OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#46

[Howcanppldosuch]

Not if LE does not know he did that. They can only charge someone if they know they did something illegal...

That isn’t necessarily true, police can charge you anytime they wish with anything they wish. Grand Juries decide if the charges stick basicly in higher level crimes. Police are likely to only bring charges they think they can prove for several reasons like, double jeopardy, unlawful imprisonment lawsuits, track record ( police don’t want a string of loosing cases) among other things.

That concept you say, police only charge if they ‘know’ the person done it, goes contrary to the notion ‘innocence until proven guilty’.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

That form is requesting the juvenile records of the witnesses. Meaning their criminal record as juveniles. Not an actual juvenile.

Agree

 

[Johnny B Bad]

That form is requesting the juvenile records of the witnesses. Meaning their criminal record as juveniles. Not an actual juvenile.

I wonder why how about you?

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Does anyone think that SW or BR will be asked to testify? WHO is the juvenile?View attachment 178479

The defense attorneys ask to disclosure criminal records of witnesses including offenses committed when they were juvenile. This is to attack their credibility. This is what I understand. big JMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Was it not just a few weeks ago we were discussing the state accepting a plea deal to save to State of Ohio money and most everyone was against doing that?

I don't remember this. Do you know the thread and page? Of course I don't want to push a discussion that was already discussed.

 

[Cool Cats]

Let the state of Ohio sell Flying W Farm to pay all fees!

Okay. I get it. Everyone wants the death penalty. I just thought it was worth some introspection. My bad. I think death keeps them from thinking about what they did in this world. But it's a touchy subject. I get it.

Next subject..................

 

[rsd1200]

Okay. I get it. Everyone wants the death penalty.

I'm anti death penalty but it's based on my spiritual beliefs, however, even if it weren't;

Studies of the California death penalty system, the largest in the US, have revealed that a death sentence costs at least 18 times as much as a sentence of life without parole would cost.

In 2012, the National Research Council reviewed all of the deterrence studies from all sides of the issue and found there was no credible evidence that the death penalty deters murder.

Many family members who have lost love ones to murder feel that a death sentence will not heal their wounds nor provide closure. Aside from the evidence that the death penalty is not the best way to help the survivors, the huge costs of the death penalty waste money that could be used to help families put their lives back together through counseling, restitution, crime victim hotlines, and other services addressing their needs.

A sentence of life in prison without parole is in fact a sentence of death in prison. No adult sentenced to life without parole (LWOP) anywhere in the US has ever been released on parole.

The execution of an innocent person is a wrong that can never be put right. Since the 1970s, 161 people have been exonerated from death rows around the US. In many of those cases, the exoneration came after a long legal battle and thanks to the extraordinary efforts of people working outside the system. Any one of the 156 death row exonorees could have just have easily been executed.

5 Myths About the Death Penalty - Death Penalty Focus

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm anti death penalty but it's based on my spiritual beliefs, however, even if it weren't;

Studies of the California death penalty system, the largest in the US, have revealed that a death sentence costs at least 18 times as much as a sentence of life without parole would cost.

In 2012, the National Research Council reviewed all of the deterrence studies from all sides of the issue and found there was no credible evidence that the death penalty deters murder.

Many family members who have lost love ones to murder feel that a death sentence will not heal their wounds nor provide closure. Aside from the evidence that the death penalty is not the best way to help the survivors, the huge costs of the death penalty waste money that could be used to help families put their lives back together through counseling, restitution, crime victim hotlines, and other services addressing their needs.

A sentence of life in prison without parole is in fact a sentence of death in prison. No adult sentenced to life without parole (LWOP) anywhere in the US has ever been released on parole.

The execution of an innocent person is a wrong that can never be put right. Since the 1970s, 161 people have been exonerated from death rows around the US. In many of those cases, the exoneration came after a long legal battle and thanks to the extraordinary efforts of people working outside the system. Any one of the 156 death row exonorees could have just have easily been executed.

5 Myths About the Death Penalty - Death Penalty Focus

Thankx so much for your frank and honest opinion. Even though it's in the minority and is not a "popular" stance. As if LWOP means your soft on crime. Let the murderers have a lifetime of being totally controlled and totally cut off and have many years to know WHY this is the life they now lead.

 

[rsd1200]

Thankx so much for your frank and honest opinion. Even though it's in the minority and is not a "popular" stance. As if LWOP means your soft on crime. Let the murderers have a lifetime of being totally controlled and totally cut off and have many years to know WHY this is the life they now lead.

Serving LWOP, in a detention facility, let alone a Max or SuperMax, would be a fate worse than death for me.

 

[buttonbaby]

Serving LWOP, in a detention facility, let alone a Max or SuperMax, would be a fate worse than death for me.

I completely agree.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Serving LWOP, in a detention facility, let alone a Max or SuperMax, would be a fate worse than death for me.

