OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#46

[Tiff23fr]

But Billy’s name really isn’t Bill, Billy or William. He is George Washington Wagner III

I think aliases or nicknames are commonplace in this family.

 

[sunshineray]

Has anyone got an answer for this question, if a person is convicted of a felony can they go visit people in prison?

I don't know if anyone has answered you yet but I found this. It seems to quite involved and really depends on the facility and the prisoner you'd want to visit.
Can a Felon Visit Someone in Prison? - JobsForFelonsHub.com

 

[Loomis124]

Sex trafficking: Trapped and trafficked, Portsmouth's dark secret

Yes, and he is a sleezeball if there ever was one. Acts like a Wagner...ha ha...entitled.

Status Conference for Jake Wagner posponed....Tuesday April 16, 2019

Status hearing for Edward Wagner postponed - Portsmouth Daily Times

"A status hearing set for early Tuesday morning in the ongoing legal proceedings against multiple murder suspect Edward “Jake” Wagner was indefinitely postponed.

No reason was publicly given for the postponement and according to an official of the Pike County Court of Common Pleas, no new date has been set for the hearing.

Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk was not immediately available for comment regarding the postponed hearing Tuesday morning. In any case, Junk may have been unwilling or unable to talk to the media as Common Pleas Judge Randy Deering, who is presiding over the Rhoden murder cases, has long since imposed a gag order blocking anyone directly connected with the court proceedings from speaking with reporters.

As of early Tuesday afternoon, the Common Pleas court website still listed Tuesday as the date for the conference hearing.

Status conferences in criminal proceedings generally involve discussions amongst the attorneys for both the defense and prosecution as well as the presiding judge in an attempt to determine the progress and direction of the case, often focusing on various evidentiary issues or pretrial motions. Such hearings generally are open to the public as Tuesday’s hearing would have been.

In this instance, with the agreement of defense attorneys, Wagner would not have been present at the hearing Tuesday. His attorneys indicated they would advise their client regarding the happenings at the status hearing at a later date.

Barring any further scheduling changes, Wagner will need to be back in court for his fourth pretrial hearing scheduled for May 14, 2019. "

Yeah, maybe AC reminded the defense attorneys the proceedings had to be public, and Jake said no way, if he wasn't present. Or...this was completely planned by the defense, and if so, disappointed in Judge for not being all over this. JMO

 

[Betty P]

Capital cases get super due process - Portsmouth Daily Times

 

[Tiff23fr]

Adams County Pike County; lay preachers, stolen goods, William “E” “Billy”
Scratches head

One more to add to the list... RR2 Piketon

 

[rsd1200]

Thank you! I can see it in that picture, I'm not familiar with any of those symbols but believe when you state the meaning.

I could be wrong, but I see them differently. I like to dig beyond the surface. G3 got the tatts, after the murders, I'm almost positive. The Rs and HHG are white as rice, and I do not see any racial mixing in their family, (for example, say CH had been a person of color, or S was going to have a bi-racial sibling), that could set off a racist murder spree by a family of white supremacists.

Tatts are very personal for most folks (Names are too, whether naming an animal or a human baby).

That's why I believe the valknut and rune(s) that are on G3's arm could be more symbolic of the crimes that he, and his sons, are accused of committing, rather than waiting til he was 45 years old, and murdered eight white people, to display in full view, that he's a racist. If never caught, he could wear a sort of souvenir, of what they did, on his skin, in full display of everyone, and no one would be the wiser.

One theory that I have is that he and his sons, alone, planned and committed the murders. The Valknut may be symbolic of Odin (G3) and two of Odin's favored sons (G4/JW) for example, the knot ties them together in destroying their enemies. Why Odin? Odin was the most powerful god and one bad*** dude.

The word valknut is a neologism: it is formed in modern times through combination of ON valr, ‘the dead’ or ‘the slain’ and knut, ‘knot’.

Valknut: Odin’s Symbol of Norse Viking Warriors

It's quite possible that G3 is a racist, too, idk, but I personally think the tatt has a deeper meaning. Like his scorpion (lethal, loner), but the placement has meaning too... trigger finger.

 

[rsd1200]

Thinking they were slick concerning the murders is really up for interpretation. Some, like Sheriff Reader feel they left a trail to follow and were very untruthful to investigators. So red flags were there. It takes awhile to build a case against one let alone six. Better to take the time and get it right, get convictions. We will see.

