OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#42

[Cool Cats]

Curiouser and curiouser.

"Custody Messages (1 excel sheet with 519 entries)". A spreadsheet containing messages? Did Billy create a spreadsheet to document messages or does this refer to a spreadsheet that LE put together?

"Fredericka Wagner lied about her son's bullet proof vest". Maybe I haven't been paying the strictest attention, but this is the first I've heard of a bullet proof vest.

"Information from Maglite." ATF shined a flashlight down the well and this entry relates to what they found? The silencer maybe? I wonder why they refer to it this way.

Julia966....Here is some information on the bullet proof vests.
Purchase of bulletproof vests at center of charges against Wagner matriarch

 

[Betty P]

Curiouser and curiouser.

"Custody Messages (1 excel sheet with 519 entries)". A spreadsheet containing messages? Did Billy create a spreadsheet to document messages or does this refer to a spreadsheet that LE put together?

"Fredericka Wagner lied about her son's bullet proof vest". Maybe I haven't been paying the strictest attention, but this is the first I've heard of a bullet proof vest.

"Information from Maglite." ATF shined a flashlight down the well and this entry relates to what they found? The silencer maybe? I wonder why they refer to it this way.

Some have speculated that the home made silencer was built with parts from a Maglite flashlight body. There are videos on YouTube showing people how to do this.

 

[Julia966]

When I read it, I thought the spreadsheet represents a compilation that LE did of all the custody related messages they found on texts, voicemail, emails, etc. They would need a way to compile and organize that information to show what was taking place, showing a motive. It's a LOT of messages and I wonder if JW and family were really harassing HMR over his threats and demand for full custody. This could also contain messages with threats, etc. sent to CR1 and Dana R.

That's probably right. When I think of things going into evidence, I think of them going in in their original form, but it could be something LE put together, I guess.

 

[Julia966]

Some have speculated that the home made silencer was built with parts from a Maglite flashlight body. There are videos on YouTube showing people how to do this.

Julia966....Here is some information on the bullet proof vests.
Purchase of bulletproof vests at center of charges against Wagner matriarch

Thank you, thank you! I was unaware of these tidbits.

 

[Betty P]

I see some evidence discovery articles from today posted on here but I don't see this specific one posted so just thought I 'd add this to the mix.
.......January 24, 2019.....Jake Wagner Hearing.......

Defense in Pike County massacre asks to see slew of new evidence including ‘Boondock Saints’ clip

Yes, the reporter is holding the Bill of Particulars in his hand and talking about the 7 page evidence discovery document. If the news media can get access to those, why can't the public?

 

[Cool Cats]

Thank you, thank you! I was unaware of these tidbits.

Julia966.....Here is the reason the vests are so important....Fred lied about them to the Grand Jury....Allegedly lied, not proven yet of course.

Wagner matriarch in Rhoden murder case wants bail modified

 

[Julia966]

Julia966.....Here is the reason the vests are so important....Fred lied about them to the Grand Jury....Allegedly lied, not proven yet of course.

Wagner matriarch in Rhoden murder case wants bail modified

I don't know how I missed that, thanks again! I do recall her being accused of lying to the grand jury but somehow missed on what subject she lied.

 

[Fayette_kid]

Curiouser and curiouser.

"Custody Messages (1 excel sheet with 519 entries)". A spreadsheet containing messages? Did Billy create a spreadsheet to document messages or does this refer to a spreadsheet that LE put together?

"Fredericka Wagner lied about her son's bullet proof vest". Maybe I haven't been paying the strictest attention, but this is the first I've heard of a bullet proof vest.

"Information from Maglite." ATF shined a flashlight down the well and this entry relates to what they found? The silencer maybe? I wonder why they refer to it this way.

People have been making unregistered suppressors out of standard size 4 cell Maglite flashlight bodies (the cylindrical part). There are companies that sell the add on parts and advertise them as parts to turn the Maglite body into "solvent traps" -- wink, wink, they just happen to screw onto a threaded gun or pistol barrel -- which is the same as when companies used to sell good old fashioned M-80 style firecrackers and firecracker kits well into the 80s and 90s (the off the shelf consumer M-80s have been illegal since 1966, I believe) for use as "pest control" until the ATF shut that stuff down. So that's my guess: parts for an improvised suppressor were found. I wonder if using the Maglite body with those "solvent trap" parts leaves behind telltale marks inside the Maglite body, if they even bothered to disassemble it at all.

Edit: "info from Maglite" probably means the ATF contacted Maglite. Maglite is probably well aware of their product being used this way, and probably wanted factory markings and specs, etc.

All of this MY OPINION!

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, the reporter is holding the Bill of Particulars in his hand and talking about the 7 page evidence discovery document. If the news media can get access to those, why can't the public?

They file for the information from the Pike County Clerk Of Courts....

No reason the public can't do likewise, after all, the reason the media wants this evidence is to inform the GENERAL PUBLIC.

 

[Betty P]

They file for the information from the Pike County Clerk Of Courts....

