OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #19

[glf]

The only statement about Kenny being shot in the eye is the statement Kendra made. LE has not disclosed any info about where each person was shot, except the statement all were shot in the head, and Chris was the only person shot elsewhere. Someone would have to be an excellent marksman to shoot a person thru a window, I think. Not very likely that was the scenario, but who knows?!
P.S. the article in which Kendra is talking, it might be important to remember it said she had moved out of state. That makes me think she feels the killers are in Ohio. It may mean nothing, she could have just wanted to get away from the memories, but it could also mean she didn't feel safe.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Something else I was just wondering about. You'd think with Kendra being the executor of her dad's estate, LE would have given her a list of everything inside that trailer. She'd need it for valuation purposes. If that particular gun was in the trailer, it would be on an inventory, if one exists. Or are they all waiting on itemized inventories for probate of the estates?

 

[amauet1]

Something else I was just wondering about. You'd think with Kendra being the executor of her dad's estate, LE would have given her a list of everything inside that trailer. She'd need it for valuation purposes. If that particular gun was in the trailer, it would be on an inventory, if one exists. Or are they all waiting on itemized inventories for probate of the estates?

I don't know about Ohio estate law, and they didn't have a will from what info that's been released. But the probate that I have experienced, took about a year to get everything straightened out. And the first thing I had to take care of was medical bills owed. I don't know if the family is responsible for that in a murder investigation, but since hearing of their self-employment (all but maybe Dana, Kenneth, and Chris Jr.?) I don't know about the girls. There doesn't seem to be insurance ( burial wasn't covered) . How much you want to bet, that the coverage of the autopsy's, and part's of the investigation's come back to the family to take care of ? Thing's will be convisciated(sp) because of illegal drugs, etc, etc, etc. The families headaches haven't even really started.(legally) They need lawyers, badly to come out of this with anything.They need help in so many ways!

Sorry Ticya! my internet site is missing up again!

 

[rsd1200]

I found it.

Kendra Rhoden wonders if the loaded gun her dad kept near his head while he slept was also taken. She also doesn’t understand why her light-sleeping father wasn’t startled awake before he was shot once in the right eye. To her, that indicates he must have known or trusted his killer.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/22/pike-county-family-clings-hope/87337798/

bbm I wonder if it is in LE custody. JMO Because she wonders doesn't make it fact. jmo idk I now wonder if I should believe the shot in the eye. Is that a fact? jmo idk

I think it's in police evidence. As could be all of the family member's firearms. I'd not be surprised that he may have been shot through the eye, especially since FR seems to have been. I wonder if any of the others were shot in the eye as well, which would be a potential message.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I think it's in police evidence. As could be all of the family member's firearms. I'd not be surprised that he may have been shot through the eye, especially since FR seems to have been. I wonder if any of the others were shot in the eye as well, which would be a potential message.

Well, we assume everything they own is in the police evidence warehouse. Just wondering if her specifying the gun is her own musing or it really is missing.

 

[glf]

I think Kendra is wondering out loud about the gun. I think she feels like the gun must have been gone or Kenny would not have been shot. I'm sure she's drawing at straws trying to rationalize this nightmare. Maybe Kenny had worked long hours the day before and was extra tired. By the time he heard the intruders, they were on top of him, so to speak, and he couldn't get to his gun.
Also, and I definitely can't speak for everybody, but my sleeping habits has chgd drastically over the years. When I was a kid, I think somebody could have dropped a straight pin in my bedroom and it would wake me up. After my kids grew out of the toddler stage, I could sleep thru about anything. If it rains cats and dogs, even if the wind picks up, I sleep like a rock. After Kenny divorced, and was living by himself, he no longer had that parental "sleep with one ear open" subconscious thought in the back of his mind. And Kendra may not realize Kenny could have been the same way.

 

[Elley Mae]

I think Kendra is wondering out loud about the gun. I think she feels like the gun must have been gone or Kenny would not have been shot. I'm sure she's drawing at straws trying to rationalize this nightmare. Maybe Kenny had worked long hours the day before and was extra tired. By the time he heard the intruders, they were on top of him, so to speak, and he couldn't get to his gun.
Also, and I definitely can't speak for everybody, but my sleeping habits has chgd drastically over the years. When I was a kid, I think somebody could have dropped a straight pin in my bedroom and it would wake me up. After my kids grew out of the toddler stage, I could sleep thru about anything. If it rains cats and dogs, even if the wind picks up, I sleep like a rock. After Kenny divorced, and was living by himself, he no longer had that parental "sleep with one ear open" subconscious thought in the back of his mind. And Kendra may not realize Kenny could have been the same way.

