OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#49

[Cool Cats]

I think you are correct. If they knew BR was awake he would have been victim #9. Furthermore Angie probably would have been the one to put the bullet in his head.

Half the people in here have Angie home babysitting and the other half have her moving babies around and entertaining BR while his family is slaughtered.

I have tried my best to drag them into the 21st century where women are capable of doing anything a man can do and can be just as or more ruthless than a man. I hope this kind of archaic outdated chauvinistic thinking is not prevalent among the jury. If so Angie will walk.

JMO

I want you to know that yes women can, as you say, be ruthless like men. But do men always understand that?

No.

The Wagner men were all macho! I understand you can't take my word for it but from the things I've learned through my in-laws doing derbies ( W Virginia..... S. Ohio my husband's side) I'm pretty sure the Wagner men would be the type to not want a woman at the crime scenes to see the murders up close and personal.
.....Only My 2 Cents.....

But, my in-laws do not know the Wagners personally, so I might be wrong of course! Maybe G3 and G4 and Jake had no problem with their wife and mother being there at the crime scenes shooting it up? I don't know. 50/50 some say yes, some say no!
.....Only My 2 Cents.....

 

[Puzzles8]

BBM: "My opinion, is that they were onto them earlier than we might think."

Yes, agree. October 2016. No more Cartel, Sheriff Reader said it was locals. That would have spooked the Wagners. Note, that they sold their home in March 2017. I wonder if the "local" comment was one reason?

They were counting on manipulating LE into thinking it was drug/ Cartel related. Thus, the dollar bills thrown on Kenny, high number of victims, and execution style shooting.
Putting money on a body symbolizes that you were greedy and stole from them, them being an organized group of criminals.

For LE to only take 4 months to see through the Wagner's ruse must have been devastating to them. They probably panicked and thought about getting away, then they did go away, in my opinion to get away from being tracked and having to give interviews in person.

Jake said "it" followed them there. He said rumors, but I bet he was thinking BCI and BCI Agent S.
.......2 Cents.........

Both the W4 and JM were local..

 

[OhioBlues]

I want you to know that yes women can, as you say, be ruthless like men. But do men always understand that?

No.

The Wagner men were all macho! I understand you can't take my word for it but from the things I've learned through my in-laws doing derbies ( W Virginia..... S. Ohio my husband's side) I'm pretty sure the Wagner men would be the type to not want a woman at the crime scenes to see the murders up close and personal.
.....Only My 2 Cents.....

But, my in-laws do not know the Wagners personally, so I might be wrong of course! Maybe G3 and G4 and Jake had no problem with their wife and mother being there at the crime scenes shooting it up? I don't know. 50/50 some say yes, some say no!
.....Only My 2 Cents.....

AW owned a farm and she posted a photo of her sons with dyed black hair on April 30th. How could she not have known and/or participated in the murders? That is her farm and someone took the Jake and George photo with dyed black hair and posted it. It appears to me as tho she posted that photo but it is JMO.

Personally, if people were pressing me to participate in killing 8 people then I would make certain each person (including my mom) killed someone.

It seems as tho that would be your only chance of no one talking to the cops.

These are warped people/relationships that I can't even begin to understand.

My guess is that AW gave as good as she got.

All JMO.

 

[Puzzles8]

AW owned a farm and she posted a photo of her sons with dyed black hair on April 30th. How could she not have known and/or participated in the murders? That is her farm and someone took the Jake and George photo with dyed black hair and posted it. It appears to me as tho she posted that photo but it is JMO.

Personally, if people were pressing me to participate in killing 8 people then I would make certain each person (including my mom) killed someone.

It seems as tho that would be your only chance of no one talking to the cops.

These are warped people/relationships that I can't even begin to understand.

My guess is that AW gave as good as she got.

All JMO.

Unless they sequestered themselves at their farm, people must have been asking the W4- what in the world did the boys do to their hair? I can't even imagine how they answered that.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I want you to know that yes women can, as you say, be ruthless like men. But do men always understand that?

No.

The Wagner men were all macho! I understand you can't take my word for it but from the things I've learned through my in-laws doing derbies ( W Virginia..... S. Ohio my husband's side) I'm pretty sure the Wagner men would be the type to not want a woman at the crime scenes to see the murders up close and personal.
.....Only My 2 Cents.....

But, my in-laws do not know the Wagners personally, so I might be wrong of course! Maybe G3 and G4 and Jake had no problem with their wife and mother being there at the crime scenes shooting it up? I don't know. 50/50 some say yes, some say no!
.....Only My 2 Cents.....

BBM

The Wagner men were all macho!

