OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#48

[Cool Cats]

...very new to this conversation so forgive me if this has been mentioned before. A question I have is why just 2 vests?? Will at some point the defense(s) of the 4 try to free up the 2 of them from charges?? will just 2 of the 4 take the hit for all of them?? and if so which 2?...just a thought and your thoughts

Just My Thoughts.......

Welcome. Good questions. What your talking about is someone taking a plea deal and there just isn't any way that would work in their favor.

First of all someone would have to roll over on the others and as soon as you do that the whole family will turn against you. No visits from Robin, no money going into your commissary account, no help or support whatsoever from family on the outside.

Secondly, what are you going to plea bargain for? You will still end up with LWOP and will spend the rest of your life in a level 4 security unit. No "cushy" level 1 security for you. Not for 8 murders.

Those "boys" don't want anyone but them raising their children. Last October when the mother of George's son wanted more visitation, George demanded she get a psych evaluation. The only hope any of them have to be with those kids is to take it to trial.

Now if one of them is innocent, and had no knowledge or involvement, that person would have rolled already. That person would be absolutely livid that their family got them arrested for crimes they never committed. We haven't seen any signs of that.

I do not believe in any way shape or form that the 2 BPVs were used in the murders. Whatever BPVs they used are long gone with all the "special" shoes they bought, and with all their gloves and clothes. You don't dispose of what your wearing but then decide to keep 2 items out and put them in your mother's house for a search party to find.

 

[Betty P]

...very new to this conversation so forgive me if this has been mentioned before. A question I have is why just 2 vests?? Will at some point the defense(s) of the 4 try to free up the 2 of them from charges?? will just 2 of the 4 take the hit for all of them?? and if so which 2?...just a thought and your thoughts

The charges against FW are related to her lying to the GJ and/or LE about the purchase of the vests. The charges are related to 2 vests because those were the only vests LE found when they searched the Flying W property.

Many of us here believe all 4 of the W family killers wore BPVs that night, but we (the public) don't know what happened to those vests. They may have been destroyed or thrown away.

The prosecuting attorney has said the charges against Fredericka Wagner and her involvement cover more than just the vests, but we don't know yet what that means. JMO, I don't think it has anything to do with dropping charges against any of the other W4 family members. There's more evidence against all 4 than the vests. There's a ton of digital evidence like texts, cell phone calls, emails, and other electronic communications. There's weapons, the silencer, brass catcher, etc. used in the murders. There's evidence left in one of the vehicles owned by a W family member, also video surveillance of them shopping for shoes at Walmart stores, etc.

Keep in mind, also that any of the 4 W family killers can be convicted on the murder charges even if they were only involved in the planning or providing other assistance. Just knowing the murders were going to take place or that their family members killed the Rhodens is sufficient for a murder conviction.

All JMO, IANAL

ETA: I also find it relevant that Fred W is having her attorneys try to get the search warrants used when the vests were found thrown out of court. If, as she claims, she can provide legit receipts for the purchase of those two vests after the murders, why is she trying to get that evidence dismissed? If she has provided LE with the Ebay receipts, why worry? Case closed, not guilty, right? So, why fight the SW and evidence found during the search?

 

[rescuemom]

thanks ... your thoughts make sense and I hope they all are convicted!!!! I've been following when I can all of the various sites or news since soon after it happened. Truthfully, the Wagners weren't on my radar until much later. FW reminds me of a woman I knew at one time very well -- could actually have been her evil twin in looks, mannerisms, family, etc. Very controlling, very religious and the rules of life were for everyone else and always referenced the Bible and no one was good enough for her sons who were very wimpy. So it is hard for me to give FW any sympathy -- she is in this up to her eyeballs and dumb like a fox, jmo. I wonder if AW was always controlling or followed the rules of FW???

 

[Betty P]

And....Owen with a BEARD!!

