OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#43

[JustaboyFromMS]

Sooo not true! AW is the one that gave the child the pill so TB would lose custody.

Do you have a link or is that just your opinion?

 

[Loomis124]

I saw it a year ago

Link please. I withdraw my comment pending your link.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

I don't know why your name would be unusual in the South. I am from the South and neither the first or second word of your screen name would be unusual to me, my friends or relatives. What is so different in/about the South?

I do know people named Barry in the South, North, East and West. I do not know anyone with the other name in the country but I thought it might be just me. However, a Google Search shows that it is rarely if ever used.

I know it's in the Urban Dictionary from a Video Game tho. I won't c/p that tho.

jmo. moo.

I don't know why your name would be unusual in the South. I am from the South and neither the first or second word of your screen name would be unusual to me, my friends or relatives. What is so different in/about the South?

I do know people named Barry in the South, North, East and West. I do not know anyone with the other name in the country but I thought it might be just me. However, a Google Search shows that it is rarely if ever used.

I know it's in the Urban Dictionary from a Video Game tho. I won't c/p that tho.

jmo. moo.

Some original names you won't find a lot through searches simply because people will prefer using a more practical nickname instead.

The boy could have been called "George V" (G5). Look him up on Wikipedia. We'd have a theory for it.

A father is taking care of his child because the mother can't. Great! If he wasn't stepping up to the responsibility, we'be worried.

There isn't "a case" on everything here. That's what I mean.

As for my name: I was referring to my 2 syllable first name, not my family name.

Readers should take some of my comments more lightly. There are purposely intended to insert a bit of humour or curiosity. The thread is dark enough with autopsy of corpses, weapons, and horrific murder stories. A bit more light will help us see more clearly.

I will come back when new information is published.

 

[Cool Cats]

Some original names you won't find a lot through searches simply because people will prefer using a more practical nickname instead.

The boy could have been called "George V" (G5). Look him up on Wikipedia. We'd have a theory for it.

A father is taking care of his child because the mother can't. Great! If he wasn't stepping up to the responsibility, we'be worried.

There isn't "a case" on everything here. That's what I mean.

As for my name: I was referring to my 2 syllable first name, not my family name.

Readers should take some of my comments more lightly. There are purposely intended to insert a bit of humour or curiosity. The thread is dark enough with autopsy of corpses, weapons, and horrific murder stories. A bit more light will help us see more clearly.

I will come back when new information is published.

@Jonas_Klein....LESS DARK:
LEONARD MANLEY (not Lenord Wagner)
lenord wagner in court - Bing images
WITH THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR ANGELA CANEPA

 

[Loomis124]

LESS DARK.......LEONARD MANLEY (not Lenord Wagner)
lenord wagner in court - Bing images
WITH THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR ANGELA CANEPA

Cool Cats, with all due respect, I saw this in one of the arraignments early on. This is not new news. What is the big deal? I'd be hugging her too! And he's Leonard Manley, family of victims; not Wagner, suspects in these murders. No ill will intended. My humble opinion. Thanks, CC!

 

[Cool Cats]

Cool Cats, with all due respect, I saw this in one of the arraignments early on. This is not new news. What is the big deal? I'd be hugging her too! And he's Leonard Manley, family of victims; not Wagner, suspects in these murders. No ill will intended. My humble opinion. Thanks, CC!

It was meant for @Jonas_Klein, (right now) he needed to see something uplifting about the case in my opinion. It is a big deal. Justice is a big deal for those families, that's the point.
PS....
I already had corrected his name in my post.
geneva rhoden - Bing images

 

[OhioBlues]

Some original names you won't find a lot through searches simply because people will prefer using a more practical nickname instead.

The boy could have been called "George V" (G5). Look him up on Wikipedia. We'd have a theory for it.

A father is taking care of his child because the mother can't. Great! If he wasn't stepping up to the responsibility, we'be worried.

There isn't "a case" on everything here. That's what I mean.

As for my name: I was referring to my 2 syllable first name, not my family name.

Readers should take some of my comments more lightly. There are purposely intended to insert a bit of humour or curiosity. The thread is dark enough with autopsy of corpses, weapons, and horrific murder stories. A bit more light will help us see more clearly.

I will come back when new information is published.

Your 2 syllable first name is well known to me. You said your comments should be taken with humor or curiosity. The South does know that name if you were curious.

I am not the one that brought up the name. There is a wee difference between your first name not being Jason and the BW name. These kids might review the SM posts some day so I won't elaborate further. His peers will not make life easy at all.

As far as his father stepping up and accepting responsibility for him or we would all be worried etc? I thought the child was in foster care and his dad is responsible for not being there for him (allegedly). If that is true, it is more than heartbreaking.

jmo. moo.

 

[Loomis124]

Your 2 syllable first name is well known to me. You said your comments should be taken with humor or curiosity. The South does know that name if you were curious.

I am not the one that brought up the name. There is a wee difference between your first name not being Jason and the BW name. These kids might review the SM posts some day so I won't elaborate further. His peers will not make life easy at all.