No reason the public can't do likewise, after all, the reason the media wants this evidence is to inform the GENERAL PUBLIC.

Just came across this. One of the news stations is posting them on ScribD

Jake Wagner Bill of Particulars

Jake Wagner to appear at a pretrial hearing

 

[Julia966]

People have been making unregistered suppressors out of standard size 4 cell Maglite flashlight bodies (the cylindrical part). There are companies that sell the add on parts and advertise them as parts to turn the Maglite body into "solvent traps" -- wink, wink, they just happen to screw onto a threaded gun or pistol barrel -- which is the same as when companies used to sell good old fashioned M-80 style firecrackers and firecracker kits well into the 80s and 90s (the off the shelf consumer M-80s have been illegal since 1966, I believe) for use as "pest control" until the ATF shut that stuff down. So that's my guess: parts for an improvised suppressor were found. I wonder if using the Maglite body with those "solvent trap" parts leaves behind telltale marks inside the Maglite body, if they even bothered to disassemble it at all.

Edit: "info from Maglite" probably means the ATF contacted Maglite. Maglite is probably well aware of their product being used this way, and probably wanted factory markings and specs, etc.

All of this MY OPINION!

Yup, I'm sure you're right, it's information from the company. I thought they shined a flashlight down the well lol

 

[Loomis124]

He is barefoot! Smile!

 

[Loomis124]

She walked straight in and sat down and started writing. I do not understand.

IMO she's doing it to focus attention on herself.

 

[Loomis124]

Yes, the directions to the news media about photographing JW's restraints sounds very odd. That judge sure is accommodating to JW.

WRT shock restraints and their uneven record, you know whatever security leniency they grant to JW, they'll have to do the same for GW3 & GW4. JW is puny, but the other two are very large, esp GW3 and could easily escape and could be a very real public threat to anyone in that courtroom or out on the streets.

Somehow I think having JW ask for this exception first is part of a plan. Let's not forget they already discussed plans to escape if arrested.

I can't believe the Judge is allowing these things, and he appears very much to be overly accommodating to the defendants. Does anyone know what is going on with that?

 

[Julia966]

I can't believe the Judge is allowing these things, and he appears very much to be overly accommodating to the defendants. Does anyone know what is going on with that?

Fear of being overturned on appeal? A decent judge will give latitude on minor issues to be sure that the jury's verdict holds down the road. They are presumed innocent at this point.

 

[Betty P]

People have been making unregistered suppressors out of standard size 4 cell Maglite flashlight bodies (the cylindrical part). There are companies that sell the add on parts and advertise them as parts to turn the Maglite body into "solvent traps" -- wink, wink, they just happen to screw onto a threaded gun or pistol barrel -- which is the same as when companies used to sell good old fashioned M-80 style firecrackers and firecracker kits well into the 80s and 90s (the off the shelf consumer M-80s have been illegal since 1966, I believe) for use as "pest control" until the ATF shut that stuff down. So that's my guess: parts for an improvised suppressor were found. I wonder if using the Maglite body with those "solvent trap" parts leaves behind telltale marks inside the Maglite body, if they even bothered to disassemble it at all.

Edit: "info from Maglite" probably means the ATF contacted Maglite. Maglite is probably well aware of their product being used this way, and probably wanted factory markings and specs, etc.

All of this MY OPINION!

I recall seeing a You tube video where the guy giving instructions to build the "Maglite" suppressor mentioned there's a serial number on the body of every Maglite.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I mentioned the movie Boondock Saints to my grandson. He has seen that movie and something he said got my attention. He said the brothers in that movie shot people in the eye and then put quarters on their eyes.

We know at least two of the victims were shot in the eye. Is that why they would not release the autopsies because all of the victims were shot in the eye? Like in the movie?

I wonder if there was something the W's did that was straight out of that movie and that is why the movie is listed as part of the evidence?

BTW my grandson didn't think a lot of the movie.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Curiouser and curiouser.

"Custody Messages (1 excel sheet with 519 entries)". A spreadsheet containing messages? Did Billy create a spreadsheet to document messages or does this refer to a spreadsheet that LE put together?

"Fredericka Wagner lied about her son's bullet proof vest". Maybe I haven't been paying the strictest attention, but this is the first I've heard of a bullet proof vest.

"Information from Maglite." ATF shined a flashlight down the well and this entry relates to what they found? The silencer maybe? I wonder why they refer to it this way.

(2) **UPDATED** 2015 Solvent Trap Maglite Flashlight Suppressor Silencer - YouTube

 

[Fayette_kid]

I recall seeing a You tube video where the guy giving instructions to build the "Maglite" suppressor mentioned there's a serial number on the body of every Maglite.

Probably, and they can probably trace that to a Lot number, and that can be traced to a Wal-Mart, know what I mean?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I recall seeing a You tube video where the guy giving instructions to build the "Maglite" suppressor mentioned there's a serial number on the body of every Maglite.

That serial number could be what ties the W's to it.