OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #17

[iridized]

I won't really go into it b/c I'm afraid I may break TOS but I will say that the MSM typecasts our region.

They report what they see. Just because it upsets people does not make it untrue.

 

[Bucks1]

If this happened between 1am and 6am, I am guessing that all of this happened when it was pitch black. In my military experience, m.o.u.u.t. (Military operations under urban terrain), operations are very difficult to successfully complete because of the limited vision. Even with a stick of marines with night vision goggles, this would be a difficult mission. Of course it would be successfully complete, but difficult. To invade four homes and murder an entire family without being heard and picking up shell casings while making sure to hide the evidence all in pitch black darkness is nearly impossible for any "average joe" in pike county to pull off.

 

[grow73]

KR ruins it for me too. I've thought that this was a direct take out of a bloodline. Vengeance. Take out CR1's entire family but, by the grace of God, they spare two infants and a toddler who they may not have even seen sleeping there in the beds. I thought maybe GR was just in the right place at the wrong time for some reason. But, KR messes that theory up, unless, KR was a part of it, and for some reason turned on his brother. So, KR and the other assailant team up and go house to house. Then, they get back to KR's camper and the other assailant kills KR, after he waits for them to settle in for the night, b/c the plan was for the assailant to stay there to be each other's alibi. KR gets into bed and the other assailant shoots him and then heads out. As I said before, those highways in the mountains are normally empty. No one would see the assailant most likely.

I agree with you, but why didn't they shoot KR multiple times? They would have wanted that crime scene to look like the others, right?

 

[grow73]

Possible reasons for shooting KR only once:

They wanted it to look like suicide
They ran out of ammo.
The dog attacked them, and they had to get out (they must really love dogs)
Their feelings for KR made it impossible to inflict more damage
It was an accident

Edit: One more: He was shot by someone else.
Edit2: Or it was suicide and DS/LR (or someone else) messed up the scene.

What do you guys think?

 

[evelezrn]

Possible reasons for shooting KR only once:

They wanted it to look like suicide
They ran out of ammo.
The dog attacked them, and they had to get out (they must really love dogs)
Their feelings for KR made it impossible to inflict more damage
It was an accident

Edit: One more: He was shot by someone else.
Edit2: Or it was suicide and DS/LR (or someone else) messed up the scene.

What do you guys think?

I think only one shot was all they needed to accomplish the task. He was in a small area/camper. One shot and KR was dead. Why make more noise that could draw attention.

 

[The OG]

I think only one shot was all they needed to accomplish the task. He was in a small area/camper. One shot and KR was dead. Why make more noise that could draw attention.

More specifically, he was the only victim that was alone. The killers didn't have to worry about waking anyone that could resist, as in the other crime scenes. Sure, his "sidekick" and nephew were in the area, but KR was alone in the camper.

 

[WVWoman]

If this happened between 1am and 6am, I am guessing that all of this happened when it was pitch black. In my military experience, m.o.u.u.t. (Military operations under urban terrain), operations are very difficult to successfully complete because of the limited vision. Even with a stick of marines with night vision goggles, this would be a difficult mission. Of course it would be successfully complete, but difficult. To invade four homes and murder an entire family without being heard and picking up shell casings while making sure to hide the evidence all in pitch black darkness is nearly impossible for any "average joe" in pike county to pull off.

Confused: I have heard multiply guns by 2 different casing being found ../ all shell casing picked up in shooting...can someone tell me if we know for sure which way it is?

 

[CSIDreamer]

Confused: I have heard multiply guns by 2 different casing being found ../ all shell casing picked up in shooting...can someone tell me if we know for sure which way it is?

I think Gary's dad said they found 2 types of shell casings. Bobby Jo said she didn't see any in her interview. I don't think LE has said one way or the other. Essentially, we don't know for sure, unless I've missed a link somewhere.

 

[OsoTejano]

I agree with you, but why didn't they shoot KR multiple times? They would have wanted that crime scene to look like the others, right?

Misdirection. The killer may have wanted it to look like a suicide with KR. That would have certainly limited the investigation if successful. Think about it. A lot of mass murders are murder/suicides. If The killer was successful in making KR's death look like a suicide, the murder cases would have been closed and this whole incident but an all too common tragic footnote in the news media. JMO


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[Dudly]

Possible reasons for shooting KR only once:

They wanted it to look like suicide
They ran out of ammo.
The dog attacked them, and they had to get out (they must really love dogs)
Their feelings for KR made it impossible to inflict more damage
It was an accident

Edit: One more: He was shot by someone else.
Edit2: Or it was suicide and DS/LR (or someone else) messed up the scene.

What do you guys think?

I have wondered from the beginning if KR was a suicide with the scene tampered with after the fact. Or, that it was an unrelated crime of convenience by someone who knew the rest were dead and his death would fit in...

