OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#49

[Deleted member 237253]

I think Angie does not have Wagner support like before.

I'd bet on AW never having W support outside of BW and sons.

 

[Cool Cats]

My thinking on why AG is still wearing prison garb is that she can cover up the shock vest easier. The vest looks bulky and sticks up in the back which is not easy to cover in women's street clothes. The prison garb is lose and works very well covering the vest. JMO

Yes. She only started wearing the shock vest at the same time she started wearing the B/W stripes. So I think what you say makes the most sense, that she wears the B/W stripes because they cover up the shock vest better.

Too much of a coincidence that she ONLY wears the B/W stripes when she is wearing the shock vest.

 

[Cool Cats]

Not to sound stupid but what does bbm mean?

Ha! I asked the same thing!

It means Bolden By Me. When you highlight in black something another poster says.

Go to far left and click on the B icon.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

My thinking on why AG is still wearing prison garb is that she can cover up the shock vest easier. The vest looks bulky and sticks up in the back which is not easy to cover in women's street clothes. The prison garb is lose and works very well covering the vest. JMO

Is that the same reason AW is wearing jail pants and jail shoes?

 

[Cool Cats]

Is that the same reason AW is wearing jail pants and jail shoes?

We were talking about AW. AG is a typo I'm sure.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

We were talking about AW. AG is a typo I'm sure.

AW was caught trying to pass notes in clothing that’s why she is in jail clothing, judge Deering probably revolved her right to street clothes after she was caught, JMO

 

[OhioBlues]

AW was caught trying to pass notes in clothing that’s why she is in jail clothing, judge Deering probably revolved her right to street clothes after she was caught, JMO

Do you know that for a fact? I'm not trying to be difficult but there seem like other possibilities.

It is JMO, but the reason that she asked for street clothes was to not prejudice the jury. The state is going to pay millions for her trial. Why would the Judge risk that type of penalty on her? It seems like a guilty verdict could be overturned on appeal easily enough. moo.

Edit: Turned over to overturned.

 

[Cool Cats]

AW was caught trying to pass notes in clothing that’s why she is in jail clothing, judge Deering probably revolved her right to street clothes after she was caught, JMO

That was only speculation on here. I'm sure it's not true. The Judge hasn't even ruled on her 49 Motions yet which include the Motion for street clothes. When you see her in street clothes it will be because the Judge gave his ruling on it.

Her lawyers want her in street clothes and want her to have a fair trial and the jail cannot decide this in any way. Not up to the jail. Just like it's not up to the court to decide if GW4 can go to solitary. The jail cannot interfere in her getting a fair trial. This is a very serious case. In the same way the court cannot interfere in whether or not someone goes to solitary.

They are 2 separate entities: jail/court. Opinion, but I'm familiar with the system.(In my State)

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I posted the sig

Do you know that for a fact? I'm not trying to be difficult but there seem like other possibilities.

It is JMO, but the reason that she asked for street clothes was to not prejudice the jury. The state is going to pay millions for her trial. Why would the Judge risk that type of penalty on her? It seems like a guilty verdict could be turned over on appeal easily enough. moo.

I posted the sight on here 2 days ago to the same question.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Do you know that for a fact? I'm not trying to be difficult but there seem like other possibilities.

It is JMO, but the reason that she asked for street clothes was to not prejudice the jury. The state is going to pay millions for her trial. Why would the Judge risk that type of penalty on her? It seems like a guilty verdict could be turned over on appeal easily enough. moo.

AW was caught trying to pass notes to her family, if you have been fellow the courts, you would have saw the first time GW4 had got to wear street clothing his attorney made a point to say the clothing was searched before he got them for any kind of writing.

 

[Cool Cats]

AW was caught trying to pass notes to her family, if you have been fellow the courts, you would have saw the first time GW4 had got to wear street clothing his attorney made a point to say the clothing was searched before he got them for any kind of writing.

The clothes are always searched. Always. Everytime. She was not passing notes through clothes. Rumor only. She will wear street clothes soon as judge rules on that Motion. The jail has no say in what she wears to court. This is up to the judge only. If the judge rules that she can wear street clothes for the pre trial hearings then that is what she will wear, the jail has no say. You will not find any proof to support this rumor. I keep saying this because I am disappointed that this rumor is taken as fact, the rumor that she wears jail garb because she was caught passing notes through her clothing.

When the Judge rules on clothing that can be worn no one can countermand that. Not the jail, not the prosecution, not even the defense attorneys. This is why we have Motions for the Judge to rule on. It's the law.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

The clothes are always searched. Always. Everytime. She was not passing notes through clothes. Rumor only. She will wear street clothes soon as judge rules on that Motion. The jail has no say in what she wears to court. This is up to the judge only. If the judge rules that she can wear street clothes for the pre trial hearings then that is what she will wear, the jail has no say. You will not find any proof to support this rumor. I keep saying this because I am disappointed that this rumor is taken as fact, the rumor that she wears jail garb because she was caught passing notes through her clothing.