Please, those big macho Wagner men do not exist. The Wagner men are cowards. They sneaked into homes in the middle of the night and killed 8 people in their sleep. If they were the big macho men you describe they would have stood up and fought like men. Instead they sneaked into homes in the night and killed helpless women in their sleep and hunted down a scared child and shot him while he was hiding. So why in the world would you think they would have "protected" the little woman at home? What in the world makes you think she needed "protected"? She was probably the most macho among them.

JMO

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

BBM

The Wagner men were all macho!

Please, those big macho Wagner men do not exist. The Wagner men are cowards. They sneaked into homes in the middle of the night and killed 8 people in their sleep. If they were the big macho men you describe they would have stood up and fought like men. Instead they sneaked into homes in the night and killed helpless women in their sleep and hunted down a scared child and shot him while he was hiding. So why in the world would you think they would have "protected" the little woman at home? What in the world makes you think she needed "protected"? She was probably the most macho among them.

JMO

Truly believe that custody was a prime reason for the massacre, but custody along with the benefits can
have many difference meanings.

Physical custody of the children not only allowed for raising the children as the Wagners wanted and saw fit,
but also the future government entitlements that they would receive, while not paying any child support.

AW grew up knowing the ins and outs of receiving welfare and how to receive the maximum amount monthly.
AW also sold items and animals for cash and knew how to report this this amounts received as gross v. net.

<modsnip: discussing other members, personalizing>

JMO, AW was ensuring her future. Again, this is just my opinion.

 

[Yellowbeak]

BBM

The Wagner men were all macho!

Please, those big macho Wagner men do not exist. The Wagner men are cowards. They sneaked into homes in the middle of the night and killed 8 people in their sleep. If they were the big macho men you describe they would have stood up and fought like men. Instead they sneaked into homes in the night and killed helpless women in their sleep and hunted down a scared child and shot him while he was hiding. So why in the world would you think they would have "protected" the little woman at home? What in the world makes you think she needed "protected"? She was probably the most macho among them.

JMO

I have read that twice about CRjr hiding and being shot. But I haven’t seen that anywhere formally. I have just seen reports about CRSR being awake and having a confrontation. Am I missing something? How horrific if he knew what was happening.

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

I have read that twice about CRjr hiding and being shot. But I haven’t seen that anywhere formally. I have just seen reports about CRSR being awake and having a confrontation. Am I missing something? How horrific if he knew what was happening.

In the early reports, CR2 was missing. LM insisted he was in his bedroom at his
mother's house. After several searches, he was found between the wall and
his bed.

 

[rsd1200]

MMO
I think the bills on KR were a red herring to try to mislead LE into thinking these murders were only about drugs.

I can't say for sure why the quarters were used in the movie. I do know that shortly after death, a corpse's eyes will start to open, sometimes quarters will be placed on them to keep them shut.
There are also spiritual reasons quarters are placed over the eyes.
Coins on the Eyes of the Dead | TheBody

In the Saints movie(s), the coins are placed to pay the toll to cross the river Styx. The Boondock Saints is a vigilante movie. They may have been trying to make it look as if the murders were committed by someone intent upon cleaning up the town.

 

[buttonbaby]

In the early reports, CR2 was missing. LM insisted he was in his bedroom at his
mother's house. After several searches, he was found between the wall and
his bed.

Thank you Fresca.... that's exactly what I remember hearing too... JMO. MOO.

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

Thank you Fresca.... that's exactly what I remember hearing too... JMO. MOO.

You are welcome

 

[Yellowbeak]

In the early reports, CR2 was missing. LM insisted he was in his bedroom at his
mother's house. After several searches, he was found between the wall and
his bed.

Thank you! I missed that. Goodness, how sad. But then, wouldn’t that mean he was awake and aware of what was going on. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM

The Wagner men were all macho!

Please, those big macho Wagner men do not exist. The Wagner men are cowards. They sneaked into homes in the middle of the night and killed 8 people in their sleep. If they were the big macho men you describe they would have stood up and fought like men. Instead they sneaked into homes in the night and killed helpless women in their sleep and hunted down a scared child and shot him while he was hiding. So why in the world would you think they would have "protected" the little woman at home? What in the world makes you think she needed "protected"? She was probably the most macho among them.

JMO

Right. I was lumping them in with the others. The others were macho. They would protect women, not have women kill for them. They do it themselves. The Wagner's really are cowards and odd balls and are in another class all their own. So yah. I didn't explain it right.
I'm starting to get what you mean.

 

[buttonbaby]

Thank you! I missed that. Goodness, how sad. But then, wouldn’t that mean he was awake and aware of what was going on. JMO

BBM... if so, and it sounds like it is based upon where he was found, how absolutely terrifying.... OMG.