All of us really know that all of them was not killed while sleeping, the Wagners didn’t get any satisfaction in that, Hanna G. Was over kill out of revenge, Dana also, and don’t think for a moment that Hannah R. Was killed while she slept, Jake wanted her to see it coming and little Chris heard it all start and was trying to hide, I don’t have a theory about Frankie being asleep but I think he was, Kenny was probably awake JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I completely agree.

I think little Jake needs to be in General Population, it might take that smile off his face, that guy has zero remorse, Angela is just as bad JMO

 

[Betty P]

That isn’t necessarily true, police can charge you anytime they wish with anything they wish. Grand Juries decide if the charges stick basicly in higher level crimes. Police are likely to only bring charges they think they can prove for several reasons like, double jeopardy, unlawful imprisonment lawsuits, track record ( police don’t want a string of loosing cases) among other things.

That concept you say, police only charge if they ‘know’ the person done it, goes contrary to the notion ‘innocence until proven guilty’.

Not to quibble, but it's the prosecutor who makes the final decision about whether or which charges to bring against someone. Police arrest according to specific charges, but prosecutors (and sometimes grand juries) who must approve those charges and present them in court.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I think he was there and noticed things that LE would confiscate and decided that was a waste. When he went back with BR, there would be proof his fresh prints and DNA should be there... As I said, MY OPINION ONLY.

Wouldn't his cell phone pings show if he was there earlier? DS going there earlier, finding him deceased, then going back later with Luke just doesn't hit high on my possibilities list. That's my opinion. Nothing wrong with different opinions.

 

[Dudly]

I don't remember this. Do you know the thread and page? Of course I don't want to push a discussion that was already discussed.

It was shortly after the arrests when news media mentioned what the trials will cost.

 

[Dudly]

I'm anti death penalty but it's based on my spiritual beliefs, however, even if it weren't;

Studies of the California death penalty system, the largest in the US, have revealed that a death sentence costs at least 18 times as much as a sentence of life without parole would cost.

In 2012, the National Research Council reviewed all of the deterrence studies from all sides of the issue and found there was no credible evidence that the death penalty deters murder.

Many family members who have lost love ones to murder feel that a death sentence will not heal their wounds nor provide closure. Aside from the evidence that the death penalty is not the best way to help the survivors, the huge costs of the death penalty waste money that could be used to help families put their lives back together through counseling, restitution, crime victim hotlines, and other services addressing their needs.

A sentence of life in prison without parole is in fact a sentence of death in prison. No adult sentenced to life without parole (LWOP) anywhere in the US has ever been released on parole.

The execution of an innocent person is a wrong that can never be put right. Since the 1970s, 161 people have been exonerated from death rows around the US. In many of those cases, the exoneration came after a long legal battle and thanks to the extraordinary efforts of people working outside the system. Any one of the 156 death row exonorees could have just have easily been executed.

5 Myths About the Death Penalty - Death Penalty Focus

It has been talked about for years that a DP judgement is much more expensive to prosecute and because of appeals.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Thankx so much for your frank and honest opinion. Even though it's in the minority and is not a "popular" stance. As if LWOP means your soft on crime. Let the murderers have a lifetime of being totally controlled and totally cut off and have many years to know WHY this is the life they now lead.

I live in a death penalty state. We are right behind Texas in executions. But I do believe it is wrong to take a life. Any life.

That includes animals. My belief is when you stand before your maker you better have a good reason for every animal life you took. If it is for food, that is acceptable. But if you wantonly kill something for pleasure or just out of pure evil I feel you will be judged for that. It is my belief that the earth and all life on it should be respected and to kill something just to be killing it is a sin against the earth we live on. But that is my belief only and I don't expect anyone to agree.

JMO

 

[Loomis124]

Are we allowed to pose a question about the August 15, 2018 Ohio Uniform Incident Report listed in AW's discovery?

"An incident is defined as one or more offenses committed by the same offender, or group of offenders acting in concert, at the same place and time.

The concept of acting in concert provides: that the offenders actually commit or assist in the commission of a crime(s). The offenders must be aware of, and consent to, the commission of the crime(s); or even if nonconsenting, their actions assist in the commission of the offense(s).

The concept of the same time and place provides: if more than one crime was committed by the same person or group of persons and the time and place intervals seperating them were insignificant, all of the crimes make up a single incident."

https://ocjs.ohio.gov/oibrs/Forms/UIR_Training.pdf

Does anyone have a link to EW's filed report, please? TY

 

[Loomis124]

Since that Uniform Incident Report from AW's discovery was filed from Ohio and not Alaska, does that mean that JW's wife was physically in Ohio back in August 2018 when it was filed?

Most definitely, in my opinion. Do you have a link where it can be found, please? Thanks!

 

[Dudly]

Here is something to think about on the charges:
If the driver had prior knowledge of the crime to be committed, and did something to encourage or assist the main actor to commit the crime, he is a principal and the law treats him as if he did all the things the other person did, if he knew the crime would be committed, and did some act or said some word to assist the person to commit the crime. There are plenty of people in the slammer, not only for robbery, but for the homicide committed during the robbery, even though they had no knowledge that their armed buddies were going to shoot anyone.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/the-getaway-driver/