 

[rsd1200]

They report what they see. Just because it upsets people does not make it untrue.

I think you misunderstand the flow of the conversation we were having. But, b/c of TOS, I won't go there.

 

[bluesneakers]

I won't really go into it b/c I'm afraid I may break TOS but I will say that the MSM typecasts our region.

Definitely. Popular culture also promotes inaccurate stereotypes. Watch some movies, the news, and a few tv shows and it's not surprising the stigma and judgment are still there.

 

[rsd1200]

If this happened between 1am and 6am, I am guessing that all of this happened when it was pitch black. In my military experience, m.o.u.u.t. (Military operations under urban terrain), operations are very difficult to successfully complete because of the limited vision. Even with a stick of marines with night vision goggles, this would be a difficult mission. Of course it would be successfully complete, but difficult. To invade four homes and murder an entire family without being heard and picking up shell casings while making sure to hide the evidence all in pitch black darkness is nearly impossible for any "average joe" in pike county to pull off.

Agreed. Especially, "Average joe". I have never believed that this is one.

 

[rsd1200]

I agree with you, but why didn't they shoot KR multiple times? They would have wanted that crime scene to look like the others, right?

Not necessarily. Not all of the crime scenes looked alike. GR and CR1 were unexpected and "messed up" but didn't destroy their plan, imo. However, after KR goes to sleep the assailant is not in such a big hurry. Shoots him once in the head, knows for sure he's dead, scoops up the cameras, and leaves. I think the others had an element of hate/vengeance with them. I think KR was taken out just b/c the other assailant had no use for him any longer. He didn't hate him, he just didn't care. He's a different animal.

 

[OsoTejano]

If this happened between 1am and 6am, I am guessing that all of this happened when it was pitch black. In my military experience, m.o.u.u.t. (Military operations under urban terrain), operations are very difficult to successfully complete because of the limited vision. Even with a stick of marines with night vision goggles, this would be a difficult mission. Of course it would be successfully complete, but difficult. To invade four homes and murder an entire family without being heard and picking up shell casings while making sure to hide the evidence all in pitch black darkness is nearly impossible for any "average joe" in pike county to pull off.

It definitely wasn't any "average joe" that did this. I do agree that it would not be an easy thing for anyone to pull off. The killings would have to be done quickly before anyone in the house could wake up and process what was happening. In at least in CRsr's place, he was likely able to process what was happening as it took 9 shots to kill him.

Also, it wasn't likely pitch black as there was a full moon from the south that night according to a photo lighting app that I have. Depending on the window coverings, there could have been a bit of moonlight in FR's place. CRsr's place and DR's place looked like there would have been no direct moonlight to the windows.


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[OsoTejano]

I think Gary's dad said they found 2 types of shell casings. Bobby Jo said she didn't see any in her interview. I don't think LE has said one way or the other. Essentially, we don't know for sure, unless I've missed a link somewhere.

It was brought up in this story.

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories...-continues-fundraisers-for-victims-begin.html


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[amauet1]

Here's a different idea, I used to live in Adams Co, my ex was a hunter. Turkey, deer was what he hunted. Everything was planned around hunting season's. He would grow a beard for winter, get all the gear together he planned everything down to the last detail. Weather, time of day (very early in the morning usually still dark). Gun's or bow ready, ammo, knife, etc, he prepared and planned everything. Could the murderers been hunters? It was turkey season and another hunter out there wouldn't look out of place. Just a thought.

 

[rsd1200]

It was brought up in this story.

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories...-continues-fundraisers-for-victims-begin.html


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Also, BJM said she didn't "see" any shell casings but, what everyday person, in their right mind would walk in on something like that, and think to look for shell casings? Just b/c she didn't see them didn't mean there weren't any there. jmo

 

[sumzero]

I think only one shot was all they needed to accomplish the task. He was in a small area/camper. One shot and KR was dead. Why make more noise that could draw attention.

I tend to agree, evelezrn. Two of the crime scenes were on the same property, correct? I wouldn't be surprised if more than one "team" went to each trailer simultaneously. Otherwise, they risked the people in one trailer hearing the shots in the other trailer, calling police, etc. At the same time, someone else might've been sent to KR's camper. That person could have been instructed to shoot him in the head, if possible, and make sure he was dead. The killer might've figured, after the one head shot, that KR was certainly dead. We also don't know the caliber of the bullet that killed KR. One good-sized bullet might've been more than enough to kill him -- and the killer knew it. At this point, without more information, we can only speculate.

 

[sumzero]

Also, BJM said she didn't "see" any shell casings but, what everyday person, in their right mind would walk in on something like that, and think to look for shell casings? Just b/c she didn't see them didn't mean there weren't any there. jmo

Absolutely! BJ couldn't even remember if one of her friends had even entered the trailer behind her. I doubt her mind was processing things very clearly.