OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#47

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[OhioBlues]

Personally, if someone told me that my grandchild wasn't mine biologically it wouldn't matter. I wouldn't love him any less and I would gladly support him. I know my child too. It wouldn't matter to him either.

JW is on that birth certificate from the document that I have heard about. Her last name is Wagner.

SW seemed to be a very loving mother and person. She shared custody when she wasn't required to do so. That's a good mother in my book and she would never have taken SW away from her daddy. Good parents do not hurt their kids like that. jmo. moo.

 

[Scakes]

You really don't think the courts did a DNA test on JW? I can't believe that is possible. It such an easy test to do and in child custody cases isn't it mandated, in this day and age, for just the reason your theory is based on?

Usually when the parents aren’t married the father has to sign an affidavit of parentage to be placed on the birth certificate. It basically is the father acknowledging he is the father and he doesn’t need a dna test. Now, if she took him for child support, he could ask for a dna test but I remember someone saying that She wasn’t getting child support. Not sure who so it’s jmo. Iirc they had a 50/50 split custody so usually support isn’t paid because they share her equally.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I would like to leave her out of it, believe me. But from the moment DeWine said the motive was custody of her it is impossible to discuss this crime without mentioning her. The best we can do is use her initials, which I have faithfully done along with an effort to use first names only of the victims and suspects.

I have a feeling that by the time she gets old enough to read this on WS, she is going to hear a lot worse things about Jake and the W's.

And all those newspaper articles about the murders and trials are going to be a whole lot easier to find than some thread on WS.

In conclusion, there is no way to shield this little girl from all this. Like it or not, DeWine made her a major part of it.

JMO

Dewine didn't. The W family did!

 

[OhioBlues]

Usually when the parents aren’t married the father has to sign an affidavit of parentage to be placed on the birth certificate. It basically is the father acknowledging he is the father and he doesn’t need a dna year. Now, if she took him for child support, he could ask for a dna test but I remember someone saying that She wasn’t getting child support. Not sure who so it’s jmo. Iirc they had a 50/50 split custody so usually support isn’t paid because they share her equally.

I am just jumping off of your post Scakes.

I posted a link (pages back) that your 1st sentence is exactly in agreement with Ohio law. (My son signed this form in Ohio. His last name is on the birth certificate. The girlfriend has complete custodial rights.) My son visits the child when she approves and she is very good about that.) JW was very lucky with 50/50 custody.

I don't believe that JW hired a lawyer to finalize what 'they agreed to'. No lawyer has came forward. It's more of their lies IMO.

JW didn't want anyone else to have HR. He needed her signature to take SW out of the country (thru Canada) and he did what so many creeps did. He killed her but he had to kill the rest of them to assure custody of SW.

People are possesions to him and the family is weird enough to go along with murdering 8 people to achieve his goals.

jmo. moo.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Personally, if someone told me that my grandchild wasn't mine biologically it wouldn't matter. I wouldn't love him any less and I would gladly support him. I know my child too. It wouldn't matter to him either.

JW is on that birth certificate from the document that I have heard about. Her last name is Wagner.

SW seemed to be a very loving mother and person. She shared custody when she wasn't required to do so. That's a good mother in my book and she would never have taken SW away from her daddy. Good parents do not hurt their kids like that. jmo. moo.

That's awesome and just shows what a loving and caring person you are. I can only hope that when my children are older and I have a grandchild I would feel the same way, and I'm pretty sure I would. The kids are so innocent in all of this.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I am specifically referring to the discussion about her parentage, none of us know that personal information, and really what does it matter.

The family all accepted that JW was indeed the biological parent as did his family. Little one loved him regardless. Does it really matter? Besides, the discussion reflects poorly on HR as well. JMO

It matters as far as understanding why the W's killed the R's. It matters as far as motive.

There is no doubt that Jake loved SW. There is no doubt that SW loved him as the only dad she ever knew.

BBM
Besides, the discussion reflects poorly on HR as well.

How does it reflect poorly on Hannah? This is 2019 not the 1950's. A woman has the right to have a relationship with whomever she chooses. Whether she sleeps with one man or one thousand men it is her choice and no one has the right to try to sl..t shame her because of her choices. So again how does it reflect poorly on Hannah?

JMO

 

[OhioBlues]

That's awesome and just shows what a loving and caring person you are. I can only hope that when my children are older and I have a grandchild I would feel the same way, and I'm pretty sure I would. The kids are so innocent in all of this.

Thank you. I have no doubt that you will feel the same way.

 

[molly1255]

Thank you CC. But how did LE get that information? Did Jake provide it in one of his interviews? Or by other means?

JMO

JMO, Jake provided that information in a written statement when he went to court to get custody of SW after the murders. He stated he was in a mutually exclusive romantic relationship with HR and he provided the dates. AW also provided a written statement.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

DeWine said these murders were over custody. So apparently she wasn't willing to share custody with him.

JMO

It seems he wasn't satisfied with shared parenting. For whatever reason, he wanted full custody.

