OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#44

[Cool Cats]

I am not understanding what seems to me to be justifying a legal charge of 'sex with a minor' (OR however it is worded in the indictment).

Could someone please explain to me why it is OK for a 15 year old to have sex with a 20 year old? It is in the indictmenth

I am not trying to be difficult either. I think we are supposed to follow the legal laws.

I did have the numerical number wrong with JW and it should be 2950.

It concerned me when I heard (not on here) some people say that a 15 year old getting pregnant by a 20 year old is 'typical for the area' so there's nothing there. I believe that it is unacceptable. It doesn't matter to me about their parent's ages or anything else. We are a progressive society, should abide by the laws especially regarding child sex with an adult and we don't make special sex laws or certain provisions or exceptions for any particular region.

I know that the people in that area, do not want their daughters/sons having sex with an adult.

Here's something to ponder OhioBlues. Jake is being charged now with having sex with a minor because the court found out about it right? Well then, when he went to court and filed for custody, 6 days after the murders, why wasn't he charged then for sex with a minor? Obviously the court knew his age in May 2016----the court didn't just figure it all out in November 2018.

 

[OhioBlues]

How close was KRs killer?

Kendra Rhoden wonders if the loaded gun her dad kept near his head while he slept was also taken. She also doesn’t understand why her light-sleeping father wasn’t startled awake before he was shot once in the right eye. To her, that indicates he must have known or trusted his killer.

In Pike County, family clings to hope

Why do you think that KR2 and BW were close? You stated that was your person

How close was KRs killer?

Kendra Rhoden wonders if the loaded gun her dad kept near his head while he slept was also taken. She also doesn’t understand why her light-sleeping father wasn’t startled awake before he was shot once in the right eye. To her, that indicates he must have known or trusted his killer.



In Pike County, family clings to hope

I still do not understand.

Why do you think that BW and the victim KR were friends or close or whatever you said prior to this post.

KR2 is the daughter.

No one knows who murdered her father as far as I know. BCI/LE/DA haven't said that either.

I am just trying to stay away from rumors and follow the TOS.

 

[OhioBlues]

Here's something to ponder OhioBlues. Jake is being charged now with having sex with a minor because the court found out about it right? Well then, when he went to court and filed for custody, 6 days after the murders, why wasn't he charged then for sex with a minor? Obviously the court knew his age in May 2016----the court didn't just figure it all out in November 2018.

SW's entire family was wiped out.

Why do you think that JW NEVER filed legally, forged papers and then alledgedly wiped out SW's entire maternal family (so they couldn't get custody)?

 

[Cool Cats]

SW's entire family was wiped out.

Why do you think that JW NEVER filed legally, forged papers and then alledgedly wiped out SW's entire maternal family (so they couldn't get custody)?

Point dually noted. And if in the heat of the moment during a custody fight argument, Chris Sr. threatened Jake with "sex with a minor" charges, that could explain all that extreme anger and 9 shots directed towards Chris Sr. I get where your coming from, interesting.

 

[Betty P]

Another thing to consider is the wording used in court. AC said FW was present for (at least one of)
the discussions in her home (threats) but did not say that FW actually participated in those conversations. We assume of course that FW did hear the threats made against LE, but there has been no indication what-so-ever that Fred made any of the threats herself.

The reason no one is charged for making the threats is because the threats were only discussed and not actually carried out against those in question. The Wagners would have literally had to threaten Reader, DeWine, and the Special BCI Agent directly for it to be a crime. I had posted an article about this before.

Example: You hear 2 people on wiretap talking about robbing a bank but they never do it. You can't charge them for discussing it. Now if they do rob the bank you can not only charge them for the robbery, but the wiretap proves there was a conspiracy to commit the robbery. The robbery wasn't just decided when they walked into the bank that day.

Sorry, I'm really simplifying it but I am only giving my 2 Cents off my own research. I will be happy to defere to a WS attorney.

Even though the prosecution can't bring charges against the Wags for the threats made at the meeting, the recording will still be very harmful when played to a jury.

 

[Betty P]

Another one bites the dust in Pike County. Thank God for Angela Canepa in this case against W4.

