OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#44

[Dudly]

BBM,
There's a fine line between love and hate. One doesn't just kill 8 people, for giggles. They could have killed only DR, CR2, and HMR, and left the others alone, or, caught HMR out in the car, and just take her out. I think it's because the Rs had gotten something over on the Ws, and the Ws became afraid of them (the Rs, and HHG by default). Now what, exactly, that was, Idk. Otherwise, they could have gone through Family Court, and set up something, just like G4.

Yes, there is no paperwork trail shown that they first tried to settle custody arrangements legally. An attorney was mentioned but no one has said a thing about what he had done. It seems to have gone from a mutually agreeable arrangement to eight people dead rather quickly. I had a thought one time whether there was a demand that S would be guaranteed to be an heir to FW's money. The Ws would not want part of their fortune going to an R. I also thought that it could have been over support but it would be a stretch to make it over support unless JW didn't want to have to work full time to pay it. There had to be more going on to make killing eight people justified in their minds...

 

[Betty P]

Betty, you ask what flipped the switch. My opinion.

I think it was (pure speculation) HR telling DR that JW was treating her terribly or that, for one reason or another, she, HR, was completely done with the relationship. Maybe it was DR leading to assist HR in separating from JW and his Family and the Rhoden and Manley Families backing HR decision to exit the “considered to be married” arrangement for the sake of HR. Her sanity, her safety -
; ; semi colon tattoo...;;
Maybe HG played a part (persuasion, or strong agreement) in HR decision.
I have always though there was great significance in the EXCESSIVE VIOLENCE to DR and HG
In my opinion, this theory fits well with the speculation that Rhodens and Wagners were once friends (of some degree) and very likely in some kind of shady business together. No disrespect to R’s , there was something generating income.
Rhoden Family may have become aware of even worse, more serious, illegal business ventures of Wagners, thus CRsr “ knew something”
Remember how a Wagner was carrying around a glock in her handbag years ago. A certain DA had a chance back then to have both W’s on record with a conviction.

The OxygenTV story of Rhoden Family Murders may be ok.
A former Prosecutor and Court TV reporter, Beth Karas is participating. She has an excellent well established reputation. Editing of the footage is usually what produces questionable results. I do hope for an accurate depiction of the Families, the area and the facts.

Ann99, that sounds logical, I've considered the same thing. They seemed very upset with DR, too. Most moms would have done the same thing if their daughter was in a relationship that had become abusive and violent. CR1 also chose to stand up to the W's, choosing his family over friendship. The startling part is that the idea of murdering the family developed over such a short period of time.

I plan to watch the OxygenTV show if I remember. Will have to put a reminder in my calendar. Even if these shows seem sympathetic to the suspects (wouldn't be the first murder case where this has happened, unfortunately) there's sometimes new information to learn.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, there is no paperwork trail shown that they first tried to settle custody arrangements legally. An attorney was mentioned but no one has said a thing about what he had done. It seems to have gone from a mutually agreeable arrangement to eight people dead rather quickly. I had a thought one time whether there was a demand that S would be guaranteed to be an heir to FW's money. The Ws would not want part of their fortune going to an R. I also thought that it could have been over support but it would be a stretch to make it over support unless JW didn't want to have to work full time to pay it. There had to be more going on to make killing eight people justified in their minds...

No paperwork trail but there is a digital trail.......519 messages about child custody......

Take, for instance, some of the latest court filings in the case against the accused, the Wagner family: They reveal that among the items prosecutors have turned over to the defense team in patriarch George “Billy” Wagner’s case is a clip from the violent, vigilante-justice movie “Boondock Saints”; a photo of a burned VCR; and an ****Excel spreadsheet that lists 519 entries of messages about child custody.****

Also, if ONLY Angela and Jake have said a lawyer was involved --as Angela said --"to put down in writing what they were already doing."
Then I wouldn't believe it. More lies. Of course they would say that. (Unless a lawyer shows up at trial as a witness for the defense.)

