OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#42

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I can't access this article because they keep wanting me to buy a subscription so I greatly appreciate you posting this date.

Sophia and Buvine look just the right age for it to be this date, and we know they went to Alaska at this time.

My screen shot of this photo from my previous post is ALSO dated July 8th, 2017.

So not much doubt GW3 did not get the tattoo until AFTER July 8, 2017.
Rhoden case: 'Hate seeing my daughter cry'
Chris Graves, [email protected] 8:37 a.m. ET July 29, 2016 | Updated 12:53 p.m. ET July 29, 2016
The father of a surviving Rhoden child started a Gofundme account to help with legal bills he acquired to gain custody of his toddler-aged daughter.
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Jake Wagner still can't quite bring himself to tell his 2 1/2-year-old daughter that her mommy is dead.

It's the finality of that word that stops him. He worries about the tow-headed toddler's unpredictable reaction. There will be, he knows, so many questions. He is concerned, too, she may become frightened.

He knows there will come a day when he will tell Sophia that her mom, Hanna Rhoden, was shot and killed with seven of her extended family members on April 22. He knows another day will arrive when he and she will make the trip to the cemetery where her mom is buried alongside two of her uncles and her maternal grandparents.

"I've told her that mommy is with Jesus and we will see her again later,'' Wagner said. "I don't know if she knows Hanna isn't coming back.

"I don't know if she understands."

How could she?

In addition to her mom, also killed were: her grandparents, Christopher Rhoden, 40, and Dana Rhoden, 37; her uncles, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden, 20, and Christopher Rhoden Jr., 16; a great uncle, Kenneth Rhoden, 44; and a cousin, Gary Rhoden, 38. Also killed was Frankie Rhoden's fiancee Hannah Gilley, 20.

Two of her cousins, Ruger Rhoden, then 6 months, and Brentley Rhoden, 3, along with her newborn sister, Kylie, were found alive and physically unhurt in the trailers they shared with their parents.

The investigation is now in its fourth month with no stated motive nor suspects and no arrests. And as the criminal case is moving along, so is the business of custody and estates. Neither is easy.

Pike County coroner withholding final autopsy reports in killings


GoFundMe account in an effort to defray the legal bills and other unexpected but associated costs. He didn't know about the website until his mother mentioned it to him. He said he didn't want to draw attention to himself or to his daughter, but also didn't see a way out of the debt he has incurred since the homicide.

In Pike County, family clings to hope


"These were not expenses I was supposed to have. I was just supposed to be able to spend time with her and give her a happy childhood, she is only 2 1/2 years old,'' Wagner wrote on the page of the crowd-fundraising site. "Sophia and I are just asking for enough to settle the fees that we acquired due to the horrific tragedy to her mommy.

"We want to get our lives back,'' he wrote. "I hate seeing my daughter cry."

Wagner set a fundraising goal of $20,000, but said his legal bills were not quite that high. But, he added, his legal bills were four times more than what he expected. The former over-the-road truck driver and trained mechanic has maxed out his credit cards. He said he is paying his lawyer in what is left over after he pays his other bills every month. It hardly makes a dent.

Hanna Rhoden and Wagner shared custody of Sophia, who was supposed to be with her mom that fateful Friday evening, he said. But Wagner picked her up a day earlier than normal: "I reckon we missed it by just hours."

he and at least one other young man could be her father.

Neither court nor county officials will discuss the custody issues surrounding Kylie and Ruger. The Pike County Children Services Board filed a motion asking the county's juvenile court to seal those records and related court proceedings in the case. The Enquirer believes the proceedings are public under Ohio law. A court hearing on the issue is set for Aug. 4.


It's unclear if any family members have been able to see either Ruger or Kylie. Wagner knows that Sophia hasn't seen them since April 21.

But he has taken her to play with her cousin Brentley at a playground. She was at a family wedding this past weekend. She recently visited her great-grandmother Geneva Rhoden, which put a rare smile on the 73-year-old's matriarch's face.