Pike County jury acquits man in 2017 assault of 2-year-old

Yes, I hope they move the W trials out of Pike County and SE Ohio.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Yes, I hope they move the W trials out of Pike County and SE Ohio.

I am hoping for Franklin or Hamilton Counties. JMO.

 

[Merrygirl]

Yes. If it were I, I know I would. Angela stands to inherit her father’s home and estate and Billy is one of three heirs to what Freddie will leave behind. I’d file a civil suit and sue until I couldn’t sue anymore.

JMO

. Here’s a thought, can you inherit an estate if the land has joint survivorship and the title was never transferred after divorce? JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Even though the prosecution can't bring charges against the Wags for the threats made at the meeting, the recording will still be very harmful when played to a jury.

Yes absolutely! AC said there were multiple conversations where threats were made. If these are all on wiretaps and they are all played for the Juries it will really make the circumstantial evidence seem more proven. All wiretaps are transcribed into text for the Jury to follow along with at the same time the tapes are played in court.

I've said before, this will sink them......My 2 Cents.........

 

[OhioBlues]

AC said there were multiple conversations where threats were made. If these are all on wiretaps and they are all played for the Juries it will really make the circumstantial evidence seem more proven. All wiretaps are transcribed into text for the Jury to follow along with at the same time the tapes are played in court.

I've said before, this will sink them.

LE subpoenaed the Echo Device in the Watts investigation.

 

[Cool Cats]

LE subpoenaed the Echo Device in the Watts investigation.

Seriously? I looked it up and found this....not related to Watts but it explains something about it. Thankx, so interesting!

The prosecution calls Alexa to the stand.....

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[Merrygirl]

Removed by me

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Why do you think that KR2 and BW were close? You stated that was your person


I still do not understand.

Why do you think that BW and the victim KR were friends or close or whatever you said prior to this post.

KR2 is the daughter.

No one knows who murdered her father as far as I know. BCI/LE/DA haven't said that either.

I am just trying to stay away from rumors and follow the TOS.

It's not a rumor, it's my opinion.

ETA: I said I believe GW3 knew KR very well.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Point dually noted. And if in the heat of the moment during a custody fight argument, Chris Sr. threatened Jake with "sex with a minor" charges, that could explain all that extreme anger and 9 shots directed towards Chris Sr. I get where your coming from, interesting.

This is a possible scenario. But coming from a man who had children in nearly similar circumstances, that would be odd.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

This is a possible scenario. But coming from a man who had children in nearly similar circumstances, that would be odd.

With facts:

How did CRSr and DR feel about the age of JW and HMR? It's hard to say for sure. IMO, they were likely to be well informed given their family history:

DR (28 aug 1978) and CRsr (17 sept 1975) conceived their first child FR (10 aug 1995) probably around december 1994 at age 16y 4mo and 19y 3mo respectively. When did they start?

Also, CRSr's father was convicted as a sex offender. I am reading the family was divided over this.

https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/10/15/pike-county-death-foothills/91496698/

 

[blackbeary]

Oxygen channel is having a two hour special show, Sunday 6/7 p.m. The Piketon Family Murders.

 

[blackbeary]

Sunday , March 24

 

[Dudly]

With facts:

How did CRSr and DR feel about the age of JW and HMR? It's hard to say for sure. IMO, they were likely to be well informed given their family history:

DR (28 aug 1978) and CRsr (17 sept 1975) conceived their first child FR (10 aug 1995) probably around december 1994 at age 16y 4mo and 19y 3mo respectively. When did they start?

Also, CRSr's father was convicted as a sex offender. I am reading the family was divided over this.

https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/10/15/pike-county-death-foothills/91496698/

How does all this have to do with eight people being murdered or or with why the accused may have done this?

 

[Dudly]

And here comes the poor me, I'm very religious, campaign....
I like this comment: "But her deliberate manner can change in an instant as she fires off a steely glare that puts all on notice that she, and she alone, is in charge."

A matriarch's fight: Fredericka Wagner denies charges, allegations in Pike County mass murder

 

[Tiff23fr]

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