OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#45

[Cool Cats]

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Did they something about psychology reports

Yes. About hiring investigator(s) and hiring a psychologist.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

“AW and HR had bad blood after HR had left JW for CG,” CH, (an ex-sister-in-law) of GW told Oxygen."

 

[rsd1200]

I have no preconceived notions about her or her family. I only have what is documented to go by. Unless I missed it it has never been alleged by the state that the son used her computer to make the purchase, or has it? I maybe missed something. The volume of posts here makes it hard for me to keep up sometimes

On the transcript released the state doesn’t indicate they are looking at her for lying that the purchase was made by her.

BBM
No, it hasn't. That's just some of us theorizing that it could be possible.

 

[Betty P]

BBM
it seems obvious she wasn't being truthful. She couldn't even recall anything about what she ordered, where it came from, etc. She was drawing a blank about the whole thing. She kept asking the prosecutor to tell her what was in the order, etc. It appeared obvious, JMO, she wasn't the one who ordered these things, but was trying to say she was.

I think that is why AC was sitting over at the other table with that funny little smile on her face while Owen argued that "I guess I did, I thought I did" 15 days after the murder defense. Because AC knows that is not what the perjury, obstruction of justice charges are about.

During the first pre-trial AC said "the perjury and obstruction charges stem from statements made to the GJ about BPV's". She never said the dates they were bought was in question and she never claimed the BPV's were used during the homicides. She never said it was because Fred was confused about where she bought them. She said "the charges stem from statements made to the GJ" about the vests.

When I read Fred's testimony it was obvious to me she was lying. She didn't know squat about those vests. She didn't even know what she ordered. She asked AC "what was in the order?". When asked to describe what she bought she didn't have a clue.

Let me tell you something folks, I am not hurting for money, but if I order something online and pay 1000.00 dollars for it I am sure as heck going to know what I paid for. 1000.00 is a lot of money to anyone.

I think that Fred didn't even know Billy bought the vests and when LE found them in her home she panicked and thought LE was going to say they were used in the homicides so she she started lying and covering for Billy right then by saying she bought them.

She stated that several times in her testimony. "I bought them. It was all my idea to buy them." But she didn't even know where they were bought. "I bought them, other people said I bought them on Amazon."

I think the moment AC walked out of that GJ she had investigators on the BPVs. I think they found out that Fred did not order the vests even though her accounts were used. That's when AC knew she had her for lying to the GJ and obstruction.

I am betting that AC was giving that funny little smile because she knew what Owen was arguing was not even what the issue was or the charges about.

Keep in mind that during the time the vests were bought Fred's husband was very ill. They may have Fred on camera at a Dr's office with him at the time the vests were purchased on EBay.

JMO

Reminds me of one of my catty, wealthy in-laws who used to brag about drinking too much wine at night and ordering ruby rings and emerald/diamond earrings online. Several thousand dollars worth. When they arrived in the mail, she didn't remember and had to go back to look on Ebay. What a hoot! She thought it was hilarious. She kept the jewelry, no big thing to drop a few thou on bling when you're in your cups. Yeeha! I was like

But she still looked it up and knew what she had bought, down to the last detail.

 

[Betty P]

Yes. About hiring investigator(s) and hiring a psychologist.

Yes, that was in the most recent motions on his docket. It's about requesting money to hire experts for the mitigating phase of the trial. One was a request for a psychologist or psychiatrist. It's interesting they're only referring to the mitigating or pre-sentencing part of the trial. JMO IANAL

 

[Cool Cats]

Why Jake Wagner And Hanna Rhoden's Relationship Could Be Key To The Pike County Murders

CRIME TIME OXYGEN
Those who knew Hanna Rhoden described the young mom as a spunky teen who had hoped to one day be a nurse like her mother.

“She was a great mom. She put her kids before anyone else,” Brittany Petit, a close friend of Chris Rhoden Jr. said in the Oxygen special.

Initially, she and Jake Wagner had a happy relationship with one another.

“Jake, really, he was a part of the family,” Fulton said. “Hanna would go stay with his family and then he would come out and stay with their family. So, they were really, really close.”

But trouble between the pair began to brew when Hanna Rhoden decided she didn’t want to be in relationship with Jake Wagner any longer and broke things off. The tension began to permeate to other members of the Wagner family as well.

“Angela and Hanna had bad blood after Hanna had left Jake for Charlie Gilley,” Christina Howard, an ex-sister-in-law of George Wagner Sr. told Oxygen.

 

[Betty P]

“AW and HR had bad blood after HR had left JW for CG,” CH, (an ex-sister-in-law) of GW told Oxygen."