Dad and daughter are working to find a sense of normalcy and routine. There are the four-wheeler rides he takes her on, to a nearby creek. She helps him in the barn with the animals. There are tea parties, nail polishing sessions and Disney videos.


On the nights he makes it home before she drifts off to sleep, they read books together -- "Finding Nemo" is her current favorite.

When they are all done, she interlocks her little fingers and she prays.

"And I have her talk to her mom."

Chris Graves is the Enquirer's local columnist. She has been writing about the Rhoden family massacre since April. You can email her at [email protected] or follow her on Twitter @chrisgraves.

Reward offered

Anyone with information related to the case is asked to call Southern Ohio Crime Stoppers at 740-773-TIPS. Anonymous tips are still being taken at the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation at 855-BCI-OHIO (224-6446) or the Pike County Sheriff's Office at 740-947-2111.

A $10,000 Crime Stoppers reward would be paid for any information that leads to apprehension of suspects and a conviction in the case
Jake is a trained liar!
 
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Wonder what the defense feels le needs to advise the prosecutors about?
Come on Myland you can't tease us like that. PM it to me. lol
 
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Rhoden case: 'Hate seeing my daughter cry'
Chris Graves, [email protected] 8:37 a.m. ET July 29, 2016 | Updated 12:53 p.m. ET July 29, 2016
The father of a surviving Rhoden child started a ******** account to help with legal bills he acquired to gain custody of his toddler-aged daughter.
TWEETLINKEDINCOMMENTEMAILMORE
Jake Wagner still can't quite bring himself to tell his 2 1/2-year-old daughter that her mommy is dead.

It's the finality of that word that stops him. He worries about the tow-headed toddler's unpredictable reaction. There will be, he knows, so many questions. He is concerned, too, she may become frightened.

He knows there will come a day when he will tell Sophia that her mom, Hanna Rhoden, was shot and killed with seven of her extended family members on April 22. He knows another day will arrive when he and she will make the trip to the cemetery where her mom is buried alongside two of her uncles and her maternal grandparents.

"I've told her that mommy is with Jesus and we will see her again later,'' Wagner said. "I don't know if she knows Hanna isn't coming back.

"I don't know if she understands."

How could she?

In addition to her mom, also killed were: her grandparents, Christopher Rhoden, 40, and Dana Rhoden, 37; her uncles, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden, 20, and Christopher Rhoden Jr., 16; a great uncle, Kenneth Rhoden, 44; and a cousin, Gary Rhoden, 38. Also killed was Frankie Rhoden's fiancee Hannah Gilley, 20.

Two of her cousins, Ruger Rhoden, then 6 months, and Brentley Rhoden, 3, along with her newborn sister, Kylie, were found alive and physically unhurt in the trailers they shared with their parents.

The investigation is now in its fourth month with no stated motive nor suspects and no arrests. And as the criminal case is moving along, so is the business of custody and estates. Neither is easy.

Pike County coroner withholding final autopsy reports in killings


******** account in an effort to defray the legal bills and other unexpected but associated costs. He didn't know about the website until his mother mentioned it to him. He said he didn't want to draw attention to himself or to his daughter, but also didn't see a way out of the debt he has incurred since the homicide.

In Pike County, family clings to hope


"These were not expenses I was supposed to have. I was just supposed to be able to spend time with her and give her a happy childhood, she is only 2 1/2 years old,'' Wagner wrote on the page of the crowd-fundraising site. "Sophia and I are just asking for enough to settle the fees that we acquired due to the horrific tragedy to her mommy.

"We want to get our lives back,'' he wrote. "I hate seeing my daughter cry."

Wagner set a fundraising goal of $20,000, but said his legal bills were not quite that high. But, he added, his legal bills were four times more than what he expected. The former over-the-road truck driver and trained mechanic has maxed out his credit cards. He said he is paying his lawyer in what is left over after he pays his other bills every month. It hardly makes a dent.

