OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#47

[sunshineray]

See post compliments of cool cats:

The picture in Exhibit 3 looks to be where the LE actually found the bulletproof vests. I know the photo has either translated poorly to scrib or was intentionally darkened but it looks like there's a lot of tiles and a sink (on the left)? If you zoom in I'm sure I see a white bleach bottle along with a smaller cleaning product bottle next to it. Did they find these vests in a bathroom? That would be odd to me. Another thing I noticed in the bottom right hand corner, looks like a dog's water bowl?

Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

 

[sunshineray]

I think there was trouble in paradise, before, and after, the murders took place, too.

Yes, that the mother's of W children were not towing the line and being subservient enough for their liking. AJMO

 

[rsd1200]

Idk.
If I knew I had hidden evidence of a murder on my property, I would avoid telling police I lived at that specific address, especially if I had another believable address I could supply. Seems like Peterson was used as an address for custody purposes by Jake alone, no one wanted to admit to living there. Wonder why. And then the property was sold.

I do believe that Bethel may be where they found burned evidence (no proof, just a thought). There's no trailer(s) there anymore. Looks only to be a barn type structure.

 

[rsd1200]

Yes, that the mother's of W children were not towing the line and being subservient enough for their liking. AJMO

I was meaning between AW and G3.

 

[OhioBlues]

Jmo I find it interesting that in the temporary custody filed on April 28, 2016 Billy is not listed as living with them on Peterson jmo

I don't believe BW was living there. I believe BW and AW separated and possibly BW was involved with someone else and living at FW's.

jmo. moo.

 

[OhioBlues]

The picture in Exhibit 3 looks to be where the LE actually found the bulletproof vests. I know the photo has either translated poorly to scrib or was intentionally darkened but it looks like there's a lot of tiles and a sink (on the left)? If you zoom in I'm sure I see a white bleach bottle along with a smaller cleaning product bottle next to it. Did they find these vests in a bathroom? That would be odd to me. Another thing I noticed in the bottom right hand corner, looks like a dog's water bowl?

Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

They found the vests in BW's room. The photos were taken in a bathroom. There are photos etc somewhere in the past few threads.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

See if this copy paste works. I'm not sure if the links will stay in tact. If not it's on the media and timeline thread.

Angela Wagner Discovery 3.20.19 Rule 16B
Angela Wagner

Angela Wagner’s Motions 12.14.18
Angela.wagner.motions.12.14.18

Fredericka Wagner Motion to Modify House Arrest 11.27.18
Fredericka Docs Dms Dkt File

Fredericka Wagner Exhibit 1
Exhibit 1 Wagner, Fredericka

Fredericka Wagner Motion to Dismiss 3.15.19
Fredericka Wagner 2019.03.15 Moton to Dismiss Final

Fredericka Wagner States Motion Gag Order 3.22.19
Fredericka Wagner Gag Order

Rita Newcomb Discovery 3.28.19
Newcomb Discovery

Jake Wagner Discovery 12.20.18 Rule 16B
Discovery

Jake Wagner Bill Particulars 1.24.19
Jake Wagner Bill of Particulars

Thank you

 

[rsd1200]

The picture in Exhibit 3 looks to be where the LE actually found the bulletproof vests. I know the photo has either translated poorly to scrib or was intentionally darkened but it looks like there's a lot of tiles and a sink (on the left)? If you zoom in I'm sure I see a white bleach bottle along with a smaller cleaning product bottle next to it. Did they find these vests in a bathroom? That would be odd to me. Another thing I noticed in the bottom right hand corner, looks like a dog's water bowl?

Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

That's the pic of the bathroom that we had earlier only it was in color (iirc). It gave much better detail.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Jmo I find it interesting that in the temporary custody filed on April 28, 2016 Billy is not listed as living with them on Peterson jmo

I have been reading the evidence reports and how the State have’s a Law That Says A Gag Order On Inmates That The Accused Talk’s Or Brag To Can’t Be Used In Court, it’s kinda stupid law if if you think about it, if the guilty was to confess to another inmate, right or wrong that is animations of guilt, am I wrong for thinking this way. JMO

 

[Ann99]

I do believe that Bethel may be where they found burned evidence (no proof, just a thought). There's no trailer(s) there anymore. Looks only to be a barn type structure.