The big hat reminded me of:

Seemed like an unusual style and color for a woman to wear, but that's JMO.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

The charges against FW are related to her lying to the GJ and/or LE about the purchase of the vests. The charges are related to 2 vests because those were the only vests LE found when they searched the Flying W property.

Many of us here believe all 4 of the W family killers wore BPVs that night, but we (the public) don't know what happened to those vests. They may have been destroyed or thrown away.

The prosecuting attorney has said the charges against Fredericka Wagner and her involvement cover more than just the vests, but we don't know yet what that means. JMO, I don't think it has anything to do with dropping charges against any of the other W4 family members. There's more evidence against all 4 than the vests. There's a ton of digital evidence like texts, cell phone calls, emails, and other electronic communications. There's weapons, the silencer, brass catcher, etc. used in the murders. There's evidence left in one of the vehicles owned by a W family member, also video surveillance of them shopping for shoes at Walmart stores, etc.

Keep in mind, also that any of the 4 W family killers can be convicted on the murder charges even if they were only involved in the planning or providing other assistance. Just knowing the murders were going to take place or that their family members killed the Rhodens is sufficient for a murder conviction.

All JMO, IANAL

ETA: I also find it relevant that Fred W is having her attorneys try to get the search warrants used when the vests were found thrown out of court. If, as she claims, she can provide legit receipts for the purchase of those two vests after the murders, why is she trying to get that evidence dismissed? If she has provided LE with the Ebay receipts, why worry? Case closed, not guilty, right? So, why fight the SW and evidence found during the search?

Betty once again you have provided an insightful view. If she has the receipts for the vests and they were bought after the murders why worry about the search warrants or try to get them thrown out. As AC says there is more to the charges against Fred than we on here know.

Now on to another question. Why wear sunglasses inside a dimly lit courtroom? Does she think she is the Duchess of Sussex? Or the First Lady? Did she expect paparazzi? lol

 

[Merrygirl]

So it's possible that's what the prosecutor has proof of, who knows.

Felons aren’t allowed to own weapons either.

 

[Merrygirl]

Did anyone listen today, after the hearing was over? Defense attorneys were going over to Fredericka's house! She even asked if she could ride with them. Lol. All a show. She knew the mic and camera was still on.

Oh, to be a fly on THAT wall!

 

[chigger]

I'm going to guess FW either had cataract surgery recently, or perhaps had her eyes dialated at a routine checkup that day. She is not a spring chicken. She still sucks, but I don't read anything extra into the glasses!

 

[Merrygirl]

I hope she's not trying to intimidate Ms Geneva. I don't think it will work. Fred is probably unhappy that Ms Geneva looks at GW3 with great loathing when he's in court. Fred is also probably fed up with Ms Geneva showing up for every hearing.

JMO

I watched the “almost” hearing yesterday and was thinking to myself that there was no barrier to keep Miss Geneva from knocking Fred into the middle of next week.

 

[Merrygirl]

The charges against FW are related to her lying to the GJ and/or LE about the purchase of the vests. The charges are related to 2 vests because those were the only vests LE found when they searched the Flying W property.

Many of us here believe all 4 of the W family killers wore BPVs that night, but we (the public) don't know what happened to those vests. They may have been destroyed or thrown away.

The prosecuting attorney has said the charges against Fredericka Wagner and her involvement cover more than just the vests, but we don't know yet what that means. JMO, I don't think it has anything to do with dropping charges against any of the other W4 family members. There's more evidence against all 4 than the vests. There's a ton of digital evidence like texts, cell phone calls, emails, and other electronic communications. There's weapons, the silencer, brass catcher, etc. used in the murders. There's evidence left in one of the vehicles owned by a W family member, also video surveillance of them shopping for shoes at Walmart stores, etc.

Keep in mind, also that any of the 4 W family killers can be convicted on the murder charges even if they were only involved in the planning or providing other assistance. Just knowing the murders were going to take place or that their family members killed the Rhodens is sufficient for a murder conviction.