Hanna Rhoden and Wagner shared custody of Sophia, who was supposed to be with her mom that fateful Friday evening, he said. But Wagner picked her up a day earlier than normal: "I reckon we missed it by just hours."

he and at least one other young man could be her father.

Neither court nor county officials will discuss the custody issues surrounding Kylie and Ruger. The Pike County Children Services Board filed a motion asking the county's juvenile court to seal those records and related court proceedings in the case. The Enquirer believes the proceedings are public under Ohio law. A court hearing on the issue is set for Aug. 4.


It's unclear if any family members have been able to see either Ruger or Kylie. Wagner knows that Sophia hasn't seen them since April 21.

But he has taken her to play with her cousin Brentley at a playground. She was at a family wedding this past weekend. She recently visited her great-grandmother Geneva Rhoden, which put a rare smile on the 73-year-old's matriarch's face.

Dad and daughter are working to find a sense of normalcy and routine. There are the four-wheeler rides he takes her on, to a nearby creek. She helps him in the barn with the animals. There are tea parties, nail polishing sessions and Disney videos.


On the nights he makes it home before she drifts off to sleep, they read books together -- "Finding Nemo" is her current favorite.

When they are all done, she interlocks her little fingers and she prays.

"And I have her talk to her mom."

Chris Graves is the Enquirer's local columnist. She has been writing about the Rhoden family massacre since April. You can email her at [email protected] or follow her on Twitter @chrisgraves.

Reward offered

Anyone with information related to the case is asked to call Southern Ohio Crime Stoppers at 740-773-TIPS. Anonymous tips are still being taken at the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation at 855-BCI-OHIO (224-6446) or the Pike County Sheriff's Office at 740-947-2111.

A $10,000 Crime Stoppers reward would be paid for any information that leads to apprehension of suspects and a conviction in the case
Jake is a trained liar!
Thank you Johnny from those of us who have used up our free views, I appreciate it.
 
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New info on jakes docket is posted

Saw his next pre-trial hearing date 4/4/19. Anything else? Not noticing anything else new.
 
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Come on Myland you can't tease us like that. PM it to me. lol

It's ok. Whatever is on the public county clerk's website is ok to post here.
 
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Oh but she does have Robin and Rita's son. They report back to her I 'm sure..... 2 Cents

You're right, what RW recalls and writes on her pants. But I'm thinking it's not quite the same as the direct contact she's accustomed to.
 
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You're right, what RW recalls and writes on her pants. But I'm thinking it's not quite the same as the direct contact she's accustomed to.
Yes not the same but I was thinking of Robin visiting George 3 and giving "personal" messages back and forth between George and Fred.
 
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Come on Myland you can't tease us like that. PM it to me. lol

01/24/2019 10. DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO COMPEL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS TO TURN OVER AND ADVISE THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY OF ALL INFORMATION ACQUIRED DURING THE COURSE OF INVESTIGATION FILE
 
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Thanks. It was posted through a news station, on Twitter. Showed James' truck and the blue car. This was during the very beginning, before all the distractions, victim blaming, etc. I will certainly do my best to find it. OMO, jmo, I've always "believed" this to be Gary's car. Reason being, there's a red sports car in Chris Srs front yard, that used to be Gary's . He clipped the front end, parked it, and I thought he was driving the blue one. Only an opinion...Also, I've heard the blue car wouldn't start, causing some u expected issues that night. Keyword "heard" so, not a fact by any means. Makes you wonder if perhaps Gary stopped by Kenny's on his way in, and then taken to Chris'. Again, all opinions from observing only. Delete this if violates please, thanks!

I'll see about that picture, and try to get it posted.
Great information NoName! Thank you!
 
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01/24/2019 10. DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO COMPEL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS TO TURN OVER AND ADVISE THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY OF ALL INFORMATION ACQUIRED DURING THE COURSE OF INVESTIGATION FILE
I think George’s or Billy’s stated the same. Is this a common motion?
 
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I think George’s or Billy’s stated the same. Is this a common motion?