As far as his father stepping up and accepting responsibility for him or we would all be worried etc? I thought the child was in foster care and his dad is responsible for not being there for him (allegedly). If that is true, it is more than heartbreaking.

jmo. moo.

Absolutely good post!!

 

[Loomis124]

It was meant for @Jonas_Klein, (right now) he needed to see something uplifting about the case in my opinion. It is a big deal. Justice is a big deal for those families, that's the point.
PS....
I already had corrected his name in my post.
geneva rhoden - Bing images

I meant in no way, form or fashion to imply that justice is not a big deal to the families of the victims...sorry, I guess I unknowingly got in the middle of something. Please forgive me.

But I love this pic of AC and LManley.

 

[Cool Cats]

I meant in no way, form or fashion to imply that justice is not a big deal to the families of the victims...sorry, I guess I unknowingly got in the middle of something. Please forgive me.

But I love this pic of AC and LManley.

No prob. I enjoy our written discourse. It's a sad sad case. I was looking for a bright spot....

 

[sunshineray]

I know what you are talking about with the name. My guess is that the W's managed to pull that off thru control, intimidation and fear. MOO. I want to know how they thought of that name. Jmo

When I originally looked into that name I found four references. One was on Create your own Pokemon Project, another for World of Warcraft there's a character with that name, Urban Dictionary definition: "Old School Gamer that started his killing career in UO and continues today. Egotistical, Slanderous and mean spirited. Also known to be used in conjuction with death spam. Gaming God among mortal men." There's also
a poster to the WOW forum boards with that name.

 

[sunshineray]

I read somewhere that TB had a child that had to go to the hospital over it taking a Zan-X never pill Angela was there early that day to bring BW home CPS was called that’s how GW got his son!

I believe that happened after GW3 already had custody of his son. TB was taking her daughter to FW'S place to have some time with her brother. IIRC

 

[Jayejayehilltop]

I don't know why your name would be unusual in the South. I am from the South and neither the first or second word of your screen name would be unusual to me, my friends or relatives. What is so different in/about the South?

I do know people named Barry in the South, North, East and West. I do not know anyone with the other name in the country but I thought it might be just me. However, a Google Search shows that it is rarely if ever used.

I know it's in the Urban Dictionary from a Video Game tho. I won't c/p that tho.

jmo. moo.

I don't find the name Jonas unusual, I don't personally know anyone by that name but have certainly heard of it from others, tv, movies etc

 

[Jayejayehilltop]

It was meant for @Jonas_Klein, (right now) he needed to see something uplifting about the case in my opinion. It is a big deal. Justice is a big deal for those families, that's the point.
PS....
I already had corrected his name in my post.
geneva rhoden - Bing images

Loved the post picture of Leonard hugging her!

 

[Cool Cats]

Loved the post picture of Leonard hugging her!

Thankx. Just because alot of people have already seen the picture doesn't mean everyone has seen it. And for those of us who have seen it before, It's heartwarming to see it again!

 

[Ann99]

Adams County Common Pleas Court - Record Search

ADAMS County Ohio Court of Common Pleas. Google it if link doesn't work. GW and TW Dissolution with children...filed 11/26/14 by GW and Magistrate decision filed 1/21/15 Marriage Dissolved.

It is my OPINION, from all I have learned, that the Xanax incident was when TB brought her second baby over to AWs home to visit BW, the baby's stepbrother; TW left the baby alone with AW for a few minutes while she visited BW. After TW got home, her baby became lethargic and would not take its bottle. She took it to the hospital immediately and they found the drug in the baby's system and charged the mother. She later regained custody of the baby.

Now, everyone can make a decision based on one "heard" story posted by Johnny B B or this one, "the other side of the story".

Or the Moderators can delete both.

Loomis, this is basically what I remember hearing too, although since there is no documentation....(although there could be - in sealed court documents, a anything involving a minor child is usually sealed by the courts...)
I’m not at home, without access to my notes, but can someone say if in any of the indictments in Rhoden Murders (or additional filings) against any of the Wagners, mentions a date of 11/26/14. Or a date in that general time frame?
^ When GW4 filed for dissolution.
If you look at his case file on this, you won’t see much because records pertaining to the child are sealed.
I hope I got this right, I’m working on memory only, so consider this supposition, theory and opinion only. My way of thinking, I see a pattern of control starting in 11/2014.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Loomis, this is basically what I remember hearing too, although since there is no documentation....(although there could be - in sealed court documents, a anything involving a minor child is usually sealed by the courts...)
I’m not at home, without access to my notes, but can someone say if in any of the indictments in Rhoden Murders (or additional filings) against any of the Wagners, mentions a date of 11/26/14. Or a date in that general time frame?
^ When GW4 filed for dissolution.
If you look at his case file on this, you won’t see much because records pertaining to the child are sealed.
I hope I got this right, I’m working on memory only, so consider this supposition, theory and opinion only. My way of thinking, I see a pattern of control starting in 11/2014.

Looks like a pattern of a evil family!