Absolutely true about light sleep versus heavy sleep. And by all accounts it was only CR & GR that looked like they had been beaten and not just shot like the others. IIRC

O/T back in the day, (in my mid twenties) while working third shift on an off day I was sleeping on the floor in front of TV, (helped me fall asleep) my mother was cooking in the kitchen and the smoke alarm in the hallway went off. I was told that I got up walked in the hallway, (under the alarm and with the blanket between my legs I proceeded to enter their bedroom and got in their bed and went back to sleep while the alarm was still going off. My mother said they looked at each other in disbelief and hit the alarm to stop it. It was not until I woke that I was told what I did. I had not been drinking. The rhoden men looked to be hard workers and I would imagine when they hit the bed they are out.


The first period of REM sleep of the night usually begins about 90 minutes after you start drifting off, and lasts for about 10 minutes. As the night passes, the periods of REM sleep become longer, with the final episode lasting an hour or so.


http://www.better-sleep-better-life.com/five-stages-of-sleep.html

 

[grow73]

There's really no need getting into each and everyones sleeping patterns. I think we can take it as a fact that KR was indeed a light sleeper. He was paranoid, slept with a loaded gun, and his daughter said so. There must be a reason the reporter chose to put that information in the article, KR2 probably spoke of a lot of things related to the investigation, but this kind of out of place comment about the gun made it into the article, for some reason.

 

[Elley Mae]

There's really no need getting into each and everyones sleeping patterns. I think we can take it as a fact that KR was indeed a light sleeper. He was paranoid, slept with a loaded gun, and his daughter said so. There must be a reason the reporter chose to put that information in the article, KR2 probably spoke of a lot of things related to the investigation, but this kind of out of place comment about the gun made it into the article, for some reason.

I know lots of folks that sleep with a loaded gun close, and they are not paranoid.

 

[grow73]

I know lots of folks that sleep with a loaded gun close, and they are not paranoid.

I did not imply those two were linked. It was said by a family member that KR was paranoid, that's why he put up the cameras, remember?

 

[Elley Mae]

I did not imply those two were linked. It was said by a family member that KR was paranoid, thet's why he put up the cameras, remember?

I would think at this point that either the cameras were not on or were not in use. Seems if they were there and were on we would have heard or even been shown a picture of a suspect, like in the jessica chambers and missy bevers case. I can't imagine that LE would not show what is on video footage of a suspect in the murder of 8 people. Just my opinion I don't think they have anything, seems if they did they would not have reached out to the surrounding area for footage. jmo idk

Leonard Manley, the father of Dana Rhoden, said his former son-in-law Christopher Rhoden Sr. had at least two video cameras mounted to a building near the entrance of his trailer on Union Road. When motorists arrived at this driveway, a sensor would turn lights on, he said.

“You could clearly see the cars and even the people inside," said Manley, sitting outside his home on Union Hill Road Tuesday.

He said he believed Christopher Rhoden Sr. kept the cameras on at all times, but did not know if authorities had video from those cameras. DeWine and investigators have chosen not to release details of their investigation, now nearly three weeks old.

Manley’s youngest daughter, Bobby Jo Manley, told The Enquirer that Kenneth Rhoden also had a video security system at his trailer at 799 Left Fork Road. She said she knew they were there because she had cleaned his trailer on occasion. She said she did not know if authorities had obtained any video footage from those cameras.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ors-seek-relevant-pike-county-video/84186366/

bbm

 

[grow73]

I would think at this point that either the cameras were not on or were not in use. Seems if they were there and were on we would have heard or even been shown a picture of a suspect, like in the jessica chambers and missy bevers case. I can't imagine that LE would not show what is on video footage of a suspect in the murder of 8 people. Just my opinion I don't think they have anything, seems if they did they would not have reached out to the surrounding area for footage. jmo idk

Leonard Manley, the father of Dana Rhoden, said his former son-in-law Christopher Rhoden Sr. had at least two video cameras mounted to a building near the entrance of his trailer on Union Road. When motorists arrived at this driveway, a sensor would turn lights on, he said.

“You could clearly see the cars and even the people inside," said Manley, sitting outside his home on Union Hill Road Tuesday.

He said he believed Christopher Rhoden Sr. kept the cameras on at all times, but did not know if authorities had video from those cameras. DeWine and investigators have chosen not to release details of their investigation, now nearly three weeks old.

Manley’s youngest daughter, Bobby Jo Manley, told The Enquirer that Kenneth Rhoden also had a video security system at his trailer at 799 Left Fork Road. She said she knew they were there because she had cleaned his trailer on occasion. She said she did not know if authorities had obtained any video footage from those cameras.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ors-seek-relevant-pike-county-video/84186366/

bbm

The cameras were taken at KR's place, according to DS.