Yes ****** Go Down A Ways And I Marked It ******

DEFENDANTS MOTION TO COMPEL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS
TO TURN OVER AND ADVISE THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY OF ALL INFORMATION ACQUIRED DURING THE COURSE OF INVESTIGATION

Defendant moves this Court to order all law enforcement officials involved in the investigation of this case to turn over and advise the prosecuting attorney of all information obtained during the course of this investigation.
MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT

Defendant requests that this Court order all law enforcement officials to turn over any and all information they have pertaining to the above-captioned case. Defendant uses the term law enforcement official broadly to include at least all those persons and positions referenced in O.R.C. § 2901.01(A)(11)(a)-(m). They should also be directed to refrain from exercising any independent editorial control or censorship over what should be turned over to the prosecuting attorney. In short, they must turn over all information to the prosecuting attorney. This motion is a necessary corollary to Defendants other discovery motions.
The knowledge of the prosecuting attorneys agents will be imputed to the prosecutor. See Youngblood v. West Virginia, 547 U.S. 867, 870; Giglio v. United States, 405 U.S. 150, 154 (1972). “The individual prosecutor has a duty to learn of any favorable evidence known to the others acting on the governments behalf in the case, including the police.” Kyles v. Whitley, 514 U.S. 419, 438 (1995). A constitutional violation of the duty to disclose favorable evidence occurs when the government fails to turn over even evidence that is known only to police investigators and not to the prosecutor.” Youngblood, 547 U.S. at 508 (footnote omitted).
As a practical matter, however, the defense will not get proper discovery if the prosecuting attorney has only constructive, not actual knowledge of discoverable information. Counsel for the defense desires proper discovery, not a post-conviction issue built upon the post-trial discovery of undisclosed favorable evidence. By compelling law enforcement officials to pass along all information related to this case, the parties can be assured that all discoverable information will come to the attention of the prosecuting attorney. The prosecuting attorney will then be in a position to disclose this information and avoid the legal ramifications of the failure to disclose information that the police wittingly or unwittingly failed to give the prosecutor.

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Appellate case law reveals the all-too-common situation in a criminal case where counsel for both parties were surprised to learn during trial that police officers harbored information that they never disclosed. This is a risk that cannot be countenanced in a capital case, and can be guarded against if this Court grants this motion.

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This cautious step is constitutionally mandated in a capital case in order to vindicate the defendants State and Federal constitutional rights to effective assistance of counsel, due process of law, equal protection of the law, confrontation of the States evidence, and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment. U.S. Const. amends. V, VI, VIII, and XIV; Ohio Const. art. I, §§ 1, 2, 5, 10, 16, and 20.

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As the United States Supreme Courts jurisprudence has made evident, death is different; for that reason more process is due, not less. See Lockett v. Ohio, 438 U.S. 586, 605 (1978); Woodson v. North Carolina, 428 U.S. 280, 305 (1976) (plurality opinion). It is well settled that when a State opts to act in a field where its action has significant discretionary elements, it must nonetheless act in accord with the dictates of the Constitution and, in particular, in accord with the Due Process Clause. Evitts v. Lucey, 469 U.S. 387, 401 (1985). This is all the more so when a petitioners life interest, protected by the life, liberty and property language in the Due Process Clause, is at stake in the proceeding. Ohio Adult Parole Authority v. Woodard, 523 U.S. 272, 288 (1998) (OConnor, Souter, Ginsberg, and Breyer, J.J., concurring); id. at 291 (Stevens, J., dissenting) (recognizing a distinct, continuing, life interest protected by the Due Process Clause in capital cases). All measures must be taken to prevent arbitrary, cruel, and unusual results in a capital trial. See Lockett, 438 U.S. at 604; Woodson, 428 U.S. at 304-05.
For these reasons, this Court should issue an order compelling law enforcement officials to turn over and advise the prosecuting attorney of all information acquired during the course of investigation.
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I hereby certify that a copy of the foregoing DEFENDANTS MOTION TO COMPEL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS TO TURN OVER AND ADVISE THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY OF ALL INFORMATION ACQUIRED DURING THE COURSE OF INVESTIGATION
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I think George’s stated the same. Is this a common motion?

