OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#44

[Deleted member 237253]

Hey Cool Cat I’ve been looking at past news reports of the night that the murders took place and I just can’t see the Wagners sneaking in on 4 different homes and shooting these people and without anyone waking up, the Wagners are obesity people except for Jake something not right I don’t think LE is telling what really happened,JMO

So you think this is just an elaborate setup to frame the W4? Is that what you're implying? And you base this off obesity?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

So you think this is just an elaborate setup to frame the W4? Is that what you're implying? And you base this off obesity?

No, I believe the Wagners are guilty but it would take a someone trained in special forces to kill the 8 people while they were asleep, the retracted part of the drug screening on their autopsy reports makes me think they could have been drugged some how it’s JMO but it is something to think about!

 

[JustaboyFromMS]

Who's hearing is next Wednesday?

 

[OhioBlues]

Who's hearing is next Wednesday?

AW 1:30

 

[Cool Cats]

Hey Cool Cat I’ve been looking at past news reports of the night that the murders took place and I just can’t see the Wagners sneaking in on 4 different homes and shooting these people and without anyone waking up, the Wagners are obesity people except for Jake something not right I don’t think LE is telling what really happened,JMO

They all look pretty capable in these photos........

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/14/13/424FE7B400000578-4683690-image-a-1_1500034211460.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/14/13/424FE4E800000578-4683690-image-a-2_1500034235472.jpg

 

[StrangeOne]

They could have killed everyone and just waited for DR to get home. Unless of course DR is the type of mom to check in on everyone before she sat down to mess around on her facebook acct. Wasn't CRj between his bed and the wall? It would indicate he was awake or or the noise woke him up.

Do we know the bedroom layouts in DR's trailer? Who's comes first?

 

[Deleted member 239597]

No, I believe the Wagners are guilty but it would take a someone trained in special forces to kill the 8 people while they were asleep, the retracted part of the drug screening on their autopsy reports makes me think they could have been drugged some how it’s JMO but it is something to think about!

could be....we aren't being told everything..... since day one....they still need to be careful as one wrong move even in this phase might ruin a conviction. I respect the fact that you are going off the evidence provided instead of making too much speculation.

 

[Deleted member 239597]

They all look pretty capable in these photos........

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/14/13/424FE7B400000578-4683690-image-a-1_1500034211460.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/14/13/424FE4E800000578-4683690-image-a-2_1500034235472.jpg

He didn't say he didn't think they were capable...he said he didn't think they'd sneak in without anyone waking up....

 

[Betty P]

No, I believe the Wagners are guilty but it would take a someone trained in special forces to kill the 8 people while they were asleep, the retracted part of the drug screening on their autopsy reports makes me think they could have been drugged some how it’s JMO but it is something to think about!

Keep in mind, some of the victims did wake up, for example CR1 and Chris Jr. These people had time to rehearse the murders, they were also experienced hunters, meaning they knew how to hunt their prey quietly. And like many killers, the got lucky.

ETA: This was always a sticking point that made me think there were some semi-pros or experienced people who helped the W's. But many of the members of this WS group here convinced me that well developed hunting skills made the Wags uniquely experienced in stealth. My dad, uncles and grandparents were hunters, so I know the skills they learned to be able to disguise themselves and sneak up on animals. Quiet, deliberate movements, advance scouting, etc.

 

[Dudly]

They could have killed everyone and just waited for DR to get home. Unless of course DR is the type of mom to check in on everyone before she sat down to mess around on her facebook acct. Wasn't CRj between his bed and the wall? It would indicate he was awake or or the noise woke him up.

Do we know the bedroom layouts in DR's trailer? Who's comes first?

From some of the research we did earlier and comments found from a previous tenant, this is what it is speculated the layout was. As you enter the front door, to the right was the living room and then a bedroom. To the left was a kitchen and an addition with a dining room and bed room, a bath and a bedroom. The one bedroom that was part of the addition with the dining room was accessible from the dining room. All this would have to be considered opinions and speculation. It was mentioned that CRjr was between his bed and wall, I believe, by LM...

