OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#45

[rsd1200]

I rewatched the Oxygen series again this evening and caught a few "oops" that were not apparent to me the first time. I also seen 2 of the attorneys in town today, maybe they were visiting their client... dunno'.

Mr. Collins is currently representing a vice cop (*well former cop*) in some very ugly, nasty crimes. I just wonder how Billy was able to get him? I know he was court appointed but seriously, IMO Collins is an ace at creating reasonable doubt. Hope not if BW is in fact guilty though. SMH

That he is.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Jmo I don’t know much about hacking, but how will this charge be proven? Searches on the Wagner’s computers? Can I give my spouse my password then he access my account and it appear as if he was hacking my account? Or is there specific things that show it is truly hacking. Jmo

Nearly everyone has their cellphone within reach. If the individual and cellphone are in one location, that is strong evidence that they aren't logged in on a home network. That's one possible way.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Even at our local bank in our small town, the person that notarizes things for us, her and I went to school together from K thru 12 (which was many years ago) and she still requires our ID's every time she notarizes something for us.

Btw...Most notaries in Ohio keep a log that requires the notary to document the article being notarized, the picture ID that is checked, the signature of the party, and the identifying numbers from the ID. (D.L. #...)

 

[IType]

Yes nothing was legal. I want to know when were the custody documents forged and how did the prosecution get a hold of them.

Why would you forge papers in the event a 19 year old dies? How stupid do they have to be to do that? That alone shows the Jury a motive, and the Jury will have to have a motive to convict on such a serious case.

BBM--They weren't being stupid. They absolutely knew 100% that she was going to die because they knew they were going to murder her on April 22.

pro·ac·tive
/prōˈaktiv/
adjective
adjective: proactive; adjective: pro-active
(of a person, policy, or action) creating or controlling a situation by causing something to happen rather than responding to it after it has happened.

 

[IType]

Doesn't the indictment say they were forged on or around April 6?

Fortunately, we should learn these answers in July during RN trial.

IIRC, the indictment says documents forged April 3, JMO

 

[Dudly]

Reminder that drugs are still a big problem in SW Ohio.
Dayton man jailed in what Scioto County sheriff calls largest Ice bust

 

[ColMustard]

Hey ColMustard do you remember back in the summer of 2016 someone made a comment on the internet about Big Chris being shot thru a door a year before it came out to public? JMO I really think it was one of the 4 Wagners playing games, they really thought that the LE didn’t have any evidence on who killed the Rhodens family, that’s why the came back to Ohio, they went to Alaska thinking if while there they could flee to Canada if the LE started investigation on them and Canada will not extradite back to US on death penalty’s cases. JMO

My memory is fuzzy on that, there was so much static in social media posts. I vaguely recall that what you said is correct though.

I do recall the newspaper article stating CR was shot through a door, then that statement was quickly redacted from the article.

I have strong suspicions about a couple of social media characters. Maybe that will come out in the trials as well.

The recent media coverage seems to be an extension of previous activities to sway opinions and muddy the waters.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Does anyone else remember fairly early on Charlie Reader made reference to "Hatfield's and McCoys", or am I imagining this? If so, do you remember if it was a video or news article? I would like to go back and find it.

 

[Deleted member 237253]

Ebay doesn't keep purchase history available forever, but that's not to say their IT dept. couldn't pull it up. Right now, mine only goes back to 2017.

Still, there was time to fetch the receipts.

Most of the items shipped to me come with an invoice printed from a home printer, nothing even close to a store receipt. I could probably edit an ebay page to make it show anything I want. I've done it before as a joke, inserting friend's details into current news or technical articles. Once it's all done, hit print.

Could explain why FW and Lawyer were stalling for so long.

 

[rsd1200]

Reminder that drugs are still a big problem in SW Ohio.
Dayton man jailed in what Scioto County sheriff calls largest Ice bust

Did you see the one in Greenup?
UPDATE | 'Frozen' characters on $90k bags of meth 'no accident'

 

[ColMustard]

Does anyone else remember fairly early on Charlie Reader made reference to "Hatfield's and McCoys", or am I imagining this? If so, do you remember if it was a video or news article? I would like to go back and find it.

Reader said it, and it's on a press conference video somewhere. IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM--They weren't being stupid. They absolutely knew 100% that she was going to die because they knew they were going to murder her on April 22.

pro·ac·tive
/prōˈaktiv/
adjective
adjective: proactive; adjective: pro-active
(of a person, policy, or action) creating or controlling a situation by causing something to happen rather than responding to it after it has happened.

It's fine you don't agree with my take on it but I have to stick with my opinion that it was stupid because it shows a blatant motive.

Let's take life insurance out on a spouse and be named as beneficiary then kill them in three weeks. Let's forge custody papers, be named as guardian, do it around April 3rd then on April 22nd kill the mother. Here Jury, here is a motive. Opposite of smart.

Note in your posted definition of the word pro-active (reposted below) a key phrase----"causing something to happen"
That's the key, they caused something to happen, they were pro-active in causing a mother's death to gain custody.

pro·ac·tive
/prōˈaktiv/
adjective
adjective: proactive; adjective: pro-active
(of a person, policy, or action) creating or controlling a situation by causing something to happen rather than responding to it after it has happened.