When the Judge rules on clothing that can be worn no one can countermand that. Not the jail, not the prosecution, not even the defense attorneys. This is why we have Motions for the Judge to rule on. It's the law.

WAVERLY, Ohio — A Pike County judge ordered one of the suspects charged with killing eight people in the Pike County massacre to have no contact with her co-defendants.

During a brief pretrial hearing Monday, Judge Randy Deering ordered that Angela Wagner have no contact, direct or indirect, with her co-defendants. That means she won't be able to communicate with her husband, two adult sons, mother or mother-in-law.

Wagner, her husband and their two sons are charged with conspiring to kill eight members of the Rhoden family and carrying out the plan on April 22, 2016 in rural Pike County.

Defense attorney Robert Krapenc said he had already told Wagner not to communicate with any of the other suspects.

Angela Wagner pleaded not guilty to the 22 charges during a hearing in late November. Deering ordered that she be held without bond

PIKE COUNTY, OH (FOX19) - The eldest of the Wagner sons made his second appearance in court Wednesday afternoon.

George Wagner IV, 27, not to be confused with his namesake father George “Billy” Wagner III, appeared in a Pike County courtroom for his first pretrial hearing.

The hearing was brief and discussed the same motions and filings as Monday’s pretrial hearing for Wagner’s mother Angela:

• The defense is still waiting for a Bill of Particulars and they’re OK with the time it’s taking to get it
• They’d like more time to file motions relating to the case
• Wagner is not to have any contact with his family who are his co-defendants

Wagner appeared in court wearing jeans, a black button-up dress shirt, black vest and red and black tie. His appearance in plain clothes was noted by both his defense attorneys Charles Knight and Richard Nash, Jr., and prosecuting attorneys Rob Junk and Angela Canepa.


All attorneys wanted the change in clothing noted and said police inspected the outfit before court began.

Wagner’s next court appearance is scheduled for March 22 at 1:30 p.m.

He stayed mostly silent during Wednesday’s hearing, only speaking when give a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to the judge. He also gave no indication of emotion as he listened to the day’s proceedings.


Wagner also showed little emotion throughout his initial court appearance where he pleaded not guilty Nov. 28 to killing eight members of the Rhoden family in April 2016.


He faces 22 charges including eight charges of capital murder.

READ MORE: Wagner brother pleads not guilty for role in Rhoden family massacre



Wagner brother pleads not guilty for role in Rhoden family massacre
Wagner’s mother Angela Wagner was in court Monday afternoon for her first pretrial hearing. She was ordered to have no contact with her family members.

READ MORE: Mother charged in Rhoden family murders to have no contact with family members


George Wagner IV, his mother Angela, 48, his father Billy, 47, and his brother Edward “Jake," 26, are all charged with the brutal murders of the Rhoden family.

 

[OhioBlues]

WAVERLY, Ohio — A Pike County judge ordered one of the suspects charged with killing eight people in the Pike County massacre to have no contact with her co-defendants.

During a brief pretrial hearing Monday, Judge Randy Deering ordered that Angela Wagner have no contact, direct or indirect, with her co-defendants. That means she won't be able to communicate with her husband, two adult sons, mother or mother-in-law.

Wagner, her husband and their two sons are charged with conspiring to kill eight members of the Rhoden family and carrying out the plan on April 22, 2016 in rural Pike County.

Defense attorney Robert Krapenc said he had already told Wagner not to communicate with any of the other suspects.

Angela Wagner pleaded not guilty to the 22 charges during a hearing in late November. Deering ordered that she be held without bond

PIKE COUNTY, OH (FOX19) - The eldest of the Wagner sons made his second appearance in court Wednesday afternoon.

George Wagner IV, 27, not to be confused with his namesake father George “Billy” Wagner III, appeared in a Pike County courtroom for his first pretrial hearing.

The hearing was brief and discussed the same motions and filings as Monday’s pretrial hearing for Wagner’s mother Angela:

• The defense is still waiting for a Bill of Particulars and they’re OK with the time it’s taking to get it
• They’d like more time to file motions relating to the case
• Wagner is not to have any contact with his family who are his co-defendants

Wagner appeared in court wearing jeans, a black button-up dress shirt, black vest and red and black tie. His appearance in plain clothes was noted by both his defense attorneys Charles Knight and Richard Nash, Jr., and prosecuting attorneys Rob Junk and Angela Canepa.


All attorneys wanted the change in clothing noted and said police inspected the outfit before court began.

Wagner’s next court appearance is scheduled for March 22 at 1:30 p.m.

He stayed mostly silent during Wednesday’s hearing, only speaking when give a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to the judge. He also gave no indication of emotion as he listened to the day’s proceedings.


Wagner also showed little emotion throughout his initial court appearance where he pleaded not guilty Nov. 28 to killing eight members of the Rhoden family in April 2016.