 

[Cool Cats]

Thank you CC. But how did LE get that information? Did Jake provide it in one of his interviews? Or by other means?

JMO

Your Welcome Raisin! Here's how LE got the information about Jake and Hanna. Yes Jake provided the information himself, but not in an interview, it was in the court custody documents he filed:
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In an affidavit signed by Jake Wagner, he said he and Hanna Rhoden had "approximately equal time with Sophia since her birth."

"Although Hanna and I were never married, one child was born during our co-habitation and exclusive romantic relationship, namely: Sophia May Wagner, born 11/18/2013 in Portsmouth, Scioto County, Ohio," the affidavit states.

Jake Wagner wrote, "During our 2013 to 2015 co-habitation and exclusive romantic relationship, Hanna and I lived in either the home of my Mother or her Mother. At that time, Hanna continued to attend school and did not work and I worked on my family's farm as well as drove an eighteen-wheeler, which I share with my Brother. In late March 2015, Hanna decided that I worked too much and that I did not have enough time for her. Therefore, Hanna ended our co-habitation and exclusive romantic relationship. Hanna and I continued a non-exclusive romantic relationship while we shared the parenting of Sophia."

Jake Wagner said that Hanna told him in August, 2015 that she was pregnant with her second child. "I was happy even though Hanna explained to me that she could not be sure that the baby was mine," Jake Wagner said.

According to the affidavit, "In late September 2015, Hanna decided that she and I would not continue any romantic relationship while we continued to share the parenting of Sophia."

Jake Wagner's mother, Angela Wagner, signed a similar affidavit.

Jake Wagner was granted temporary custody of Sophia on May 4, 2016.

On June 16, 2016, a court entry was filed by Pike County Juvenile Court Judge Robert Rosenberger granting that reads, "After presentation of the evidence, the Court finds that there has been a change in the circumstances of the child and/or custodial parent, specifically: the Mother, Hanna May Rhoden is deceased; and that changing the residential parent and legal custodian is in the best interests of the child."
_______________________________________________________________

WLWT has not been able to find any documents related to the custody of Sophia that was dated prior to April 22, 2016.
_______________________________________________________________

A Rhoden family member told WLWT that Jake Wagner tried to get Hanna to sign over her rights to Sophia weeks before the murders. The Rhoden family said she refused to do so.
_______________________________________________________________

“Jake was really good friends with and was really close with the family until the custody battle came up,” said the Rev. Phil Fulton, pastor of Union Hill Church. "_______________________________________________________________

Pike County murders: Court docs reveal custody battle at heart of killings

Why I Care:
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[RAISINISBACK]

Your Welcome Raisin! Here's how LE got the information about Jake and Hanna. Yes Jake provided the information himself, but not in an interview, it was in the court custody documents he filed:
_______________________________________________________________

In an affidavit signed by Jake Wagner, he said he and Hanna Rhoden had "approximately equal time with Sophia since her birth."

"Although Hanna and I were never married, one child was born during our co-habitation and exclusive romantic relationship, namely: Sophia May Wagner, born 11/18/2013 in Portsmouth, Scioto County, Ohio," the affidavit states.

Jake Wagner wrote, "During our 2013 to 2015 co-habitation and exclusive romantic relationship, Hanna and I lived in either the home of my Mother or her Mother. At that time, Hanna continued to attend school and did not work and I worked on my family's farm as well as drove an eighteen-wheeler, which I share with my Brother. In late March 2015, Hanna decided that I worked too much and that I did not have enough time for her. Therefore, Hanna ended our co-habitation and exclusive romantic relationship. Hanna and I continued a non-exclusive romantic relationship while we shared the parenting of Sophia."

Jake Wagner said that Hanna told him in August, 2015 that she was pregnant with her second child. "I was happy even though Hanna explained to me that she could not be sure that the baby was mine," Jake Wagner said.

According to the affidavit, "In late September 2015, Hanna decided that she and I would not continue any romantic relationship while we continued to share the parenting of Sophia."

Jake Wagner's mother, Angela Wagner, signed a similar affidavit.

Jake Wagner was granted temporary custody of Sophia on May 4, 2016.

On June 16, 2016, a court entry was filed by Pike County Juvenile Court Judge Robert Rosenberger granting that reads, "After presentation of the evidence, the Court finds that there has been a change in the circumstances of the child and/or custodial parent, specifically: the Mother, Hanna May Rhoden is deceased; and that changing the residential parent and legal custodian is in the best interests of the child."
_______________________________________________________________

WLWT has not been able to find any documents related to the custody of Sophia that was dated prior to April 22, 2016.
_______________________________________________________________

A Rhoden family member told WLWT that Jake Wagner tried to get Hanna to sign over her rights to Sophia weeks before the murders. The Rhoden family said she refused to do so.
_______________________________________________________________

“Jake was really good friends with and was really close with the family until the custody battle came up,” said the Rev. Phil Fulton, pastor of Union Hill Church. "_______________________________________________________________

Pike County murders: Court docs reveal custody battle at heart of killings

See this is what bothers me. Why jump through all those hoops if Jake is the bio? Why not just present a DNA test and be done with it?
BBM

"After presentation of the evidence, the Court finds that there has been a change in the circumstances of the child and/or custodial parent, specifically: the Mother, Hanna May Rhoden is deceased; and that changing the residential parent and legal custodian is in the best interests of the child."