 

[Cool Cats]

AW owned a farm and she posted a photo of her sons with dyed black hair on April 30th. How could she not have known and/or participated in the murders? That is her farm and someone took the Jake and George photo with dyed black hair and posted it. It appears to me as tho she posted that photo but it is JMO.

Personally, if people were pressing me to participate in killing 8 people then I would make certain each person (including my mom) killed someone.

It seems as tho that would be your only chance of no one talking to the cops.

These are warped people/relationships that I can't even begin to understand.

My guess is that AW gave as good as she got.

All JMO.

Yah. I have been thinking of them like the others are. Comparing them to the normal people in the area. The ones my in-laws talk about. But the Wagner's are not like them. I get that now. The Wagner's don't fit in.

The Wagner's could have a woman kill with them. That is not how they are in that area. Not anyone else who is normal like the victim's families.

 

[Cool Cats]

Thank you! I missed that. Goodness, how sad. But then, wouldn’t that mean he was awake and aware of what was going on. JMO

Actually it was never stated that he was between the wall and his bed. We don't know where he was found. It could be some where else. He liked to stay up late playing video games and it's thought that he heard commotion and tried to hide and that the killers found him and looked down at him and shot him twice in the top of his head. Then 2 more shots after he fell.

Rhoden massacre: Autopsy reveals gruesome details in slayings of 8 family members
"Christopher Rhoden Jr. was also shot four times, the report states, including twice through the top of the head".

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I have read that twice about CRjr hiding and being shot. But I haven’t seen that anywhere formally. I have just seen reports about CRSR being awake and having a confrontation. Am I missing something? How horrific if he knew what was happening.

Lenny said they found him between the bed and the wall. I can only assume he heard what was going on and hid there in hopes of being unnoticed and survive.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

Re CR2's wounds:

I think all that's been reported, in MSM, is the preliminary autopsy stating one of the gunshots he received was through the top of his head. I also vaguely recall an interview with LM about telling police to go back into the trailer to keep searching for his grandson.

DeWine, et al are still reluctant to make public many details of the crime scenes. So far, aside from what BJM and DS reported, we only have the preliminary A/Rs. Hopefully we'll learn more in the next several months, though I'm not holding my breath.

If I were to speculate about the details in CR2's preliminary A/R, I would say it sure sounds like he was shot while in a kneeling position on the floor. JMO only.

 

[rsd1200]

I want you to know that yes women can, as you say, be ruthless like men. But do men always understand that?

No.

The Wagner men were all macho! I understand you can't take my word for it but from the things I've learned through my in-laws doing derbies ( W Virginia..... S. Ohio my husband's side) I'm pretty sure the Wagner men would be the type to not want a woman at the crime scenes to see the murders up close and personal.
.....Only My 2 Cents.....

But, my in-laws do not know the Wagners personally, so I might be wrong of course! Maybe G3 and G4 and Jake had no problem with their wife and mother being there at the crime scenes shooting it up? I don't know. 50/50 some say yes, some say no!
.....Only My 2 Cents.....

BUBM
Maybe the wife/mother had no problem being there. I do not know the W4's family dynamics. In my home, no man TELLS me to do anything (and a female to do so would be laughable). It may be different in the W4s home though. I've known women who were submissive enough to not ask questions and would believe anything their spouse told them. Anything. Blindly. Sad.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Yes I know you are in Oklahoma. And yes, it applies to all over. Thankx.

I'm not there now, but am from West Virginia. My husband's family are like the Rhodens/Manleys through and through. They know them very well from all the derbies.
And yes, I was equating what they tell me about them, into thinking the Wagner's are like them too.

But no, I am now realizing and understanding that the Wagner's are not like any of them at all. I am understanding that we have to take the Wagner's out of the equation when looking at the people in that area.

So yes, I get what you are saying! Thankx......

.......Been a process for me...... And All Only My 2 Cents..........Thankx everyone!!

But no, I am now realizing and understanding that the Wagner's are not like any of them at all.

The Wagners are not like anyone any of us have ever known. The Wagner 4 are all in a place of their own that no one else inhabits. That is because the Wagner's are monsters.

And none of us have ever seen the monster in the dark who sneaks into your home and slaughters your whole family. But little Brently did. Little Chris did. So did Big Chris and who knows how many others were awake?

To compare the Wagner 4 monsters to the good people of your husband's family and the good people of Appalachia is completely unfair. The Wagner's are nothing like those hard working, honest people who try their best to live life the right way.

And trying to put the Wagner 4 in a category that we can all understand is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole. They just don't fit in anywhere.

JMO