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I thought it was in regard to this part;

FW after lawyer interjected;

I was speculating, but, {pauses},
if your son, if your son
was the best friends, with something,
then something like this happened
to that family, and
your, your grandson, was, uh, in their eyes,
married to HMR,

you better be scared,
they might come after this family too. We were
terrified. Everybody was.
-----

I think she disliked the fact that HMR & JW saw themselves as married, and told people they were married, but were not married. It was just pure foolishness to her.

The next part bolded; Whoever murdered the Rs, may see her grandson as part of the R family, through their (faux) marriage, and they'd become targets now b/c of his connection to HMR, and the Ws possibly knowing something, through her family's connections to the Rs.

I don't think she had a part in the murders, and I think she, like any grandmother, may still be riding down a river called denial, right now. They are, after all, innocent until proven guilty, by law.

Whoever murdered the Rs, may see her grandson as part of the R family

If she was so afraid for Jake why did she buy two (per her statement) bullet proof vests for Billy and none for Jake?

I don't buy any of it. She may not have known about the murders beforehand....but she sure as heck knew about them after. That's why she bought the vests for Billy. She was afraid if they came to arrest her son for killing 8 people he would try to shoot it out with LE.

She may not be guilty of murder but she is guilty of obstruction of justice and the elder Kenny (Gary's father's) pain of not seeing his son's killer behind bars before he died I lay directly at her door.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BBM

That just made me feel really sad and nauseous. Oh, man. RIP Rhodens.

If St. Fred is willing to let her lawyer show this evidence in the news media before the trial and if it shows what we think it shows, is she indicating she's willing to abandon her family just to get her own charges dropped? Maybe I'm reading this wrong, IDK.

Another poster on here (I don't remember who) had the theory that Fred bought two vests before the murders and tried to dispose of those and cover by buying two vests after the murders. I agree with that theory and I think the two vests that LE confiscated in the photo are the two "before" vests that Fred is now trying to pawn off as the two she bought afterwards.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

There was a lot of story and alibi spinning on social media during the last 2 years, much of it now being repeated nearly verbatim by St. Fred. Her answers are just new variations on the same cover stories they've already been spreading. She has to say that CR1 and GW3 were "close friends" in order to justify the BPV's and other Wagner activities after the murders. It also helps justify their sudden move to AK (GW 3 was "close" to Chris and he felt threatened by whomever killed the Rhodens, so everyone just HAD to move to AK to get away from the danger!!11!!)

FW is a very savvy woman. She's had 3 years to sit around and come up with excuses to keep LE attention away from her family and out of prison. JMO, it's all an act. Look at this big media campaign she's rolling out from her kitchen table. She knows exactly what she's doing and what she has to say to save her family.

It is more telling to me what she didn't say. Not one word of grief or regret for the death of her son's "best friend". Not one word of sympathy for the families of the victims. Not one word of empathy for the babies left behind to grow up without parents.

That is because she is not capable of having any feelings for any of them. That is because she feels that the R's got exactly what they deserved.

Put yourself in her position and think about the story she is trying to spin. If it was me I would have been bawling all over that camera man saying how sorry I was that the R's were killed and the families suffering and the babies left behind. Not one single word from her about that. It was all about what she is going through, how afraid she was for her son, how her life has been disrupted.

Says it all I think.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BBM,
There's a fine line between love and hate. One doesn't just kill 8 people, for giggles. They could have killed only DR, CR2, and HMR, and left the others alone, or, caught HMR out in the car, and just take her out. I think it's because the Rs had gotten something over on the Ws, and the Ws became afraid of them (the Rs, and HHG by default). Now what, exactly, that was, Idk. Otherwise, they could have gone through Family Court, and set up something, just like G4.

I think you are absolutely correct. Fred said it herself. Chris was killed because he knew something. Fred's only moment of truth in the entire interview.

JMO

 

[ColMustard]

There would be footprints in the dust on the floor if it was that way for a while. No footprints means the dust was recent or no one ever used that bath.

