OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #16

[Tillicum]

Yeah, it does. Serial killers normally don't know their victims. Mass murderers usually do. The psychology is completely different. I'm questioning the whole psychology of the two because of the women missing nearby. I'm not convinced we can draw lines between 6 missing women and the Rhodens. JMO.

I haven't really jumped on the JJ theory but there is something that's been nagging at me. When I was doing some digging around in regards to the missing women I came across two different articles where a man dressed as a police officer tried to abduct a woman in Chillicothe and another one in Circleville. Circleville is north of Piketon on 23. Chillicothe is between Piketon and Circleville. If anyone wants to do some digging, maybe we could see if it could fit into any of the theories. I don't have time to try to find them now but I think I posted some snips and links on one of the missing women's threads.

 

[Lindadanette]

Good morning. This will be my first time posting althou I've read and have been with you from the beginning . I would like to thank all who have shared their thoughts , ideas , and theory's - especially those with addictions , I myself have 25 years clean, ( by the grace of God ) it's amazing how everyone around you gets better when you put the drugs down. I'm a bit of a loner by choice I don't like any social media i.e. Fb or anything similar. For me to be joining a forum like this is completly out of the norm for me.
my heart goes out to the the victims of the family - I personally like them with all their faults and indiscretions I think they were good people at there core. Survival was the name of the game for these people as I see it.
the reason I came here was gather more info. For myself as I would normally label this type of murder one thing or another- but this case was totally different from anything I've ever heard of or seen - which leads me to my theory - what struck me about this case is the total confidence , stealth, and complete composure to pull something like this off in the time span HE did.............this totally boggled my mind. I've always thought this was a single person , and for that to be he would have to be close to super human IMO ..... This person has already been named and as far as I'm concerned its solved....... But I would like to add that I've seen people who were on steroids before and have achieved huge amounts of confidence endurance and unstoppable power. I've seen this first hand and was quite amazed at the transformation in these people - but there's tell tale signs as to there use of the drug just by visuals - I've seen this in this person from a video........of coarse he would have had some personality defect to boot but to me it exsplains everything .....IMO

if if you think about it the person would have to be rather large in size alone ( he would not be intimidated ) by confronting several men , I'm a avid hunter and drag deer from the woods- I'm in very good shape and you would think this would be a easy task ( it is not ! ) this person had a lot on his plate that night but still had the time to drag atleast 2 people around to different rooms and accomplish taking cameras etc..........giving this task to a normal healthy male he would fail ! Or would have atleast made mistakes - this person made none. Quit spectacular in my opinion, not your normal run of the mill serial killer. I have no doubt he has done this before and enjoys it. He is very good at what he does. But being very good will be his down fall because it could only be one person and I believe all fingers point to him.

Oh my gosh, Sojourn, steroids! That's what make me think at first he was "chubby" but then see the strength when his full body was in view. That's where the moon face comes from. What you say has made me even more convinced myself. I looked up the Special Forces aspect and found an unrelated article that does verify black tactical gear and a mask as a part of the uniform components. I can't imagine that LE doesn't know this. IMHO, they are building a case that protects themselves in the trial.

 

[MaryMac250]

Wow! That definitely puts a spin on it that I hadn't considered... thanks!

yes it does. I hope this JJ thing stays visible on here. If he turns out to be involved, nothing could look worse than his being largely coddled by LE and the local police union. This would also not look too great on the resume of an aspiring governor. IMO, there has been no better reason for the slow progress and distraction on this case than some type of JJ involvement.

 

[MaryMac250]

I haven't really jumped on the JJ theory but there is something that's been nagging at me. When I was doing some digging around in regards to the missing women I came across two different articles where a man dressed as a police officer tried to abduct a woman in Chillicothe and another one in Circleville. Circleville is north of Piketon on 23. Chillicothe is between Piketon and Circleville. If anyone wants to do some digging, maybe we could see if it could fit into any of the theories. I don't have time to try to find them now but I think I posted some snips and links on one of the missing women's threads.