Interesting. So it sounds like most of the people they talked to are friends and relatives of the Wagners.

Also interesting they mention AW being angry with Hanna for splitting up with Jake. Follows my original theory that AW was the one who was obsessed with getting full custody of S.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Interesting. So it sounds like most of the people they talked to are friends and relatives of the Wagners.

No, more like friends of the Rhoden's. MOO. I see Cool Cats posted the link that I forgot to.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, that was in the most recent motions on his docket. It's about requesting money to hire experts for the mitigating phase of the trial. One was a request for a psychologist or psychiatrist. It's interesting they're only referring to the mitigating or pre-sentencing part of the trial. JMO IANAL

Ok I didn't catch that thankx. The Death Penalty - Presentencing

The Death Penalty - Pre-sentencing

Death penalty cases are divided into two phases: the guilt phase and the penalty phase. During the penalty phase, evidence is offered for aggravating or mitigating factors that can affect the sentencing. Death penalty statutes allow for a number of mitigating circumstances that require input from forensic psychiatry, as well as forensic psychology, neuropsychology or toxicology.

A capital defense attorney will invariably request a **forensic psychiatric assessment or psychological testing**as a way to educate the jury about a defendant’s psychiatric diagnosis and conditions, developmental failures, past physical or sexual abuse, drug and alcohol dependency, degree of intoxication at the time of the offense, previous brain trauma, relevant neurological conditions, relevant psychosocial history,**intellectual deficiency,**or a seemingly uneventful previous history.
Intellectual Deficiency = 7th Grade Education Remark by GW3's Attorney

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Yes. About hiring investigator(s) and hiring a psychologist.

Is he omitting guilt

 

[Cool Cats]

Is he omitting guilt

Not sure what you mean?

 

[Betty P]

Is he omitting guilt

No, but those seemed to be really odd motions so early in the process, right?

Here are the list of GW3's recent motions

03/08/2019 ENTRY -- DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR IN-PERSON VISITATION BY INVESTIGATORS IS WELL TAKEN AND GRANTS SAME; DEFENDANT SHALL ALSO BE PERMITTED TO ACCOMPANY THE INVESTIGATORS TO VISIT THE DEFENDANT IN THE ATTORNEY CONFERENCE ROOMS LOCATED WITHIN THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITY

03/27/2019 JOURNAL ENTRY -- PRE-TRIAL MOTION DEADLINE IS EXTENDED INDEFINITELY AND THE COURT SHALL SET A DEADLINE FOR THE FILING OF PRETRIAL MOTIONS AT A LATER TIME; DEFENDANT SHALL REFRAIN FROM ALL CONTACT, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, WITH FREDERICKA CAROL WAGNER, RITA JO NEWCOMB, ANGELA JO WAGNER, GEORGE WASHINGTON WAGNER IV, AND EDWARD JACOB WAGNER; THIS ORDER SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO PREVENT CONTACT AND CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN DEFENDANT AND HIS SISTER, ROBIN WAGNER, WHO IS NOT A CO-DEFENDANT, CONCERNING MATTERS OTHER THAN THE CRIMINAL ACTIONS PENDING AGAINST THE DEFENDANT AND ANY CO-DEFENDANT; ORAL HEARING UPON THE MERITS OF SUCH 41 MOTIONS OF THE DEFENDANT IS SCHEDULED FOR FRIDAY, MARCH 29, 2019 AT 1:30PM; PRE-TRIAL HEARING IS ALSO SCHEDULED FOR FRIDAY, MARCH 29, 2019 AT 1:30PM

03/27/2019 JOURNAL ENTRY -- ORDER APPROPRIATING FUNDS NOT TO EXCEED $3,000.00 FOR A DEFENSE MITIGATION EXPERT FOR TRIAL; THIS SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED A FINAL AND/OR ABSOLUTE CAP, BUT RATHER AN INITIAL AUTHORIZATION, SUBJECT TO FURTHER ALLOCATION OF FUNDS UPON MOTION OF THE DEFENDANT AND FOR GOOD CAUSE SHOWN

03/27/2019 JOURNAL ENTRY -- ORDER APPROPRIATING FUNDS NOT TO EXCEED $3,000.00 FOR A PSYCHOLOGIST FOR MITIGATION PREPARATION; THIS SUM SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED A FINAL AND/OR ABSOLUTE CAP, BUT RATHER AN INITIAL AUTHORIZATION, SUBJECT TO FURTHER ALLOCATION OF FUNDS UPON MOTION OF THE DEFENDANT AND FOR GOOD CAUSE SHOWN