My opinion. Theory.
We could speculate on the timing and the order of destroying evidence.
I’ll guess burning at Bethel took place first, very early on.
I’ll guess Billy didn’t want to part with the silencer, so he kept that until
the last possible moment, probably throwing it down the well before going to Alaska.
Could Billy have constructed the silencer by himself, or did he have help? Maybe an unwitting person outside of the circle of the W4 who had no idea of the purpose or future use of the silencer

 

[Merrygirl]

I had heard this but have no link to support it. Do you have a link?

I also find it odd Jake used the Bethel Hill Rd address and not Peterson Rd when he was cited for a failure to control 9/28/16. Had he left Peterson Rd sometime after the murders but before the property sold?

I’ve seen the custody docs but not sure it is an approved source so I can’t link. This is jmoo: JW applied for custody the week after the murders and JW listed who all lived in his household. BW’s name was not listed and others have reported he was helping take care of his dad. So maybe he was living at the Bethel Hill residence way back then, although I would assume he was living at Fred’s in his “old” bedroom if he was caring for his dad. That might also explain an alternative starting place for the murders.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Jmo if trouble in paradise prior to murders, how could there be trust to plan and follow thru on a murder plan as big as it was jmo

It's a fair question. If AW and BW had marital issues, they could still work together in these murders. It would actually make more sense as to why both AW and BW were involved. One can't roll over on the other without taking down their own security net.

Maybe one or the other said fine, here is the solution to our problem. To fix it, you are in it with me. The boys are in it as well. You roll on me, you are rolling on yourself and your boys. After, we go our separate ways.

Just a possible scenario. No facts to support this in any way.

 

[Cool Cats]

That's the pic of the bathroom that we had earlier only it was in color (iirc). It gave much better detail.

Color photo of bullet proof vests in Fred's bathroom.....That's Fred's attorney, James Owen, holding the photo.

There are #8 Discovery Evidence Exhibits, this photo is from Exhibit #3.....labeled as "BCI PHOTOS of 2 VESTS."

https://expo.advance.net/img/c82000048e/width960/b04_11fredericka015b.jpeg

 

[Tiff23fr]

It's a fair question. If AW and BW had marital issues, they could still work together in these murders. It would actually make more sense as to why both AW and BW were involved. One can't roll over on the other without taking down their own security net.

Maybe one or the other said fine, here is the solution to our problem. To fix it, you are in it with me. The boys are in it as well. You roll on me, you are rolling on yourself and your boys. After, we go our separate ways.

Just a possible scenario. No facts to support this in any way.

IF this kind of thinking was going on, then it would be likely that both Angela and Billy pulled triggers. JMO

 

[ColMustard]

You could be right on it about that slingshot. Remember the pictures of the front of CRSR's trailer. It looked like there were hole(s) in a front window. Everyone discussing it at the time thought they might be gunshot holes from a struggle to get inside or shots from the inside going out, maybe they were from slingshot used to get someone to come to the door?

Was about to post the same thing.

Early on, several of us here were examining those pics. I recall the 'holes' were larger than even a 12ga. slug would leave. But a large marble, ball bearing, or even a rock would do it. Especially if the window is plexiglass as many office trailers have.

That's a trick seen in movies too.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Still wondering what was meant, and which crime scene they were referencing when these words were uttered??

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"It also appeared that, at one of the locations, the killer or killers had attempted to clean up after themselves, authorities said."

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Still wondering what was meant, and which crime scene they were referencing when these words were uttered??

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"It also appeared that, at one of the locations, the killer or killers had attempted to clean up after themselves, authorities said."

If I had to guess I would say CR because him and GR were dragged. That shows that the perps spent some time at the crime scene.

 

[Loomis124]

I don't think he had that tatt on there til after the murders. He's over 45 years old. I don't think he cares what his mother thinks.

I don't believe he had to think twice...he knew his Mommy Dearest would be so proud of him. After all...they never even once thought they would be arrested. JMO

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

I don't believe he had to think twice...he knew his Mommy Dearest would be so proud of him. After all...they never even once thought they would be arrested. JMO

Billy got the tattoo to taunt LE and intimidate people.
He thought there was no evidence that could link him to the murders, but he left a trail.

 

[Loomis124]

I don't believe BW was living there. I believe BW and AW separated and possibly BW was involved with someone else and living at FW's.

jmo. moo.

Involved with someone else??? Wow! Who?