OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#44

[Tiff23fr]

Yes, and why two vests, both for....her son Billy why only Billy? It would have made more sense to but a vest for Jake. Her story has too many holes in it.
My opinion, if the timing on the purchase of vests is accurate, then I think the vests were for the purpose of protection during possible future retaliation on others, as the indictments describe.

And was Billy going to walk around wearing a vest 24/7 as precaution?

 

[Myland]

Jmo but she did say she felt Billy and Cr were best friends, she felt Cr knew something, they gave them some names. Would be interesting to know those names Jmo

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Your opinion is that KR and his surviving daughter were close?

In your opinion, was KR2 still close with BW after the murder of her fathert?

No. I never said that.

 

[FonescaFan]

One thing I noted in this article is the pictures of Fred and Angie. Fred and Angie so closely resemble that Angie looks like she could be Fred's daughter. Anyone else think this is weird?

JMO

I like to study faces too. AW looks more like FW than her mom, IMO. Not suggesting anything bad, just noting the strong W features are similar. I’ve also noticed that FW and RW have great skin for their ages. But in these photos, FW’s arms reveal her age. I wonder if she used sunscreen religiously, or has a great dermatologist? I’m also surprised at how cluttered her kitchen is, considering she has enough money for a remodel. JMO and observations.

 

[OhioBlues]

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[rsd1200]

Jmo I don’t understand what it tells us? Jake and Hanna both considered themselves married at one time. Fredericka isn’t someone that would be in my circle of friends. Jmo

Tatting on wedding bands speaks to that...

 

[rsd1200]

What about the gag order?????
Does filing a motion to dismiss automatically release you from the gag order?

I noticed this;

As at many points during the interview, Wagner’s attorney, Owen, stopped her from commenting on her family members’ cases.

 

[OhioBlues]

I grew up in Kentucky Appalachia. My mother (who was not pregnant) married at 14 with parental permission. It was allowed then with parental consent.

My parents would have been as angry as a hornet if I was married and/or pregnant at that age.

She wanted her children to achieve (have) more than her and my dad or be better.

She would be furious at a 20 year old man tho. No one in Appalachia wants their daughter to be with a 20 year old man.

Appalachia doesn't have lower expectations than any other part of this country.

It is illegal and immoral and insulting to the victims to think otherwise.

 

[Betty P]

And here comes the poor me, I'm very religious, campaign....
I like this comment: "But her deliberate manner can change in an instant as she fires off a steely glare that puts all on notice that she, and she alone, is in charge."

A matriarch's fight: Fredericka Wagner denies charges, allegations in Pike County mass murder

Wow. Why is the Plain Dealer running this story? They've not paid much attention to the story at all, but this is a signature "PR fluffing" story they're doing here. Have seen these before. It's an open secret that the Plain Dealer is funded and run by very wealthy, conservative business leaders. Why are they trying to get the Wagners off the hook for massacring the Rhodens? A very, very shady and crooked newspaper, famous for covering up a LOT of scandals of Ohio's rich and powerful.

Who does FW know that has the ability and money to plant such a big, fawning PR piece? Confirms what I suspected all along - FW has friends in high places that nearly got this investigation buried.

@JohnCaniglia, why are you writing this story? Why are you leading this PR campaign for the mother of a group of crazy, backwoods murderers who brutally executed a family of 8 people just to gain custody of a child? Did the Rhodens know something? Were they a threat to some powerful friends of the Wagners? Or are you simply the only Ohio daily newspaper willing to sell out and run this propaganda?


All JMO.

ETA: Here she is pitching the "best friends" meme that we keep seeing pop up here at WS. What a load of BS. Why does she think that argument will work in getting her disgusting offspring out of jail?

 

[Betty P]

Fred is putting on quite an act here. She's actually a poor actress, not very believable.

 

[Betty P]

Also from the PD article:

Wagner’s attorneys filed what prosecutors designated as the key portion of her testimony Friday in Pike County Common Pleas Court.

“You ordered a bulletproof vest through Amazon?’’ asked Angela Canepa, a prosecutor with the Ohio Attorney General’s office.

“Yes, I guess I did. I will give you the records,’’ Wagner said. “You want it?’’

“You guess you did or you did it?’’ Canepa said.

“I thought I did,’’ Wagner said.

BBM

Did something take place in Pike County Common Pleas Court last Friday that we haven't heard about? Was there a hearing that wasn't open to the public? How often do these secret hearings happen? We know the FW's defense filed a motion about this last Friday. This hearing wasn't covered in the news last Friday. Was the news media there? How did the Plain Dealer get this information?

What's going on here? My hinky meter just went off like a 5 alarm fire. JMO

 

[Jonas_Klein]

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[Myland]

Also from the PD article:



BBM

Did something take place in Pike County Common Pleas Court last Friday that we haven't heard about? Was there a hearing that wasn't open to the public? How often do these secret hearings happen? We know the FW's defense filed a motion about this last Friday. This hearing wasn't covered in the news last Friday. Was the news media there? How did the Plain Dealer get this information?

What's going on here? My hinky meter just went off like a 5 alarm fire. JMO

Jmo but I believed it to be the questions that were asked at the grand jury and the portion of testimony the state said contained the lie for both charges. And Fredericka’s attorney filed for dismissal based on evidence he had regarding the lie jmo

 

[Betty P]

Jmo but I believed it be the questions that were asked at the grand jury and the portion of testimony the state said contained the lie for both charges.

Yes, I see that they're discussing the GJ questions, but the sentences that followed seemed to refer to events in the more recent, present-tense. I hope I'm wrong.

The article also mentions testimony given on Friday in Pike County Common Pleas Court. The Grand Jury does't meet in Pike County Common Pleas Court.