03/27/2019 JOURNAL ENTRY -- ORDER APPROPRIATING FUNDS NOT TO EXCEED $3,000.00 FOR A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR FOR TRIAL PREPARATION; THIS SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED A FINAL AND/OR ABSOLUTE CAP, BUT RATHER AN INITIAL AUTHORIZATION, SUBJECT TO FURTHER ALLOCATION OF FUNDS UPON MOTION OF THE DEFENDANT AND FOR GOOD CAUSE SHOWN

https://pikecountycpcourt.org/eserv...tv4QbTaEI4Yd0e6GRQBGtvEvYNLxGLZ4etWe8uh00XJ8Q

BBM for emphasis

I was busy during his hearing this PM, but assume this was covered in their discussions with the judge.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Not sure what you mean?

Maybe.... admitting and not omitting????

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I have no preconceived notions about her or her family. I only have what is documented to go by. Unless I missed it it has never been alleged by the state that the son used her computer to make the purchase, or has it? I maybe missed something. The volume of posts here makes it hard for me to keep up sometimes

On the transcript released the state doesn’t indicate they are looking at her for lying that the purchase was made by her.

Did I not put JMO=Just my Opinion at the end of my posts? If not i am sorry for the confusion.

It is my Opinion that Billy bought the vests using Fred's account and that is why Fred didn't know squat about the purchase.

 

[Betty P]

No, more like friends of the Rhoden's. MOO. I see Cool Cats posted the link that I forgot to.

I thought I read that the Manleys and Rhodens asked their friends not to talk to the people working on the Oxygen show. We will see how it comes out tomorrow.

I've learned to be skeptical of these shows. The most favorable coverage often goes to the side that has the most money. JMO

We'll see!

 

[IType]

Was George's ex-wife next? This looks very bad for the W's. Appointing a guardian 19 days before the mother is murdered? SMH

Trial date set for grandmother accused of forgery, perjury in Rhoden and Gilley murders
Those documents appointed guardians for the children of Hanna Rhoden, Jake Wagner and George Wagner in case they died. Hanna Rhoden and Jake Wagner had a daughter together. According to the indictment, the documents were signed on April 3, 2016 -- 19 days before Hanna Rhoden, her family and Hannah Gilley were murdered in their homes.

I was assuming that the "forged custody papers" were referring to legal papers trying to get HMR to simply voluntarily give up her parental rights of SW to JW. BUT, in RN's discovery, the document is listed as "Declaration of Appointment of Guardian for my Children in the Event of my Death or Incapacity (Hanna Rhoden)" (as per the above-mentioned link). Holy Schnikies! In retrospect, that spells out exactly what their plan was--as plain as the nose on your face! To me, sounds reminiscent of taking out a life insurance policy on someone then having them killed. Sends chills down my spine!

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Interesting. So it sounds like most of the people they talked to are friends and relatives of the Wagners.

Also interesting they mention AW being angry with Hanna for splitting up with Jake. Follows my original theory that AW was the one who was obsessed with getting full custody of S.

Billy's ex SIL didn't help him and Angie much by telling about the bad blood between Hanna and Angie. Must be bad blood between the SIL and Angie also.

If it is Billy's ex sister in law it must be his brothers ex wife right? Since him and Angie were not divorced.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I was assuming that the "forged custody papers" were referring to legal papers trying to get HMR to simply voluntarily give up her parental rights of SW to JW. BUT, in RN's discovery, the document is listed as "Declaration of Appointment of Guardian for my Children in the Event of my Death or Incapacity (Hanna Rhoden)" (as per the above-mentioned link). Holy Schnikies! In retrospect, that spells out exactly what their plan was--as plain as the nose on your face! To me, sounds reminiscent of taking out a life insurance policy on someone then having them killed. Sends chills down my spine!

And Grandma Rita was right there in on it all. She forged the papers.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I thought I read that the Manleys and Rhodens asked their friends not to talk to the people working on the Oxygen show. We will see how it comes out tomorrow.

I've learned to be skeptical of these shows. The most favorable coverage often goes to the side that has the most money. JMO

We'll see!

I noticed Pastor Fulton in a video.

 

[Big Ears]

At the end of the hearing, everybody stood as the judge made his departure from the bench, Billy turned to face the spectators and clearly mouthed words to somebody - maybe RW?

Man, he’s big! I watched as he unpacked himself from the back of the Sheriffs cruiser today (via Twitter).

As an equestrian, I can assure you that horse folks do not wear BPV’s (except in the case of a mounted police officer). Equestrians and trainers generally wear a helmet and padded vest which will absorb a kick, or protect ribs from a mounted fall, but padded equestrian vests are well and truly different vests entirely from BPV.