 

[Cool Cats]

Loomis, this is basically what I remember hearing too, although since there is no documentation....(although there could be - in sealed court documents, a anything involving a minor child is usually sealed by the courts...)
I’m not at home, without access to my notes, but can someone say if in any of the indictments in Rhoden Murders (or additional filings) against any of the Wagners, mentions a date of 11/26/14. Or a date in that general time frame?
^ When GW4 filed for dissolution.
If you look at his case file on this, you won’t see much because records pertaining to the child are sealed.
I hope I got this right, I’m working on memory only, so consider this supposition, theory and opinion only. My way of thinking, I see a pattern of control starting in 11/2014.

Your correct on your theory ann99! Very interesting, good call.
2 Counts of the Wagner 's Indictments do encompass November 2014.

Count #19...Tampering with Evidence.
Dates are listed as July 1st, 2014 through May 9th, 2017.
https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/20b6zw25c06qn5xt/images/26-e7476944fa.jpg

And Count #20...Interception of Wire, Oral, or Electronic Communications.
Dates are listed again as July 1st, 2014 through May 9th 2017.
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/20b6zw25c06qn5xt/images/27-fece5361ef.jpg

Thankx to you pointing it out, it now looks to me (2 Cents) like both brothers were plotting together to eventually gain custody of their kids starting way back in 2014 when they started heavily spying on the Rhodens. I bet it was the 2 brothers who started the surveillance and did most, if not all, of the stalking/spying/surveillance.

 

[Ann99]

Your correct on your theory ann99! Very interesting, good call.
2 Counts of the Wagner 's Indictments do encompass November 2014.

Count #19...Tampering with Evidence.
Dates are listed as July 1st, 2014 through May 9th, 2017.
https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/20b6zw25c06qn5xt/images/26-e7476944fa.jpg

And Count #20...Interception of Wire, Oral, or Electronic Communications.
Dates are listed again as July 1st, 2014 through May 9th 2017.
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/20b6zw25c06qn5xt/images/27-fece5361ef.jpg

Thankx to you pointing it out, it now looks to me (2 Cents) like both brothers were plotting together to eventually gain custody of their kids starting way back in 2014 when they started heavily spying on the Rhodens. I bet it was the 2 brothers who started the surveillance and did most, if not all, of the stalking/spying/surveillance.

Thanks for confirmation on the dates.
It was going to bother me all day long.
Our thinking is similar, but I put the plotting on AW.

Following is rambling supposition, speculation, my opinion.

Seems to me that AW wanted total control of her grandchildren, children of her sons, GW4 and Jake.
And the “men” went along with the plan.

How might this need by AW to have custody of these children fit in with AW plan to move to Alaska.
I could never gauge how long before 4/22 AW had talked about moving to Alaska. But it eventually proved to be a serious discussion. They did move to Alaska. And the 4 + 2 of them did a whole lot to make it possible.
We know this required legal documentation at the border to indicate GW4 & Jake had legal custody of the children & requirement was fulfilled
Were they moving to Alaska to get away from FW who was holding all the property and money and not “sharing” as AW and Billy may have though was fair?
Idk, just trying to figure out this Alaska aspect. It seemed drastic and dramatic.

If the newborn baby had turned out to be Jakes child...
Wondering how that would have changed the plans...

Finally FW and AW both appear to be very strong willed women who might not get along well with each other in family power struggles. Unless they absolutely had to work together for a common goal.

I just don’t see what FW was going to gain from this huge plan or plot. Unless FW was happy to see all of them leave town permanently.
Does anyone know or have a reason to speculate as to AW relationship with RW (if it is allowed)
I’ll bet it was not good
FW didn’t go to Alaska too, did she?
If she did, my theory needs more work

 

[Dudly]

Thanks for confirmation on the dates.
It was going to bother me all day long.
Our thinking is similar, but I put the plotting on AW.

Following is rambling supposition, speculation, my opinion.

Seems to me that AW wanted total control of her grandchildren, children of her sons, GW4 and Jake.
And the “men” went along with the plan.

How might this need by AW to have custody of these children fit in with AW plan to move to Alaska.
I could never gauge how long before 4/22 AW had talked about moving to Alaska. But it eventually proved to be a serious discussion. They did move to Alaska. And the 4 + 2 of them did a whole lot to make it possible.
We know this required legal documentation at the border to indicate GW4 & Jake had legal custody of the children & requirement was fulfilled
Were they moving to Alaska to get away from FW who was holding all the property and money and not “sharing” as AW and Billy may have though was fair?
Idk, just trying to figure out this Alaska aspect. It seemed drastic and dramatic.

If the newborn baby had turned out to be Jakes child...
Wondering how that would have changed the plans...

Finally FW and AW both appear to be very strong willed women who might not get along well with each other in family power struggles. Unless they absolutely had to work together for a common goal.

I just don’t see what FW was going to gain from this huge plan or plot. Unless FW was happy to see all of them leave town permanently.
Does anyone know or have a reason to speculate as to AW relationship with RW (if it is allowed)
I’ll bet it was not good
FW didn’t go to Alaska too, did she?
If she did, my theory needs more work

I believe JW knew K was not his. Claiming she might be made it look like he and HR were on good terms and therefore he would not do this. Had she turned out to be his it would have been "icing on the cake" for their endeavors.