Any names to associate with the articles? Dates?

 

[MaryMac250]

Oh my gosh, Sojourn, steroids! That's what make me think at first he was "chubby" but then see the strength when his full body was in view. That's where the moon face comes from. What you say has made me even more convinced myself. I looked up the Special Forces aspect and found an unrelated article that does verify black tactical gear and a mask as a part of the uniform components. I can't imagine that LE doesn't know this. IMHO, they are building a case that protects themselves in the trial.

Right on!

 

[Tillicum]

Any names to associate with the articles? Dates?

I can't remember names but it was before the task force was formed. 2014-2015. One was basically a log of police reports and I never found any follow up on either incident

 

[NWLady]

Good morning. This will be my first time posting althou I've read and have been with you from the beginning . I would like to thank all who have shared their thoughts , ideas , and theory's - especially those with addictions , I myself have 25 years clean, ( by the grace of God ) it's amazing how everyone around you gets better when you put the drugs down. I'm a bit of a loner by choice I don't like any social media i.e. Fb or anything similar. For me to be joining a forum like this is completly out of the norm for me.
my heart goes out to the the victims of the family - I personally like them with all their faults and indiscretions I think they were good people at there core. Survival was the name of the game for these people as I see it.
the reason I came here was gather more info. For myself as I would normally label this type of murder one thing or another- but this case was totally different from anything I've ever heard of or seen - which leads me to my theory - what struck me about this case is the total confidence , stealth, and complete composure to pull something like this off in the time span HE did.............this totally boggled my mind. I've always thought this was a single person , and for that to be he would have to be close to super human IMO ..... This person has already been named and as far as I'm concerned its solved....... But I would like to add that I've seen people who were on steroids before and have achieved huge amounts of confidence endurance and unstoppable power. I've seen this first hand and was quite amazed at the transformation in these people - but there's tell tale signs as to there use of the drug just by visuals - I've seen this in this person from a video........of coarse he would have had some personality defect to boot but to me it exsplains everything .....IMO

if if you think about it the person would have to be rather large in size alone ( he would not be intimidated ) by confronting several men , I'm a avid hunter and drag deer from the woods- I'm in very good shape and you would think this would be a easy task ( it is not ! ) this person had a lot on his plate that night but still had the time to drag atleast 2 people around to different rooms and accomplish taking cameras etc..........giving this task to a normal healthy male he would fail ! Or would have atleast made mistakes - this person made none. Quit spectacular in my opinion, not your normal run of the mill serial killer. I have no doubt he has done this before and enjoys it. He is very good at what he does. But being very good will be his down fall because it could only be one person and I believe all fingers point to him.

Good post and Welcome!

Would the person you have in mind be someone who more or less placed himself at the crime scene and in the news?

 

[Ray Pate]

Can we make an effort to dismiss the J.J.problem...To me he would be the last personality on my list
of suspects...The theory of moon face and steroids is getting my attention..Why? I Am in a jurisdiction
question.. This is a major piece of evidence to me..The killer wants to use his superior like impulses
to clean up his undesirables who stands to corrupt everyone around him.So,and I say "IF". he lives
in the same jurisdiction as his victims ,,we are making progress.B.U.T., if the A.G..is in Waverly getting
all evidence together and the evidence is stored in Pikton, it looks like the fox is set there guarding
"THE HEN HOUSE",,who can prevent the fox from tampering or altering the evidence? And they know all of this...
Getting hot..

jurisdiction

 

[JusMeJim]

Yeah, it does. Serial killers normally don't know their victims. Mass murderers usually do. The psychology is completely different. I'm questioning the whole psychology of the two because of the women missing nearby. I'm not convinced we can draw lines between 6 missing women and the Rhodens. JMO.

I'm not sure I agree with your comment that "Mass murderers usually know their victims". When I think of mass murder I think of school shootings, theatre shootings, etc. In most of those cases the shooter might know a couple of the victims, but in most cases I don't think they know the victims.