IDK. It seems to cover any instance in which LE has evidence regarding the cases that they haven't turned over to the prosecuting attorney. It may just be standard due diligence on behalf of the attorney. It could also mean the defense might make an issue of LE hiding something like exculpatory evidence? IANAL, JMO.

Exculpatory evidence - Wikipedia

Maybe its a way to help throw out some "red herrings". JMO, defense attorneys will likely try to make it seem as if someone else committed the murders, that Rhodens had zillions of enemies waiting to murder them. If they can find any evidence that LE turned up that doesn't exactly point to them as the killers, they may want to take advantage of it.

JMO, and I've been wrong about a lot of stuff in this case.

ETA: Thanks for the text Cool Cats!

Appellate case law reveals the all-too-common situation in a criminal case where counsel for both parties were surprised to learn during trial that police officers harbored information that they never disclosed. This is a risk that cannot be countenanced in a capital case, and can be guarded against if this Court grants this motion. This cautious step is constitutionally mandated in a capital case in order to vindicate the defendants State and Federal constitutional rights to effective assistance of counsel, due process of law, equal protection of the law, confrontation of the States evidence, and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment. U.S. Const. amends. V, VI, VIII, and XIV; Ohio Const. art. I, §§ 1, 2, 5, 10, 16, and 20.

BBM

Yes, this has turned up in some death penalty cases, with defense attorneys discovering that LE had other evidence they didn't turn over to prosecution. That said, such evidence may or may not be relevant, e.g. some mentally ill person confessing to the crimes, fingerprints belonging to other people, etc. Motion says it's standard in DP cases.

ETA2: It's probably an effective tactic in getting jurors to vote for a life sentence instead of DP. From what I've read, that's what most defense atty's consider a victory in DP cases - getting a lesser penalty, though still guilty.
 
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Really curious about the scene in the movie. Wondering if its the prayers the brothers recite before killing their victims. Surely Billy isn't dumb enough to get that prayer tattooed on his body.

Just thinking out loud.
 
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Written by Laura Pettler, Ph.D., LPI

Last week on The Dr. Oz Show, we tackled the murders of the Rhoden Family in Pike County, Ohio. On the night of April 22, 2016, eight members of the Rhoden family were murdered in their homes across four crime scenes. While eight murders “at one time” meets the general definition of mass murder, my overarching opinion was that they were actually individual murders most likely committed by more than one offender at the same time. Not including serial homicide, generally speaking, murder is conflict resolution for the offender or offenders. Let’s take a closer look at the Rhoden family murders and my unofficial profile of the killer or killers.


There are many kinds of homicide, such as infanticide, mariticide, and uxoricide. That is the killing of an infant, husband by his wife, and wife by her husband respectively. Regardless of what type of homicide you’re studying, the best practice is to study across at least these four categories: Victimology, Crime Scene Dynamics, Homicidal Pattern, and Offender Profile. In many cases, aspects or elements of the latter can be derived from the first three. Let’s start with the victims in this case:

