OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#44

[Tiff23fr]

That's a good summary, Thanks! JMO, this indicates there were at least 3 shooters

There were two different guns and types of ammo used at CR1's trailer, based on ballistics
There were two shooters at Frankie's trailer as he and Hannah Gilley were both shot on opposite sides of the bed, almost simultaneously. Neither had the chance to move or react.

JMO, that means two shooters using the same type of ammo, plus a third shooter using a different type of weapon with larger caliber ammo.

Does this indicate it was Billy Wags, GW4 and Jake in the homes, doing the shooting? Does that leave AW out driving around to serve as lookout, driver and to scout the other victims' homes and whereabouts?

With the opposite sides on HG and FR, does anyone else think this means a shot came from the area of the window?

 

[Cool Cats]

With the opposite sides on HG and FR, does anyone else think this means a shot came from the area of the window?

No. The killers were right next to the victims. IF the bed was away from the wall it would be relatively easy for one shooter to stand on Frankie's side of the bed and one on HG's side of the bed. Cowards.

COLUMBUS, Ohio — All of the Pike County massacre victims were shot in the head at point-blank range and seven of the eight were shot multiple times, according to preliminary autopsy reports viewed by the WCPO I-Team Wednesday.

All eight victims - seven Rhoden family members and one's fiancee - were shot with the gun barrel touching their skin or very, very close to it – just centimeters or inches away, the coroner determined.
Rhodens shot in head at point-blank range

 

[Tiff23fr]

No. The killers were right next to the victims.

COLUMBUS, Ohio — All of the Pike County massacre victims were shot in the head at point-blank range and seven of the eight were shot multiple times, according to preliminary autopsy reports viewed by the WCPO I-Team Wednesday.

All eight victims - seven Rhoden family members and one's fiancee - were shot with the gun barrel touching their skin or very, very close to it – just centimeters or inches away, the coroner determined.
Rhodens shot in head at point-blank range

I could be incorrect, but it seems the bed placement in the room could make that a challenge? Can anyone confirm if the bed was against a wall?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I've considered walkie talkies, too. Could they have also used "burner phones"? JMO, if burner phones, LE could possibly still locate records for the burner phone activity on local cell phone towers. It wouldn't be too difficult, considering there probably wasn't a lot of cell phone activity in that area in the middle of a weeknight. Do we know the location of all the cell phone towers in the area of Union Hill Rd?

Here's a link to some maps with cell phone tower info:

Who's the Best Carrier In Waverly? 73 People Agree It's This.

Looks like there's one (Verizon) at 233 Union Hill Rd near Hwy 32.
Another across the highway at 277 Mouser Rd.
Another at 5829 State Rt 772, Rarden, OH. - that one says it belongs to State of Ohio, Dept of Admin. Svcs.

More at link. You can click in the corner of the map to expand it to full screen.

The one tower on UHR is close to the church (Pastor Phil's) If you're on 32 West just before UHR turn to right, you can look up the hill and see it and the church.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I could be incorrect, but it seems the bed placement in the room could make that a challenge? Can anyone confirm if the bed was against a wall?

I will see what I can find out for you, if anything. Lately it seems like most everyone is fairly close lipped, not sure what's up with that unless some think they will get papers??

 

[Dudly]

Which defendant listed this Journal Entry?

Hmm, dunno. Was the entry filed under a certain persons name? TIA

It is listed under GWIV in this link that was posted:
https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/eservices/search.page.3?x=3wMJ1zPtzYQpIdIARVTmSQ

 

[Dudly]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed>

I did NOT make the HUGE TEXT and I don't even know HOW to. I think it looks weird.... I only COPIED the articles and this is how the articles came out. Period.

Highlight the text and click the A with the up/down arrow beside it to change the size...

 

[Cool Cats]

I could be incorrect, but it seems the bed placement in the room could make that a challenge? Can anyone confirm if the bed was against a wall?

....My 2 Cents....

Only those close to the family and those who were in their bedrooms and the investigators on the case etc....would know the position of the bed.
One or 2 killers could have stood on one side of the bed and fired.

It could be only one shooter with 8 rounds in his automatic, or 2 shooters and one shot Frankie 3 times and one shot HG 5 times.

Regardless, It takes all of 3 or less seconds to fire an automatic (mentioned in the indictments) 3 times, which is the number of gunshots Frankie substained.

Then it takes, what, 2 seconds to turn the gun on HG? HG was still in the fetal position nursing Ruger and Frankie was on his back when shot.

This happened very quickly, seconds. It takes at least 30 seconds to a minute --- probably more---to hear noise while your sleeping and then to wake up.

These "monsters" as Jake Wagner called them (yes he called the killers monsters) ambushed this family in just a matter of seconds. These coward murderers spent 10×'s longer tampering with the crime scenes.

2 Cents Only....

 

[Johnny B Bad]

That was not a quote from BJM, that was the writer's interpretation of what happened. I'm not sure CRsr being covered has been substantiated. I could be wrong, of course.