This wording of the Court makes me think the judge knows he is not the bio but has decided that it is in the best interest of the child to award custody to Jake because of the prior father daughter relationship between them. I just find it extremely odd that he had to do all this (statements, baby pics, dragging mama in on it, having granny forge documents) when a simple DNA test would have said it all.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

See this is what bothers me. Why jump through all those hoops if Jake is the bio? Why not just present a DNA test and be done with it?
BBM

"After presentation of the evidence, the Court finds that there has been a change in the circumstances of the child and/or custodial parent, specifically: the Mother, Hanna May Rhoden is deceased; and that changing the residential parent and legal custodian is in the best interests of the child."

This wording of the Court makes me think the judge knows he is not the bio but has decided that it is in the best interest of the child to award custody to Jake because of the prior father daughter relationship between them. I just find it extremely odd that he had to do all this (statements, baby pics, dragging mama in on it, having granny forge documents) when a simple DNA test would have said it all.

JMO

I hope you don't think I'm (choose your word) but where is everyone getting the information that Jake had to provide pictures of he and Sophie together? This is weird. Clue me in.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

@Caylee Advocate I would like to apologize for my bluntness in my reply to you.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I hope you don't think I'm (choose your word) but where is everyone getting the information that Jake had to provide pictures of he and Sophie together? This is weird.

I believe another poster posted it on here. Hmm..

Ok does anyone have a link on the baby pics?

Let me reword it then.

This wording of the Court makes me think the judge knows he is not the bio but has decided that it is in the best interest of the child to award custody to Jake because of the prior father daughter relationship between them. I just find it extremely odd that he had to do all this (statements, dragging mama in on it, having granny forge documents) when a simple DNA test would have said it all.


JMO

 

[Loomis124]

I cannot believe how things get entirely changed and distorted on here from where they originally began. Lord. It's like one of those gossip games played at parties where the ending story turns out to be totally different than it started. Sad.

 

[Cool Cats]

I believe another poster posted it on here. Hmm..

Ok does anyone have a link on the baby pics?

Let me reword it then.

This wording of the Court makes me think the judge knows he is not the bio but has decided that it is in the best interest of the child to award custody to Jake because of the prior father daughter relationship between them. I just find it extremely odd that he had to do all this (statements, dragging mama in on it, having granny forge documents) when a simple DNA test would have said it all.


JMO

Well, I have been reading a lot on here about Jake being the biological dad or not and I will state my own opinion even though you might not agree.

I think the Wagner's, if they did this horrible crime, are the kind of people WHO WOULD DO DNA TESTING ON ANY AND ALL CHILDREN WHO MIGHT EVEN REMOTELY BE THEIRS. I would bet my house that the Wagner's DNA tested Sophia the minute they had the chance.

I also bet my house that they DNA tested Hunter (GW4's son) the minute they had the chance!

 

[Cool Cats]

I cannot believe how things get entirely changed and distorted on here from where they originally began. Lord. It's like one of those gossip games played at parties where the ending story turns out to be totally different than it started. Sad.

Yeah. Things have gotten "different" lately. But hey, let's wait it out. 2 Trials in 2 months! A lot will be going on. A lot of important stuff on this very important case.

Don't lose sight people, we are here to see it through, to see Justice done. That's why I'm here.

 

[sunshineray]

I am just jumping off of your post Scakes.

I posted a link (pages back) that your 1st sentence is exactly in agreement with Ohio law. (My son signed this form in Ohio. His last name is on the birth certificate. The girlfriend has complete custodial rights.) My son visits the child when she approves and she is very good about that.) JW was very lucky with 50/50 custody.

I don't believe that JW hired a lawyer to finalize what 'they agreed to'. No lawyer has came forward. It's more of their lies IMO.

JW didn't want anyone else to have HR. He needed her signature to take SW out of the country (thru Canada) and he did what so many creeps did. He killed her but he had to kill the rest of them to assure custody of SW.

People are possesions to him and the family is weird enough to go along with murdering 8 people to achieve his goals.

jmo. moo.

The ludicrous and depraved thinking process you just described just rears up and smacks you in the face doesn't it!? It is incomprehensible to me. I do believe that DR's "evil ones" were the W's, I truly do. They were on her radar for a long time I think. Her kind heart and disposition unfortunately just never considered the scope of that evil. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

JMO, Jake provided that information in a written statement when he went to court to get custody of SW after the murders. He stated he was in a mutually exclusive romantic relationship with HR and he provided the dates. AW also provided a written statement.

I can only think from that, his name couldn't have been on SW's birth certificate? Wouldn't showing that have proven legally with one document what all the other things were meant to show in accumulation?