  • Christopher Rhoden, Sr. – Patriarch of the family; divorced from Dana Rhoden; father of Frankie, Hanna, and Chris Rhoden, Jr.; large marijuana growing operator on Rhoden family property
  • Gary Rhoden – Chris Rhoden, Sr.’s cousin
  • Ken Rhoden – Chris Rhoden, Sr.’s brother
  • Dana Rhoden – Chris Rhoden, Sr.’s ex-wife; mother of Frankie, Hanna, and Chris Rhoden, Jr.
  • Frankie Rhoden – Chris Rhoden, Sr. and Dana Rhoden’s eldest son
  • Hanna May Rhoden – Chris Rhoden, Sr. and Dana Rhoden’s daughter; mother to Sophia Wagner
  • Chris Rhoden, Jr. – Chris Rhoden, Sr. and Dana Rhoden’s youngest son
  • Hannah Gilley – Intimate Partner of Chris Rhoden, Jr.; mother of Ruger Lee Rhoden
Victimology tells us that all eight victims, in this case, share the common denominator that they are all part of the same family, except Hannah Gilley who is in an interpersonal relationship with Chris Rhoden, Jr. However, when delving into the victimology of each victim separately, that’s where we begin to learn who each victim is as an individual; if they are in conflict with anyone in their lives, factors that increase or decrease their risk of becoming a victim of violent crime, and their lifestyles. Chris Rhoden, Sr. and cousin Gary were killed in their home on Chris Rhoden, Sr.’s property, the location of an illegal marijuana growing operation, which increased their likelihood of becoming victims of violent crime. A mile away eldest son Frankie Rhoden and fiancé Hannah Gilley were killed in their bed as their infant son slept between them. The child was unharmed. Dana, Hanna, and Chris, Jr., were killed in their home also located on the same road. Finally, Ken Rhoden was discovered eight miles away dead in his home. Eight murders and four crime scenes later it begs the question: Who is in conflict with the victim(s)?

At first glance, it appears that Chris Rhoden, Sr.’s drug operation is the center of conflict for this family. However, there are alternatives to consider. Each individual has to be studied meticulously sifting through the evidence to determine if the preceding conflict is present. Based on my education, training, and experience as a forensic criminologist, my opinion is that the most common conflicts that preempt murder are affairs, divorce, custody, child support, sex, money, power, and anger. Clearly, most of these can overlap.

Now let’s take a closer look at the crime scene dynamics and characteristics:

  • Nighttime
  • Indoors
  • Close Range
When asking “why?” the answer is always the same…because it meets the needs of the offender.

So why nighttime? Because it meets the needs of the offender. The fact that these murders took place at night is telling because the offender or offenders is telling us he, she, or they wanted to ambush each victim when they were most vulnerable…while they were sleeping. Nighttime: provides natural cover, less risk of detection with fewer people traveling the roads, and most likely sleeping victims. Choosing nighttime tells us that the offender or offenders most likely were familiar with the routine activities of the victims overall.

Why indoors? Because it meets the needs of the offender. All of the murders occurred indoors as opposed to while the victims were at work, school, in the yard, driving, etc. Considering the alternatives compared to indoors, which is the easiest? That’s right. Indoors: closed-room murder, concealed, private, muffled, etc.

Why “close range?” And to be clear, I mean as opposed to a sniper type shot or more than 20 yards away outdoor type shooting. Same answer: Because it meets the needs of the offender. Sometimes this type of murder is called “execution style,” which means that the victims are trapped and cannot escape their attackers. Close range or in this case, execution-style murders, are usually carried out by firearm. The offender or offenders wanted to increase the likelihood of killing their victims by shooting at close range as opposed to from far away. Close range in each of the four homes tells us the offender or offenders had some familiarity with the floor plans of each of the homes.

Next, we can observe aspects of homicidal pattern from these crime scenes. These attacks while coordinated and synchronized, it is important to recognize that each individual victim is killed by aiming a firearm and pulling the trigger directly at each victim maybe one at a time, maybe at the same time. The murders were premeditated and well planned, resulting in organized crime scenes with the slight exception of Chris Rhoden, Sr.’s murder, which some might argue due to the wound pattern on the victim that Chris pushing back against the threat came unexpectedly by the offender or offenders, hence firing multiple times to stop the threat. Organized crime scenes are a symbol of the offender or the offenders wanting to remain in complete control. But there’s more…the wound patterns, we’re going to get to that.

Let’s look at location macro to micro: the murders occurred in North America in the United States. In the state of Ohio in Pike County on Union Hill Road on four specific properties all with mobile homes belonging to the same family. Behavior is purposeful, not random, except in some cases of where psychosis is present or other deficits. Therefore, the murders of these eight victims is deliberate, purposeful, and specific. The victims were targeted, not selected at random. In mass murder cases like the Los Vegas Shooting last year, those victims were random, yet part of the same group of “concert attendees” targeted by the shooter. The crime scene locations tell us that the offenders were familiar with Pike County, familiar with Union Hill Road, knew how to get in, out, around, and about with the least likelihood of being detected, etc. The offender or offenders knew the addresses of each victim, the directions for how to reach the crime scenes on foot, by car, or by other means like an ATV, horse, etc.