BBM
So true. They took such heat for it too. I think they have done a really good job so far and faster than I'd thought after not finding the shooter among the deceased.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I don't know if anyone has answered you yet but I found this. It seems to quite involved and really depends on the facility and the prisoner you'd want to visit.
Can a Felon Visit Someone in Prison? - JobsForFelonsHub.com

When Angie Canepa gets thru with Fredericka, she will not be allowed to see her family if they go to prison.

 

[sunshineray]

I could be wrong, but I see them differently. I like to dig beyond the surface. G3 got the tatts, after the murders, I'm almost positive. The Rs and HHG are white as rice, and I do not see any racial mixing in their family, (for example, say CH had been a person of color, or S was going to have a bi-racial sibling), that could set off a racist murder spree by a family of white supremacists.

Tatts are very personal for most folks (Names are too, whether naming an animal or a human baby).

That's why I believe the valknut and rune(s) that are on G3's arm could be more symbolic of the crimes that he, and his sons, are accused of committing, rather than waiting til he was 45 years old, and murdered eight white people, to display in full view, that he's a racist. If never caught, he could wear a sort of souvenir, of what they did, on his skin, in full display of everyone, and no one would be the wiser.

One theory that I have is that he and his sons, alone, planned and committed the murders. The Valknut may be symbolic of Odin (G3) and two of Odin's favored sons (G4/JW) for example, the knot ties them together in destroying their enemies. Why Odin? Odin was the most powerful god and one bad*** dude.


Valknut: Odin’s Symbol of Norse Viking Warriors

It's quite possible that G3 is a racist, too, idk, but I personally think the tatt has a deeper meaning. Like his scorpion (lethal, loner), but the placement has meaning too... trigger finger.

I don't personally feel BW having an affiliation with or even just a shared ideology with the white supremacy movement had anything directly to do with the R murders. I do think it though it reveals his character. AJMO

 

[Betty P]

I could be wrong, but I see them differently. I like to dig beyond the surface. G3 got the tatts, after the murders, I'm almost positive. The Rs and HHG are white as rice, and I do not see any racial mixing in their family, (for example, say CH had been a person of color, or S was going to have a bi-racial sibling), that could set off a racist murder spree by a family of white supremacists.

Tatts are very personal for most folks (Names are too, whether naming an animal or a human baby).

That's why I believe the valknut and rune(s) that are on G3's arm could be more symbolic of the crimes that he, and his sons, are accused of committing, rather than waiting til he was 45 years old, and murdered eight white people, to display in full view, that he's a racist. If never caught, he could wear a sort of souvenir, of what they did, on his skin, in full display of everyone, and no one would be the wiser.

One theory that I have is that he and his sons, alone, planned and committed the murders. The Valknut may be symbolic of Odin (G3) and two of Odin's favored sons (G4/JW) for example, the knot ties them together in destroying their enemies. Why Odin? Odin was the most powerful god and one bad*** dude.


Valknut: Odin’s Symbol of Norse Viking Warriors

It's quite possible that G3 is a racist, too, idk, but I personally think the tatt has a deeper meaning. Like his scorpion (lethal, loner), but the placement has meaning too... trigger finger.

And then there was all that symbolism from the Boondocks Saints movie mixed in. They seemed to invent their own tattoos, too.

boondock saints tattoos - Google Search:

It could have had dual meanings for Billy. I have no doubts he's a racist as well. Those kinds of tattoos are unfortunately becoming more popular these days.

 

[sunshineray]

BBM
So true. They took such heat for it too. I think they have done a really good job so far and faster than I'd thought after not finding the shooter among the deceased.

I remember talking with my Dad, a retired law officer, early on about the case. He said, "Oh this is going to take awhile." He was a strict dot the i's and cross the t's kind of cop, so that was his perspective.

 

[evelezrn]

JMO.

Tattoos take time.

I'll bet G3 didn't just sit there in silence while he was being tattooed. G3 and the artist probably had a convo regarding why he chose those particular designs and why they were significant to him.

IIRC, at least one of his tattoos was mentioned in discovery.

I'll bet prosecutor AC has already interviewed the artist(s) who did G3's ink and knows the answers.