 

[IType]

It's fine you don't agree with my take on it but I have to stick with my opinion that it was stupid because it shows a blatant motive.

Let's take life insurance out on a spouse and be named as beneficiary then kill them in three weeks. Let's forge custody papers, be named as guardian, do it around April 3rd then on April 22nd kill the mother. Here Jury, here is a motive. Opposite of smart.

I apparently misunderstood the direction of your comment. My apologies. I felt it was directed toward myself and the comment I made, as opposed to your now-apparent intention of it being directed toward those charged. IMO, it is easy to understand the intended direction of comments when those comments are made orally, but it can be quite difficult to interpret the intention/direction of written comments.

Yes, I feel it was a foolish move also. It will be interesting to hear the details of these documents once the trial starts. They say hindsight is 20/20. If those charged thought the forgery was a good idea at the time, I wonder what they think now.... JMO

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Indictment says on or about April 3, 2016.

April 3, 2016. It was a sunday

 

[IType]

It's fine you don't agree with my take on it but I have to stick with my opinion that it was stupid because it shows a blatant motive.

Let's take life insurance out on a spouse and be named as beneficiary then kill them in three weeks. Let's forge custody papers, be named as guardian, do it around April 3rd then on April 22nd kill the mother. Here Jury, here is a motive. Opposite of smart.

Note in your posted definition of the word pro-active (reposted below) a key phrase----"causing something to happen"
That's the key, they caused something to happen, they were pro-active in causing a mother's death to gain custody.

pro·ac·tive
/prōˈaktiv/
adjective
adjective: proactive; adjective: pro-active
(of a person, policy, or action) creating or controlling a situation by causing something to happen rather than responding to it after it has happened.

That was exactly my point in putting the definition in my post. I was reiterating that, in my opinion, the forged documents were the result of a proactive action by those accused in advance of the murders.

 

[Betty P]

Dayton.com has a new podcast about the Rhoden/Gilley Murders

New two-hour TV special dives into the execution-style murder of eight Ohioans


The article says its a new podcast, but it kind of sounds like the old one from a few months ago. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is, he tells the deer hunting story. Maybe they're just promoting it again since there's been some recent media coverage.

Interesting listen if you hadn't heard it before.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Reader said it, and it's on a press conference video somewhere. IMO

Thanks. I'm interested in going back to see what was clouded over by noise. I did just notice towards the end of a 4/24 press conference, a journalist said "one of Dana's friends believes she had been being stalked".
-Seems to fit with what we are learning

 

[Cool Cats]

Hey ColMustard do you remember back in the summer of 2016 someone made a comment on the internet about Big Chris being shot thru a door a year before it came out to public? JMO I really think it was one of the 4 Wagners playing games, they really thought that the LE didn’t have any evidence on who killed the Rhodens family, that’s why the came back to Ohio, they went to Alaska thinking if while there they could flee to Canada if the LE started investigation on them and Canada will not extradite back to US on death penalty’s cases. JMO

An article came out in a local paper the summer of 2016 that said Chris Sr. was shot through a "wall or a door". Then the "wall or a door" part was quickly redacted and the article was again put out with that statement missing. I actually linked an Imgur image on here of the original article and have been trying to find it. It's always possible my post was deleted because my article came from an Imgur image.

That is how the "rumor" of Chris being shot through a door started. Likely a family member shared the information and LE did not want that information shared and had the editor delete it.

Same with April Manley's original interview/article. In the original local article, April stated that James went into Dana's and saw her legs lying on the floor and heard Kylie crying and bolted out of the house because "he didn't want to see his niece like that." If Dana had been in bed he would have went in to see Kylie because she was crying, he would not have known "his niece was like that."

The part about James seeing Dana's legs was redacted from the local article and the article was reposted without that statement.

Please consider all of this.... Only My 2 Cents....as I cannot find the links.
The trials, of course, could tell a different story.

 

[Cool Cats]

I apparently misunderstood the direction of your comment. My apologies. I felt it was directed toward myself and the comment I made, as opposed to your now-apparent intention of it being directed toward those charged. IMO, it is easy to understand the intended direction of comments when those comments are made orally, but it can be quite difficult to interpret the intention/direction of written comments.



Yes, I feel it was a foolish move also. It will be interesting to hear the details of these documents once the trial starts. They say hindsight is 20/20. If those charged thought the forgery was a good idea at the time, I wonder what they think now.... JMO

It's all good. We have 2 "mysteries". How did the prosecution get a hold of the forged custody documents and figure out they were forged? And how and why does the prosecution think that Fred's receits/records of the bullet proof vests are not authentic?

I realize the word "authentic" is up for debate with some feeling that the prosecution still needs to authenticate them, and others feeling that the prosecution believes them to be fake.


Not authentic to me means they do not prove that Fred herself purchased them--- and/or the dates do not prove the purchase was made after the murders. (Somthing fishy/not right with them)

 

[Dudly]

Dayton.com has a new podcast about the Rhoden/Gilley Murders

New two-hour TV special dives into the execution-style murder of eight Ohioans


The article says its a new podcast, but it kind of sounds like the old one from a few months ago. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is, he tells the deer hunting story. Maybe they're just promoting it again since there's been some recent media coverage.

Interesting listen if you hadn't heard it before.

Whio has been doing a good job on covering this case so far.