 

[JusMeJim]

yes it does. I hope this JJ thing stays visible on here. If he turns out to be involved, nothing could look worse than his being largely coddled by LE and the local police union. This would also not look too great on the resume of an aspiring governor. IMO, there has been no better reason for the slow progress and distraction on this case than some type of JJ involvement.

Sheriff Reader has tried to get rid of JJ. If it was up to the sheriff he would not be on the force, and is only on the force because of the union fighting for him. If JJ was involved and it could be proven he would already be in jail. The only way he's involved and not already in jail is if LE is clueless or just cannot prove it yet.

Here is just one snippet of what Sheriff Reader has said about JJ, and then a link to the full article. It's an interesting read, and I think verifies everything said....that if there was anyway that JJ was involved in this and it could be proven, he would FOR SURE be in jail already.

"Reader believes the union is merely attempting to preserve some pay for the fallen deputy. But Reader announced, “He will never work in this department again.”

http://www3.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/cop-charged-murder-and-manslaughter-2-separate-fatal-shootings-gets-his-job-back

 

[JusMeJim]

Can we make an effort to dismiss the J.J.problem...To me he would be the last personality on my list
of suspects...The theory of moon face and steroids is getting my attention..Why? I Am in a jurisdiction
question.. This is a major piece of evidence to me..The killer wants to use his superior like impulses
to clean up his undesirables who stands to corrupt everyone around him.So,and I say "IF". he lives
in the same jurisdiction as his victims ,,we are making progress.B.U.T., if the A.G..is in Waverly getting
all evidence together and the evidence is stored in Pikton, it looks like the fox is set there guarding
"THE HEN HOUSE",,who can prevent the fox from tampering or altering the evidence? And they know all of this...
Getting hot..

jurisdiction

I may be totally mis-reading what you're trying to "get at", but from reading all of your posts, it seems more and more apparent that you are trying to say this is a very high ranking LE officer. If I'm correct in understanding what you're saying then I find this a very powerful statement coming from you, considering your own background in LE.

 

[grow73]

I'm not sure I agree with your comment that "Mass murderers usually know their victims". When I think of mass murder I think of school shootings, theatre shootings, etc. In most of those cases the shooter might know a couple of the victims, but in most cases I don't think they know the victims.

I agree. In 2011 Anders B. Breivik shot and killed almost 70 kids at a political youth camp in Norway, first detonating a deadly bomb in the center of Oslo. He did not know any of the victims, but to him they all represented the politics he hated. He was sure the world would thank him some day, as he saw himself as a saviour and a hero who sacrificed his own freedom/life for the greater good.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I agree. In 2011 Anders B. Breivik shot and killed almost 70 kids at a political youth camp in Norway, first detonating a deadly bomb in the center of Oslo. He did not know any of the victims, but to him they all represented the politics he hated. He was sure the world would thank him some day, as he saw himself as a saviour and a hero who sacrificed his own freedom/life for the greater good.

Heres a good link:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=169309

one mass murder doesn't really provide a good sample IMO

 

[CSIDreamer]

I'm not sure I agree with your comment that "Mass murderers usually know their victims". When I think of mass murder I think of school shootings, theatre shootings, etc. In most of those cases the shooter might know a couple of the victims, but in most cases I don't think they know the victims.

Sorry. I was rushing around and didn't provide a link to back up what I am asserting. Here's one for you:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=169309

 

[MaryMac250]

Can we make an effort to dismiss the J.J.problem...To me he would be the last personality on my list
of suspects...The theory of moon face and steroids is getting my attention..Why? I Am in a jurisdiction
question.. This is a major piece of evidence to me..The killer wants to use his superior like impulses
to clean up his undesirables who stands to corrupt everyone around him.So,and I say "IF". he lives
in the same jurisdiction as his victims ,,we are making progress.B.U.T., if the A.G..is in Waverly getting
all evidence together and the evidence is stored in Pikton, it looks like the fox is set there guarding
"THE HEN HOUSE",,who can prevent the fox from tampering or altering the evidence? And they know all of this...
Getting hot..

jurisdiction

you may certainly dismiss the JJ problem and, by all means don't put and/or take him off your list. For me, the rest of your post only firms my suspicions. Excepting one sentence. The possible steroid, the moon-face stuff does not distract at all from the JJ theory. Also, nice to remember, theories are not always or even usually mutually exclusive.