All JMO, IANAL

ETA: I also find it relevant that Fred W is having her attorneys try to get the search warrants used when the vests were found thrown out of court. If, as she claims, she can provide legit receipts for the purchase of those two vests after the murders, why is she trying to get that evidence dismissed? If she has provided LE with the Ebay receipts, why worry? Case closed, not guilty, right? So, why fight the SW and evidence found during the search?

IF, and this is a big IF, Fred wasn’t privvy to the plan BEFORE the murders but found out after and didn’t share that knowledge with LE then she is guilty of obstruction. THAT might be what AC has on her. If she knew about the murders after the fact then admitted to the GJ that she purchased the bpv for BW because she was scared he would be next, then that would be her admitting she knew and therefore she was obstructing justice. That’s why AC isn’t worried about the dates on the bpv because those dates are insignificant. It’s the fact that Fred was trying to protect BW. Also, she lied about purchasing the vests in the first place when it’s evident that someone more computer savvy made the purchase on her account. This is JMO.

 

[Betty P]

IF, and this is a big IF, Fred wasn’t privvy to the plan BEFORE the murders but found out after and didn’t share that knowledge with LE then she is guilty of obstruction. THAT might be what AC has on her. If she knew about the murders after the fact then admitted to the GJ that she purchased the bpv for BW because she was scared he would be next, then that would be her admitting she knew and therefore she was obstructing justice. That’s why AC isn’t worried about the dates on the bpv because those dates are insignificant. It’s the fact that Fred was trying to protect BW. Also, she lied about purchasing the vests in the first place when it’s evident that someone more computer savvy made the purchase on her account. This is JMO.

Good guesses!

If LE/prosecution has evidence that Fred knew of the murders after the fact, they should charge her. If there's evidence she was present when GW3 , 4 and others were discussing revenge against LE, that should be enough for another obstruction charge, possibly perjury, too. The latter because they probably asked and she lied about having any knowledge of her family killing the Rhodens.

JMO, Fred doesn't realize how lucky she is that prosecutors haven't levied more charges against her. I don't understand why they wouldn't, but IANAL. As always, I think there's a lot more to these murders and the activities of the killers than the public will ever know. JMO

 

[Betty P]

Betty once again you have provided an insightful view. If she has the receipts for the vests and they were bought after the murders why worry about the search warrants or try to get them thrown out. As AC says there is more to the charges against Fred than we on here know.

Now on to another question. Why wear sunglasses inside a dimly lit courtroom? Does she think she is the Duchess of Sussex? Or the First Lady? Did she expect paparazzi? lol

Thanks, Raize!

The sunglasses are so odd. Maybe she has bloodshot eyes or something. I occasionally leave mine on when I go into the grocery store, etc., but mine are not darkly tinted. FW is odd, JMO.

ETA: Agreeing with chigger above, maybe she had been to the eye doctor.

 

[Dudly]

Good guesses!

If LE/prosecution has evidence that Fred knew of the murders after the fact, they should charge her. If there's evidence she was present when GW3 , 4 and others were discussing revenge against LE, that should be enough for another obstruction charge, possibly perjury, too. The latter because they probably asked and she lied about having any knowledge of her family killing the Rhodens.

JMO, Fred doesn't realize how lucky she is that prosecutors haven't levied more charges against her. I don't understand why they wouldn't, but IANAL. As always, I think there's a lot more to these murders and the activities of the killers than the public will ever know. JMO

I think the Prosecution charged FW with just enough to help keep her under some control but still able to let her incriminate herself further.
If she has the actual receipts for the BPVs found, she has nothing to worry about. But, for some reason wants that search warrant null and void the way it appears. Were other things found under that same search warrant that would be thrown out if it was if it was found an illegal search? Is that what she is trying to accomplish?

 

[Loomis124]

Looks like we can add another court date next week, but this one won't be live. RN's son, CN - Indicted May 1 on two charges, with co-defendants. Scioto county common pleas court.

https://sciotocountycpcourt.org/eservices/search.page.3?x=mH8Kexb-rAW*72RGjjYVKQ

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm going to guess FW either had cataract surgery recently, or perhaps had her eyes dialated at a routine checkup that day. She is not a spring chicken. She still sucks, but I don't read anything extra into the glasses!