He faces 22 charges including eight charges of capital murder.

READ MORE: Wagner brother pleads not guilty for role in Rhoden family massacre



Wagner brother pleads not guilty for role in Rhoden family massacre
Wagner’s mother Angela Wagner was in court Monday afternoon for her first pretrial hearing. She was ordered to have no contact with her family members.

READ MORE: Mother charged in Rhoden family murders to have no contact with family members


George Wagner IV, his mother Angela, 48, his father Billy, 47, and his brother Edward “Jake," 26, are all charged with the brutal murders of the Rhoden family.

Where does it say that she wrote on her clothes and has to wear jail clothes to court?

That is what you have been saying isn't it?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Where does it say that she wrote on her clothes and has to wear jail clothes to court?

That is what you have been saying isn't it?

It didn’t, you jump to conclusions, at the end of my post was JMO, and I do believe that is the reason she doesn’t get to wear street clothing while the other 3 Wagners get to!

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Accused murderer Angela Wagner was back in a Pike County courtroom Monday for a brief pretrial hearing.

Toward the end of the hearing, special prosecutor Angie Canepa asked Pike County Judge Randy Deering to forbid Wagner from communicating with her three co-defendants, who are her husband and their two sons.


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"Either directly or indirectly," Canepa said. "In other words, either directly herself, by writing or through phone calls, or by third parties."

The request made some courtroom observers wonder if Wagner has been communicating with 47-year-old Billy Wagner, 27-year-old George Wagner and 26-year-old Jake Wagner.

It came after attorneys on both sides had agreed on time-sensitive issues, including when Wagner's attorneys and prosecutors will argue for and against 49 motions Wagner filed last month.

Defense attorney Robert Krapenc did not object to the request for no contact.

"There's no objection," Krapenc said. "We have instructed our client from day one to have no contact directly or indirectly with any co-defendants."

With that, Deering ordered that the motion take effect immediately.

"The defendant will be ordered to have no contact, directly or indirectly with Fredericka Carol Wagner, Rita Jo Newcomb, George Washington Wagner III, George Washington Wagner IV or Edward Jacob Wagner," Deering said.


This is why Angela Wagner is still not allowed to wear street clothing, JMO

Judge orders accused Pike County killer Angela Wagner not to contact co-defendants

This was my first post on AW jail clothes.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Does any of you fellow sleuthers have an ideal of why Angela Wagner is not wearing street clothing, I would think if she was wearing the jail garb for pity AC would have made a comment on record about AW being a loud to wear street clothing, again this is Just My Opinion

 

[Tiff23fr]

AW was caught trying to pass notes to her family, if you have been fellow the courts, you would have saw the first time GW4 had got to wear street clothing his attorney made a point to say the clothing was searched before he got them for any kind of writing.

I recall the point about clothes being searched but never could find anything in msm to support her or someone passing communications via clothes. So, I feel it's possible, but I don't know it was ever anything confirmed.

 

[Betty P]

Does any of you fellow sleuthers have an ideal of why Angela Wagner is not wearing street clothing, I would think if she was wearing the jail garb for pity AC would have made a comment on record about AW being a loud to wear street clothing, again this is Just My Opinion

I haven't seen any mention of it in court, court docs or the news media. I suppose it's a mystery for now.

 

[Cool Cats]

Motion Hearing set for Angela Wagner - Portsmouth Daily Times (detailed article)

Excerpts from article:

Is October the month the public may begin to see some of the evidence and hear from some of the witnesses in the ongoing trials related to the 2016 Rhoden family massacre?

Deering stated the October hearing could involve evidentiary issues and even the calling of witnesses. This could represent the media and the public’s first real glimpse into what is apparently mounds and mounds of evidence compiled by the prosecution in the cases against the various members of the Wagner family.

Discovery, and the huge amounts of it, also were a topic of discussion during Angela Wagner’s brief pretrial Wednesday. Deering said it was his understanding some four terabytes of information still need to be delivered by the prosecution to Wagner’s defense team.

As previously noted by the Daily Times, one terabyte of information is enough to hold 500 hours worth of movies.

My remark:
500 x 4 = 2,000 hours worth of evidence the defense still has to receive!
If there is no direct link from the crime scenes to the Wagners then my guess is the prosecution intends to drown the defendants in circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial evidence is enough to convict a defendant on.

 

[Cool Cats]

Jmo if you look at her pics going into the courthouse and inside the courthouse her hair appears to be better kept and glasses on top of head. She looks better walking in than inside. (Unless the pics are from different days, but they don’t appear to be) This is one way to separate the four of them from each other in the public’s eyes. Jmo

You are right that this is the pic of her walking into court on July 3rd:
Use 2 fingers to enlarge photo .... Click on photo or link to go to article.


Pike Co. judge sets evidence deadline in case against Wagner mother
By Sarah Hager | July 3, 2019 at 11:55 AM EDT - Updated July 3 at 4:51 PM