 

[Cool Cats]

They could have killed everyone and just waited for DR to get home. Unless of course DR is the type of mom to check in on everyone before she sat down to mess around on her facebook acct. Wasn't CRj between his bed and the wall? It would indicate he was awake or or the noise woke him up.

Do we know the bedroom layouts in DR's trailer? Who's comes first?

Dana was on her Facebook account at 1:00am that morning. Chris Jr. was shot in his home according to the coroner report but I have never seen anything about where he was found. He wasn't in his bed because they didn't see him right away, LM insisted he was in the house and they needed to go back in and find him, according to LM.

This probably accounts for the wrong initial MSM reports that Chris Jr. was found at Kenneths, outside, might have been the shooter, and was in a crawl space.

Alot of early news articles were not completely accurate and LE was having editors go back and redact information they didn't want out, like CR SR being shot through a door or wall---that's how it was initially reported.

And Dana might have been shot near the front door according to the account from AM----which was redacted quickly from the first article.

*****Without links you need to consider this just my own 2 Cents******

 

[Cool Cats]

Keep in mind, some of the victims did wake up, for example CR1 and Chris Jr. These people had time to rehearse the murders, they were also experienced hunters, meaning they knew how to hunt their prey quietly. And like many killers, the got lucky.

ETA: This was always a sticking point that made me think there were some semi-pros or experienced people who helped the W's. But many of the members of this WS group here convinced me that well developed hunting skills made the Wags uniquely experienced in stealth. My dad, uncles and grandparents were hunters, so I know the skills they learned to be able to disguise themselves and sneak up on animals. Quiet, deliberate movements, advance scouting, etc.

Yes you put that very well. According to Angela both her boys were all about hunting and fishing.

ONLY people who have hunted and killed would be capable of this. They used their hunting skills and the biggest part for hunters---that you pointed out--- is the STALKING of their prey. They treated the Rhodens like nothing more than stalking and hunting prey for them.

To the Wagners it's just them hunting down a bad family and how dare anyone go against them on this! They were planning on doing more stalking and hunting against the bad LE guys who dared to STALK AND HUNT THEM. They can do it to whomever but no, you can't do it to them...My 2 Cents.....
The hunters became the hunted.

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Who cares if they are obese? A gun doesn’t care who you are or how fat you are. You pull the trigger and it goes off (unless it jams )

 

[Puzzles8]

Realistically, I think the only ones that might see obesity as a motive are the bed bugs. But then again, chickens can be judgemental as well.
The next court date can't come soon enough.

 

[Deleted member 237253]

"Kelly Cinereski, an Alaskan pastor and friend of the family, told the Dayton Daily News he was shocked by their arrests. "These people wept over dogs, I can't imagine them taking people's lives," he said."

Man who lost brothers in gruesome Ohio slayings reacts to arrests: "It's a lot to take in"

We know for certain no children nor animals were killed that night. More damning evidence.

 

[Dudly]

"Kelly Cinereski, an Alaskan pastor and friend of the family, told the Dayton Daily News he was shocked by their arrests. "These people wept over dogs, I can't imagine them taking people's lives," he said."

Man who lost brothers in gruesome Ohio slayings reacts to arrests: "It's a lot to take in"

We know for certain no children nor animals were killed that night. More damning evidence.

What else could he say? He couldn't say, yea, they were members of my church but probably did it....

 

[Dudly]

Realistically, I think the only ones that might see obesity as a motive are the bed bugs. But then again, chickens can be judgemental as well.
The next court date can't come soon enough.

You said the forbidden words! Go stand in the corner! lol

 

[Betty P]

You said the forbidden words! Go stand in the corner! lol

Puzzles said ALL of the forbidden words!!!

 

[sunshineray]

Is there a way for someone to decompose faster even if he wasn't shot first?

I was thinking about this too. Maybe if CRSR was covered up that could be a factor. Same if he was laying underneath his cousin GR, could produce more heat.

 

[Puzzles8]

I was thinking about this too. Maybe if CRSR was covered up that could be a factor. Same if he was laying underneath his cousin GR, could produce more heat.

IIRC from the AR, CRsr had significant blockage in his heart, well on the road to a future heart attack. Since his circulatory system was already impaired, maybe this hastened the stages of his death symptoms.
MOO
I am not a medical professional.