She wasn't wearing them at first. She put them on while she was sitting in the gallery. If she had a medical reason to wear them she would have been wearing them the whole time.

Why would you put on dark sunglasses while sitting in the court gallery? You do it if your playing to the cameras. Same with chomping on gum. Play to the camera.

Then she will look at the video to see how her "performance" panned out, I wouldn't be surprised if she asks her attorneys for their critiques .

 

[Loomis124]

She wasn't wearing them at first. She put them on while she was sitting in the gallery. If she had a medical reason to wear them she would have been wearing them the whole time.

Why would you put on dark sunglasses while sitting in the court gallery? You do it if your playing to the cameras. Same with chomping on gum. Play to the camera.

Then she will look at the video to see how her "performance" panned out, I wouldn't be surprised if she asks her attorneys for their critiques .

Chomping! I love it!!!

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Betty once again you have provided an insightful view. If she has the receipts for the vests and they were bought after the murders why worry about the search warrants or try to get them thrown out. As AC says there is more to the charges against Fred than we on here know.

Now on to another question. Why wear sunglasses inside a dimly lit courtroom? Does she think she is the Duchess of Sussex? Or the First Lady? Did she expect paparazzi? lol

This is truly JMO and honestly, I believe the sunglasses made FW look downright ridiculous, but I think she wore them because she cannot stand the cameras on her while she’s waiting in the gallery. Her glasses tactic had the opposite effect she was hoping for. FW stuck out like a sore thumb, more so than usual. But maybe she felt more comfortable. I personally feel more secure with sunglasses on (weird, I know). And I’m not defending her by any means. Believe me, I think she is the devil in disguise with the soul to match. JMO.

 

[Howcanppldosuch]

Fred may have a lot of "brass", but the prosecutor has the goods on her. Fred is slick, good at the PR thing, putting on a show and trying to fool the public, but I don't think it will work. They wouldn't have filed charges if they didn't think they could back them up in court. She's been scamming the public for decades in her business dealings, she's just doing the same thing with this case.

Reading the board, and watching the news, is my only source of info. I have no idea what public opinion is in pike co, but I really don’t see he being found guilty by a jury biased on the Amazon vs ebay answer. Finding the dates on the vests to be after the murder is another big issue to me. All from outside looking in. Moo please don’t throw rocks at me, just saying to those that doesn’t have a preconceived notion about her or her businesses the case looks like it was mainly a pressure tactic on the other defendants

 

[Fletcher73]

FLETCHER, think I found what you are referring to. Go back to Thread #8, page 2, post 27. A great post by Tiff23r.

Men Indicted for Providing Falsely-Labeled Body Armor

Docket for Tacprogear, LLC v. Rebekah Holding, LLC, 2:18-cv-00389 - CourtListener.com

PO Box 157 Oak hill OH

Tiff shared the info "as a possible connection to BVPs and to demonstrate labels can be falsified.'

'Connection is via a family member sharing a PO Box with an individual involved in a case owing Tactical ProGear over $500k. The Bankruptcy case was moved from TX to the Southern District of OH a few months before arrests.

Yes, Loomis, Well Done! ColMustard.
IIRC, a tactical shop is located in an area NE of Mt Etna Road, where the church and group home are - It first caught my eye because it mentioned "prepper supplies."

 

[Betty P]

Yes, Loomis, Well Done! ColMustard.
IIRC, a tactical shop is located in an area NE of Mt Etna Road, where the church and group home are - It first caught my eye because it mentioned "prepper supplies."

I remember the "prepper" business on google maps near Mt Etna Rd. It's called Survival Foods.

Google Maps

I've been looking at that business for the last 2 years, trying to figure out if it might be connected in some way. Perhaps not.