 

[rsd1200]

I don't personally feel BW having an affiliation with or even just a shared ideology with the white supremacy movement had anything directly to do with the R murders. I do think it though it reveals his character. AJMO

If my theory on the tatts is correct, they are not white supremacist tatts, and G3 has no affiliation with a white supremacy movement. I could be wrong though. He may be the grand pubah of the Ohio KKK.

 

[Betty P]

JMO.

Tattoos take time.

I'll bet G3 didn't just sit there in silence while he was being tattooed. G3 and the artist probably had a convo regarding why he chose those particular designs and why they were significant to him.

IIRC, at least one of his tattoos was mentioned in discovery.

I'll bet prosecutor AC has already interviewed the artist(s) who did G3's ink and knows the answers.

Great observation! Have never had a tattoo, never will, but that sounds logical. Hope LE has taken your advice about interviewing the artist.

 

[rsd1200]

JMO.

Tattoos take time.

I'll bet G3 didn't just sit there in silence while he was being tattooed. G3 and the artist probably had a convo regarding why he chose those particular designs and why they were significant to him.

IIRC, at least one of his tattoos was mentioned in discovery.

I'll bet prosecutor AC has already interviewed the artist(s) who did G3's ink and knows the answers.

I can personally say, I've never had an artist quiz me on any of mine. I tell them what I want, and approve the design, and they do their job. Not a lot of chit chat.

 

[sunshineray]

If my theory on the tatts is correct, they are not white supremacist tatts, and G3 has no affiliation with a white supremacy movement. I could be wrong though. He may be the grand pubah of the Ohio KKK.

Grand pubah lol. I wouldn't go that far but I do think his ideology swings in that direction. AJMO

 

[rsd1200]

Grand pubah lol. I wouldn't go that far but I do think his ideology swings in that direction. AJMO

I couldn't think of Grand Dragon, lol. Grand Pubah is from The Flintstones!

 

[Jonas_Klein]

I could be wrong, but I see them differently. I like to dig beyond the surface. G3 got the tatts, after the murders, I'm almost positive. The Rs and HHG are white as rice, and I do not see any racial mixing in their family, (for example, say CH had been a person of color, or S was going to have a bi-racial sibling), that could set off a racist murder spree by a family of white supremacists.

Tatts are very personal for most folks (Names are too, whether naming an animal or a human baby).

That's why I believe the valknut and rune(s) that are on G3's arm could be more symbolic of the crimes that he, and his sons, are accused of committing, rather than waiting til he was 45 years old, and murdered eight white people, to display in full view, that he's a racist. If never caught, he could wear a sort of souvenir, of what they did, on his skin, in full display of everyone, and no one would be the wiser.

One theory that I have is that he and his sons, alone, planned and committed the murders. The Valknut may be symbolic of Odin (G3) and two of Odin's favored sons (G4/JW) for example, the knot ties them together in destroying their enemies. Why Odin? Odin was the most powerful god and one bad*** dude.


Valknut: Odin’s Symbol of Norse Viking Warriors

It's quite possible that G3 is a racist, too, idk, but I personally think the tatt has a deeper meaning. Like his scorpion (lethal, loner), but the placement has meaning too... trigger finger.

This case is definitely not racially motivated. No doubt. I agree. But it doesn't need to be to label G3 as a white supremacist.

When you hate people, you hate people. You think you own the land and a few other things: schools, women, jobs. You think that laws and fundamental right aren't protecting you from the threat of others. You think you need to solve the problem yourself with violence if needed.

The sociopathic behaviour is where the connection is between this case and the tattoos. Nothing more. JMO.

 

[rsd1200]

This case is definitely not racially motivated. No doubt. I agree. But it doesn't need to be to label G3 as a white supremacist.

When you hate people, you hate people. You think you own the land and a few other things: schools, women, jobs. You think that laws and fundamental right aren't protecting you from the threat of others. You think you need to solve the problem yourself with violence if needed.

The sociopathic behaviour is where the connection is between this case and the tattoos. Nothing more. JMO.

BBM
True. However, there is a big difference in hating someone, and taking it to the point of murdering them. Even the majority of sociopaths don't murder people. It's another reason why I think it has to be more than control of the children.

 

[Dudly]

I wonder if FW was behind this...
Auditor: Investigation into Pike County Sheriff ‘close’ to wrapping up