There's a boot print in the dust, between the tub and the 'chair'. Pattern looks like what the SWAT team was probably wearing.

Just beside the boot print (to the right) a clean area as if the foil insulation was moved after the dust quit falling.

 

[ColMustard]

I noticed a couple of things about them. One looks like it has a bullet hole in it right at the corner of the yellow marker that has the number 27 on it. It would be on the bottom left hand corner of the yellow marker 27.

The second thing I noticed is it looks like the number 27 vest has Kevlar arms and gloves attached. Makes sense to have the Kevlar protection for your arms and hands if you feared a dog attacking.

JMO

Think that might be a pair of pants, but armored. If those are 3" tiles, then the inseam might be about 34-36".

 

[FrankieT]

It is more telling to me what she didn't say. Not one word of grief or regret for the death of her son's "best friend". Not one word of sympathy for the families of the victims. Not one word of empathy for the babies left behind to grow up without parents.

That is because she is not capable of having any feelings for any of them. That is because she feels that the R's got exactly what they deserved.

Put yourself in her position and think about the story she is trying to spin. If it was me I would have been bawling all over that camera man saying how sorry I was that the R's were killed and the families suffering and the babies left behind. Not one single word from her about that. It was all about what she is going through, how afraid she was for her son, how her life has been disrupted.

Says it all I think.

JMO

Yes, a thousand times...a thousand times.

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Around 2 hours or so until AW enters the court room. She’s probably eating her bread and drinking her water while she waits.

Maybe she will have lost some weight

 

[Cool Cats]

Around 2 hours or so until AW enters the court room. She’s probably eating her bread and drinking her water while she waits.

Maybe she will have lost some weight

Weight is not relevant. What will matter to the Jury is the defendant 's demeanor.
Jake smiling, as he was doing, will be a huge turn off.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Around 2 hours or so until AW enters the court room. She’s probably eating her bread and drinking her water while she waits.

Maybe she will have lost some weight

Why is Angela’s weight relevant to this case? JMO, but discussing someone’s physical appearance is irrelevant. I’m personally more concerned with why eight people are dead and seeing Justice served for them.

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Why is Angela’s weight relevant to this case? JMO, but discussing someone’s physical appearance is irrelevant. I’m personally more concerned with why eight people are dead and seeing Justice served for them.

Excuse me but where did I say it was relevant to the case? MOO

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Excuse me but where did I say it was relevant to the case? MOO

My mistake. I may have misunderstood when reading your post in this forum(which discusses the case) about Angela’s weight.

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

My mistake. I may have misunderstood when reading your post in this forum(which discusses the case) about Angela’s weight.

Are we not allowed to talk about the perps unless it has to do with the case 100%? MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

Local 12 will be live streaming Angela Wagner's Motion Hearing today......
(Cincinnati)

Watch

 

[ColMustard]

Local 12 will be live streaming Angela Wagner's Motion Hearing today......

Watch

Thanks - 1:30, correct?

Re: looks

The look on ole G's face tells me he's got what it takes.
The look on ole granny's face tells me she loathed HR.
The joker's grin on J's face tells me he thinks he can waltz out of this.

I'll be watching the show on Oxygen Sunday, I would've missed it by an hour but someone posted it's 6pm Eastern/7 Central.

 

[TheRevWells]

Thanks - 1:30, correct?

Re: looks

The look on ole G's face tells me he's got what it takes.
The look on ole granny's face tells me she loathed HR.
The joker's grin on J's face tells me he thinks he can waltz out of this.

I'll be watching the show on Oxygen Sunday, I would've missed it by an hour but someone posted it's 6pm Eastern/7 Central.

wait.....what? there is a show on Oxygen on Sunday about all of this? Ill have to check it out. But, couldnt that taint this case in some way when it finally does go to trial? Couldnt the defense state that due to the tv program, the defendants cannot receive a fair trial and motion to dismiss etc?

 

[IType]

Are we not allowed to talk about the perps unless it has to do with the case 100%? MOO

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