 

[Dudly]

I would think at this point that either the cameras were not on or were not in use. Seems if they were there and were on we would have heard or even been shown a picture of a suspect, like in the jessica chambers and missy bevers case. I can't imagine that LE would not show what is on video footage of a suspect in the murder of 8 people. Just my opinion I don't think they have anything, seems if they did they would not have reached out to the surrounding area for footage. jmo idk



Leonard Manley, the father of Dana Rhoden, said his former son-in-law Christopher Rhoden Sr. had at least two video cameras mounted to a building near the entrance of his trailer on Union Road. When motorists arrived at this driveway, a sensor would turn lights on, he said.

“You could clearly see the cars and even the people inside," said Manley, sitting outside his home on Union Hill Road Tuesday.

He said he believed Christopher Rhoden Sr. kept the cameras on at all times, but did not know if authorities had video from those cameras. DeWine and investigators have chosen not to release details of their investigation, now nearly three weeks old.

Manley’s youngest daughter, Bobby Jo Manley, told The Enquirer that Kenneth Rhoden also had a video security system at his trailer at 799 Left Fork Road. She said she knew they were there because she had cleaned his trailer on occasion. She said she did not know if authorities had obtained any video footage from those cameras.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ors-seek-relevant-pike-county-video/84186366/

bbm

LE said the cameras were disabled or taken if I remember correctly...

 

[Elley Mae]

The cameras were taken at KR's place, according to DS.

I know, same answer applies. I would think if they were doing things that were illegal that they wouldn't have the cameras running while they were home recording what they were doing, but probably on when they were not at home. If I was doing illegal activity, (smoked pot or what not) I surely would not have the cameras rolling, or if I had people showing up to buy illegal substances from me I wouldn't want that recorded either.

 

[Elley Mae]

LE said the cameras were disabled or taken if I remember correctly...

Surviving relatives of an Ohio family who was murdered last month said Tuesday there may have been cameras at two of the locations where bodies were found.

Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said authorities received video in the killings of seven adults and a 16-year-old boy who were found on April 22 at four different locations near Piketon.

"We reached out to people initially that we thought might have video," DeWine told reporters at his Cincinnati office, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. "We were able to obtain some video."

DeWine and Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader urged anyone who recorded video nearby on April 21 or 22 to contact their offices. The request includes, but isn't limited to, any video from the night of April 21 or the morning of April 22 that shows vehicle movements in the area, DeWine said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/1...ieve-two-properties-had-security-cameras.html

Manley told the Cincinnati Enquirer he believes Christopher Rhoden Sr. kept his security cameras on all the time, but didn’t know whether police had obtained footage from the cameras.

Bobby Jo Manley, Leonard Manley’s youngest daughter, told the paper that Kenneth Rhoden had video cameras at his trailer and she said she knew they were there because she used to clean his property. She told the paper she was unsure whether police obtained footage for his cameras.

DeWine declined to comment on potential video received from the Rhoden properties.


Yes they received video, but it does not say it was from the rhoden's residences.

I also know that some people have ATD signs in their yard and don't have ADT cameras.

 

[grow73]

"Kessler received those reports last week, and The Dispatch requested Friday that he release them. He would not, saying that prosecutors from the office of Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine, which is leading the case alongside the Pike County sheriff’s office, had advised him the reports were considered an investigatory record and were not releasable."

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto..._final_autopsies_in_Pike_County_killings.html

 

[grow73]

How can releasing the autopsy results "impede the families' grieving prosess", when this is how the family feel?:

" Tony Rhoden, a brother to Kenneth and Chris Sr., said Monday that the family is anxious to see the autopsy results themselves but are fearful that officials will keep the findings from them, too. And Tony thinks that is unfair."

 

[Elley Mae]

"Kessler received those reports last week, and The Dispatch requested Friday that he release them. He would not, saying that prosecutors from the office of Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine, which is leading the case alongside the Pike County sheriff’s office, had advised him the reports were considered an investigatory record and were not releasable."

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto..._final_autopsies_in_Pike_County_killings.html

It would seem that there is more to the autopsies then we know/think. I can't imagine the toxicology results would be the hold out. jmo

 

[grow73]

It would seem that there is more to the autopsies then we know/think. I can't imagine the toxicology results would be the hold out. jmo

Several media outlets, The Dispatch, The Dayton Daily and The Enquirer (as I know of), has sued. Holding back information they are obliged to release is pissing reporters off. Hopefully the pressure will make some cracks in the wall.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news...ymie-request-for-pike-county-autopsies/nr5L5/

 

[glf]

I don't think the state can just "decide" whose information can be available for the general public and whose info will not be made available. If the state law says autopsy results are available to the general public the state is required to release them. People who live in Ohio, and especially the newspapers and reporters know what the law says, and the state doesn't have the right to. "pick and choose" whose info is to be released and whose info is going to remain private. That's just the way it is. Nobody has the authority to change the law. That can only be done thru the state Senate and H of R. And if the law is changed, it isn't retro-active!