"Bobby’s first thought could have been the smell: metal and damp, like pennies clutched too long in a sweaty palm. She went down the hallway, yelling “Rhoden?” She found her sister’s ex-husband on the floor, bloodied and still, covered up. Blood caked the carpet and Bobby saw Chris Sr.’s cousin Gary Rhoden, who’d apparently been visiting, lying on the floor, too. She started to hyperventilate. She ran back to her truck, screaming for her phone."

Gary’s dad said that he was laid across Big Chris legs!

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Actually, it appears that the statement BJM made about Chris SR being covered up is closer to being a direct quote from her then what I've read in other articles.......My 2 Cents.......

From article:
"I Was Not Leaving Those Babies In There"

“I yelled Rhoden! Rhoden! Rhoden!’’ she recalled, and ran to Chris Rhoden's bedroom.
That's where she saw Gary Rhoden, 38, lying on his back. Dead. Just up from his body, she saw a bloodied Chris Rhoden, also on his back. He was dead, as
well.

From article:
"Pike County murders: Relative tells of finding victims"

She ran to Rhoden's bedroom and found Rhoden and his cousin, Gary Rhoden, 38, both dead and lying on their stomachs.

From article:
"Murder on Union Hill Road"

About an hour later, Bobby’s truck tires crunched the gravel. She spotted the Memorial Day balloons intended for the children and smiled lopsidedly.

She picked up the balloons and crossed the grass to join us.

Bobby started talking about a polygraph the police wanted her to take. The polygraph was voluntary, but she said of course she’d agreed to one. Allis told her she should have a lawyer present.

“Don’t need no lawyer,” Leonard said. “Just let them do their thing and once she gets through with that lie detector test, then she can do something about it. Hey Bobby, tell her what they been asking you.”

“How much someone paid me to kill my family,” she said. We told her that sounded hard, that we would have wanted to cry.

“I did cry,” she said. “I jumped up and I was wanting to deck them, but I caught myself just in time.”

Then she began to tell us the story of the crime scene. “I walked in,” Bobby said, “I found my brother-in-law dead. He's covered up. I pulled the cover up and said, ‘Rhoden, Rhoden’—”

I watched Leonard wander off, looking uncomfortable as he pretended to consider some grime on the side of his trailer.

“—I saw his cousin laying there and went up to my nephew’s house...... "

Are you referencing the article from the chick who made Pike County sound like the scummiest place on earth? Her entire story was a joke and full of lies and insults to the area. JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

It is listed under GWIV in this link that was posted:
https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/eservices/search.page.3?x=3wMJ1zPtzYQpIdIARVTmSQ

Thanks Dudly.

 

[Dudly]

Are you referencing the article from the chick who made Pike County sound like the scummiest place on earth? Her entire story was a joke and full of lies and insults to the area. JMO

Have you thought of becoming a verified insider with how familiar you are with the area and the Rhodens and Wagners?

 

[Puzzles8]

I just noticed this entry. What might be the reasoning for this? What involvement did Clark County have?

JOURNAL ENTRY -- THE CLERK OF COURTS OF CLARK COUNTY, HAVING BEEN APPOINTED AS SPECIAL DEPUTY CLERK OF COURTS, SHALL CONVEY INTO THE CUSTODY OF JUSTIN P. BREWSTER, CLERK OF COURTS OF PIKE COUNTY ALL DOCUMENTS AND RECORDS PERTAINING TO THIS MATTER; THE CLARK COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS IS DISCHARGED OF ANY FURTHER RESPONSIBILITIES AS SPECIAL DEPUTY CLERK COPIES FILED MAILED TO COUNSEL, DEFENDANTS, PROSECUTORS

The same 12/27/2018 Journal Entry is listed on each of the six cases. I couldn't really find much of anything about it.

My best guess is that Clark was the county the Grand Jury met in to issue the 11/13/2018 Indictments. But again, only a guess!

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Have you thought of becoming a verified insider with how familiar you are with the area and the Rhodens and Wagners?

I have thought about it.

 

[Cool Cats]

Are you referencing the article from the chick who made Pike County sound like the scummiest place on earth? Her entire story was a joke and full of lies and insults to the area. JMO

I did not like her article and thought it insulting. But she did go over to LM 's home and interview both him and Bobby. She was quoting BJM.

I was COPYING a tiny portion of her article, not debating it.

 

[Cool Cats]

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Thankx Dudly.

 

[Loomis124]

The same 12/27/2018 Journal Entry is listed on each of the six cases. I couldn't really find much of anything about it.

My best guess is that Clark was the county the Grand Jury met in to issue the 11/13/2018 Indictments. But again, only a guess!

Excellent guess....

 

[Cool Cats]

Gary’s dad said that he was laid across Big Chris legs!

Yes, thankx for pointing that out. I didn't realize it until now but I think Gary's dad is the only one who has ever said that Gary was over Chris's legs. Correct me if I'm wrong.

“My nephew was laying one way and Gary was laying over his legs. Shot three times in the head,” Kenneth Rhoden said.
'It’s a sad day, a very sad day:' Father attends first Rhoden funeral

 

[Puzzles8]

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Thank you! You don't know how long I've wondered how to do that!

 

[Cool Cats]

Thank you! You don't know how long I've wondered how to do that!

Wow! I'm not the only one! LOL