chris and Frankie's trailer many times and the reason for them being open. None of us thought they were open to air the places out after someone sprayed ammonia all over the crime scenes. Now we know. One puzzle solved I think. Also fits with Dewine saying they did everything they could to cover their tracks.

Thanks Col for pointing that out to us.

JMO

 

[Julia966]

After reading the Boondock Saints script, a couple of items stand out as theoretically fitting as the evidence clip. Something the killers might latch onto.

#1 Ammonia scattered over murder scenes in the movie. Ammonia - open windows. We know windows were open at least by the time news helicopters arrived.

#2 Pennies placed on victim's eyes in the movie. But we've seen nothing to indicate that happened, yet.

The only thing I thought might be similar is the dollar bills scattered around KR (?). Inflation since 1999, maybe :/

 

[Puzzles8]

I've known the tea-toddling "type". My tiny, Puritanical , God-fearing Scottish Gram was one. As an adult I found out she liked her little snort of whiskey before bed, "it's medicinal". Even though, she hounded my German Gramps about his beer haha. You never know.
I just thought it odd since FW has not been convicted and is confined to her home.

I think those constraints are pretty generic to all those on home monitoring.

 

[Cool Cats]

Someone posted that family pic of all the W's on that vacation to AK, by the water. If you zoom in, you can see GW3's right hand and is doesn't look like the tat is there. Anyone remember when that was? I know it was before the searches on their properties.

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/bc...2.jpg?width=3200&height=1680&fit=crop

The tattoo is mostly on the top of GW3's right hand above his trigger finger. You just don't see it here.