The wound patterns to the victims tell us a lot that helps us develop an Offender Profile. The crime scenes and wound patterns show us the offenders knew the victims especially in the case of Dana Rhoden, who suffered two gunshot wounds to each side of her head and a fifth under her chin. This wound pattern is extremely specific, the offender or offenders chose to shoot Dana in extremely specific locations out of anger? Maybe. Because she’s seen as the core of the conflict? Maybe. What we do know is that Dana’s murder is different than the others in terms of the wound pattern, which raises a red flag and directs us to ask the question: Who is in conflict with Dana?

As an expert in crime scene staging, one of the things I took into careful consideration was the sophistication, education, training, and experience of the offenders. The offender or offenders demonstrated ambition and dedication to carrying out the attacks on all eight family members in one night as opposed to alternatives, such as but not limited to over months or years. There were some elements of sophistication, education, training, and experience evident in the reported facts about the crime scenes and wound patterns because it appears all victims were shot in a similar manner, which required familiarity with firearms and in good practice. The execution-style shots to the eyeball methodology met the needs of the offender, but in some cases, I’ve seen shots to the eyes of victims that were not meant for their eyes, rather the shooter simply aimed for the heads and ended up shooting multiple victims in the eyes. Crime scene staging is a function of victim relationships meaning only offenders who have some relationship to the victims’ stage because they know they will be the most likely suspect, so they take precautions on the front end…and on the back end (which is where we catch them most often by the way). So did the offender or offenders insert elements of crime scene staging to detract attention from people the Rhodens knew towards pointing the finger at an outsider?

The fact that no children were harmed in the attacks demonstrated the offender or offenders’ personal boundary. Maybe they have children of their own, grandchildren, or work with children? These were all things I considered before the arrest of the Rhodens’ neighbors, four members of the Wagner family. When investigators would have studied Hanna May Rhoden, they would have discovered her daughter Sophia was fathered by Jake Wagner who sought full custody days before Hanna and her family’s murders. Custody was denied, but after Hanna was killed, Jake filed for full custody days after her death. Was Dana in the middle of this custody dispute, fostering it, shielding Hanna, providing resources for her that kept Jake from getting custody? Maybe. Regardless, whoever killed Dana Rhoden didn’t like her, was very angry with her, and wanted to see her suffer and cause her deliberate pain.

While other theories like the mafia, a drug cartel hit, a professional hitman, etc. swirled in the two years since the Rhodens were killed, asking the question, “who is in conflict with the victim?” seems to get the ball rolling in the right direction. I personally did not opine these murders were really a true “mass murder”, but instead individual murders all achieved on the same night to serve the same purpose: to keep a secret, take over their business, or to resolve some other conflict with one or more Rhoden family members in one fell swoop.

The four Wagner family members are now charged and the People of Pike County, the survivors of the Rhoden family, including the orphaned children, and law enforcement can rest a little easier knowing four allegedly violent, aggressive individuals are in custody removing their ability to harm any additional targets they might set their sights upon.

May justice prevail.



Forensic criminologist, North Carolina licensed private investigator, and IAI certified senior crime scene analyst, Dr. Laura Pettler is one of the world’s foremost experts in crime scene staging and domestic violence homicide. She is well known for her dynamic presentation style: With a background in show business, Laura calls her presentation style “edutainment” and believes that human connection is one of the most fundamental principles of leadership and being able to earn the respect of an audience. Additionally, Laura is known for her sheer passion for using her life to make a difference and for being a pioneer in staging research and cutting-edge homicide investigation practice
 
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Maybe not enough coffee this morning, but I didn't remember seeing "this man" sitting next to FW. BIG EDIT: Definately, lack of coffee and contact lenses...this man was sitting at table. I didn't notice him before, sorry. But since I got your attention:D, can anyone explain how & why & when a defendant pays for their own monitoring....if they haven't been convicted of anything, yet?
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It's the price they pay for being out on bond. I haven't paid close attention but does she have an ankle monitor? Is that what you're talking about ? If so, it's not cheap and the defendant usually pays.
 