 

[MaryMac250]

Sheriff Reader has tried to get rid of JJ. If it was up to the sheriff he would not be on the force, and is only on the force because of the union fighting for him. If JJ was involved and it could be proven he would already be in jail. The only way he's involved and not already in jail is if LE is clueless or just cannot prove it yet.

Here is just one snippet of what Sheriff Reader has said about JJ, and then a link to the full article. It's an interesting read, and I think verifies everything said....that if there was anyway that JJ was involved in this and it could be proven, he would FOR SURE be in jail already.

"Reader believes the union is merely attempting to preserve some pay for the fallen deputy. But Reader announced, “He will never work in this department again.”

http://www3.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/cop-charged-murder-and-manslaughter-2-separate-fatal-shootings-gets-his-job-back

No. The reason JJ is not in jail is that with the assistance of the union, he was bailed out of jail for two very bad things he did and was indicted for by a grand jury. That does not eliminate him as a suspect in others crimes that LE is (apparently) still collecting an/or analyzing evidence on. I have read the article to which you refer, somewhat knowingly. Reader, and most other police chiefs/sheriffs, etc. find themselves having to capitulate to the police unions. For a detailed account, look up and read about Chief Gregg Allen of the Austin, Texas police department. He's fired officers only to have had to turn around and put them back on the force.

 

[MaryMac250]

No. The reason JJ is not in jail is that with the assistance of the union, he was bailed out of jail for two very bad things he did and was indicted for by a grand jury. That does not eliminate him as a suspect in others crimes that LE is (apparently) still collecting an/or analyzing evidence on. I have read the article to which you refer, somewhat knowingly. Reader, and most other police chiefs/sheriffs, etc. find themselves having to capitulate to the police unions. For a detailed account, look up and read about Chief Gregg Allen of the Austin, Texas police department. He's fired officers only to have had to turn around and put them back on the force.

BTW, if LE has eliminated JJ as a suspect...and on the surface, anyway, lots of things about him look suspicious,...then let them come out and say it. Mostly, they appear to pretend they never heard of him and/or his problems.

 

[JusMeJim]

BTW, if LE has eliminated JJ as a suspect...and on the surface, anyway, lots of things about him look suspicious,...then let them come out and say it. Mostly, they appear to pretend they never heard of him and/or his problems.

Just a question, and it's not meant to be "argumentative" at all. Other than when they (LE) makes a statement that a spouse (or maybe some other relative) is not a suspect in a murder investigation, I've never heard them make a statement saying so and so is not a suspect. Is this something that you've noticed being a common occurence?

 

[NWLady]

Can we make an effort to dismiss the J.J.problem...To me he would be the last personality on my list
of suspects...The theory of moon face and steroids is getting my attention..Why? I Am in a jurisdiction
question.. This is a major piece of evidence to me..The killer wants to use his superior like impulses
to clean up his undesirables who stands to corrupt everyone around him.So,and I say "IF". he lives
in the same jurisdiction as his victims ,,we are making progress.B.U.T., if the A.G..is in Waverly getting
all evidence together and the evidence is stored in Pikton, it looks like the fox is set there guarding
"THE HEN HOUSE",,who can prevent the fox from tampering or altering the evidence? And they know all of this...
Getting hot..

jurisdiction

If the "fox" is who I am thinking you are referring to, then the "fox" I think is on vacation.

 

[JusMeJim]

If the "fox" is who I am thinking you are referring to, then the "fox" I think is on vacation.

That's who I also think he is leaning towards, but it's very hard for me to believe that it would be him. I respect Mr. Pates opinion especially based on his profession, but I just can't convince myself of it being "him". Maybe someone else in the same profession, but just not him.