I'm really concerned about this interview and Fred Wagner talking so much when she's supposed to be under a gag order.

Time for Mike DeWine to check into this and make sure his investigation and case are not getting off track here. DeWine is the one who supervised this case, put it together and managed the GJ process, evidence gathering, charges and arrests. He owns it, he needs to start paying closer attention to it.

 

[Myland]

Yes, I see that they're discussing the GJ questions, but the sentences that followed seemed to refer to events in the more recent, present-tense. I hope I'm wrong.

The article also mentions testimony given on Friday in Pike County Common Pleas Court. The Grand Jury does't meet in Pike County Common Pleas Court.

I'm really concerned about this interview and Fred Wagner talking so much when she's supposed to be under a gag order.

Time for Mike DeWine to check into this and make sure his investigation and case are not getting off track here. DeWine is the one who supervised this case, put it together and managed the GJ process, evidence gathering, charges and arrests. He owns it, he needs to start paying closer attention to it.

Jmo I think it is what he included in motion to dismiss not an actual hearing Jmo it doesn’t look like the gag order was ever issued for Fredericka. The judge asked for a written argument for it. jmo

 

[Betty P]

Jmo I think it is what he included in motion to dismiss not an actual hearing Jmo it doesn’t look like the gag order was ever issued for Fredericka. The judge asked for a written argument for it. jmo

But Cleveland.com reported it as if they saw it happen or as if someone gave them a first person account of FW's testimony. If there was a hearing in the Courthouse last Friday, it should have been open to the public and all news media. Big red flag on this news story, but I'm glad some of this stuff is coming out. It helps us to see the big picture, who the players are and which side they're on. And this major daily news outlet with close ties to DeWine is on the side of the Wagners. JMO

From the article:

"You ordered a bulletproof vest through Amazon?’’ asked Angela Canepa, a prosecutor with the Ohio Attorney General’s office.

Did Angela Canepa handle the GJ hearings for the Wags last year?

“Yes, I guess I did. I will give you the records,’’ Wagner said. “You want it?’’

“You guess you did or you did it?’’ Canepa said.

“I thought I did,’’ Wagner said.

She later added that she bought both vests for her son, fearing that one would not fit. She said her daughter wouldn’t wear one. Wagner also said that she herself would not wear one because “I don’t care if they shoot me.”

Investigators later searched her Amazon purchases and found no record of the purchases.

Because of that, she and her attorney said, she was charged with obstruction and lying to the grand jury.

This sounds bogus, JMO.

They also just quoted testimony from the GJ or some other hearing, which is a clear violation of the gag order. All conveniently just prior to Fred Wagner's next pre-trial hearing. She and her handlers placed this story very well; that's definitely a professional PR job. Someone crafted this interview to expose bits of exculpating evidence, while spending a lot of assets to get it placed in a newspaper with a dubious reputation, on the brink of financial disaster.

Plain Dealer Editor Announces 12 Reporters and Editors Will Lose Jobs, Decimating Print Newsroom

I wonder if this means they're hoping to get the trials relocated to Cuyahoga County, so are softening up the local jury pool. JMO

 

[evelezrn]

From the (complete fluff) article:

BBM

Wagner said her family is innocent. She said she believes that cooperating informants provided erroneous information.

..... Interesting choice of words. In my opinion.

 

[Betty P]

Jmo I think it is what he included in motion to dismiss not an actual hearing Jmo it doesn’t look like the gag order was ever issued for Fredericka. The judge asked for a written argument for it. jmo

Yes, the gag order was issued for Fredericka. She's just defying it anyway thinking the benefit of getting her false information out in the news media outweighs any minor punishment she gets for violating the gag order.

Perhaps the judge should put her back behind bars.

 

[Myland]

But Cleveland.com reported it as if they saw it happen or as if someone gave them a first person account of FW's testimony. If there was a hearing in the Courthouse last Friday, it should have been open to the public and all news media. Big red flag on this news story, but I'm glad some of this stuff is coming out. It helps us to see the big picture, who the players are and which side they're on. And this major daily news outlet with close ties to DeWine is on the side of the Wagners. JMO

From the article:



Did Angela Canepa handle the GJ hearings for the Wags last year?




This sounds bogus, JMO.

They also just quoted testimony from the GJ or some other hearing, which is a clear violation of the gag order. All conveniently just prior to Fred Wagner's next pre-trial hearing. She and her handlers placed this story very well; that's definitely a professional PR job. Someone crafted this interview to expose bits of exculpating evidence, while spending a lot of assets to get it placed in a newspaper with a dubious reputation, on the brink of financial disaster.

Plain Dealer Editor Announces 12 Reporters and Editors Will Lose Jobs, Decimating Print Newsroom

I wonder if this means they're hoping to get the trials relocated to Cuyahoga County, so are softening up the local jury pool. JMO

Jmo what gag order are you referring to? Let’s just say it’s a lie and Fredericka attorney doesn’t have the receipts to prove when and where purchases for the bpv was, then Fredericka will not win in trial with that defense, but if it is true and they have the receipts to prove they were purchased through PayPal from eBay then it sounds like it may have been a mistake to say amazon instead of eBay. After two years and hours of question before the grand jury mixing up amazon and eBay could happen Jmo

 

[Betty P]

From the (complete fluff) article:

BBM

Wagner said her family is innocent. She said she believes that cooperating informants provided erroneous information.

..... Interesting choice of words. In my opinion.

Ok, that sounds like a person, not necessarily a recording device. She's going to go after any informants to impugn their reputation, honesty, etc. I'm sure she can be vicious, conniving and will violate any rule to do it.