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Wednesday, April 27, 2016
The Rhoden Family Murders: An Inside Job

Armchair profiler is back...drawn out of hibernation by a new high-profile case in her home state of Ohio: the recent murder of the Rhoden family in Pike County, Ohio.

Right off the bat, I can say this isn't a cartel killing. While the family was involved in some illegal activity, that was not necessarily related to their deaths. A couple of things hint that this was an inside job.

The perpetrator had very intimate knowledge of the family. The victims were sought at multiple locations, and he had to know how to find each one. At each location, he was able to access the house without forced entry, probably because he had keys or knew where to find keys hidden on the property. Once inside the houses, he was able to move about without waking anyone - an ease that comes with familiarity.

The targeting of the whole family, including teenagers, is also a sign this isn't a cartel hit. Maybe that kind of thing happens in Mexico, but rarely in the US. Cartels are big businesses. They make a lot of money, and they are run by CEO type people, people who are very business-minded, not the hot-tempered gangsters you see on TV. Actually, a more accurate representation would be Gustav Fring from Breaking Bad, with his cool, calculating demeanor. And these organizations make very business-like decisions. The benefits of punishing insubordination (getting your money from them, sending a message to others, etc) must be weighed against the cost: drawing the attention of law enforcement to your operation. In Mexico, the cost is minimal because law enforcement is in the pocket of the cartels, so anything goes. But in the US, cartels must be much more careful to cover their tracks. If they are going to take out anyone, they are going to do so on a small scale. Target just the people who are giving you problems. Anything more than that - the murder of women and children - will become a big media sensation, and they don't need that kind of scrutiny. It hinders their ability to make money.

I find it amusing whenever situations like this happen and people concoct these scenarios based on things they see on TV or movies. In fact, you can often tell when people are lying when their stories have a movie-like quality to them. For most people, that is their only reference. Real life is much more mundane. That's why they call it the banality of evil
 
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My THEORY AND OPINION: The clip I would say is most relevant is this short clip that I transcribed (or" transcribbled" if such a word exists as I was trying to listen to a couple of actors trying to use Irish-Hollywood accents) is this: Warning on the language, so you may just want to read and put your computer on mute.
Bro 1: There's decent men, with loving families. They go home every day after work. they turn on the news show, they see rapists, murderers and child molesters and they're all getting out of prison.
Bro 2: Mafioso getting caught with 20 kilos, getting out on bail.
Bro 1: Everywhere, everyone is just thinking the same thing, "Someone should just kill these mo-fos" (🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 is a euphemism for actual words spoken)
Bro 2: Yeah, kill them.... kill them all.
(The last line is really disturbing, because 8 human lives were taken. However, in the movie violence against women or children was not part of the violence in the movie.)
Above is the dialogue from the clip I think the prosecutors are focusing upon from BDSaints, IN MY OPINION, It summarizes the thoughts the W's might have about the Rhodens and society in general. R's had recent clashes that were on their FB's and some teens making threats, a woman brandishing a gun, etc. Their resentments were mounting, W4's worked themselves up, and into self-righteous vigilantes. Maybe they were reading or monitoring recent events.
(It was a movie, a satire on violence... not a mandate from The Almighty.) If any of you are so inclined to review the script, I have also attached a link to it. Again, it contains profanity and alludes to gratuitous violence and something one would not expose a young, impressionable mind to, for an evening of movie viewing. Pleeez, do not listen, watch or read if you are offended by cursing or talk of hurting other people. It is pretty bad. Just scroll past my post, it is entirely understandable.
Boondock Saints Transcript- Full Dialogue
 
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