OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #19

[glf]

Sorry this has no reply with quote, but I've tried it twice with what I want to say, and both times I got my msg typed, it disappeared when I tried to post. I hope this tablet hasn't developed a mind of its own and thought what I had to say was stupid!
There is so much missing where this case is concerned, I think it's driving us bananas. What I mainly would like to know where the autopsy reports are concerned is TOD, how many times each was shot, and the names of who was shot how many times. We know that info on four victims, I believe - Chris was shot nine times, two to the head, Kenny had one bullet to the head, Gary had three to the head, and a few weeks ago somebody showed me where to read that said Dana had two to the head. So that leaves four others with multiple bullets to the head, W/O knowing who had how many (names Assoc with number).
I'm thinking that info might help figure out more of a motive, or maybe come closer to the ages of the killers. Maybe, I could be wrong. The killers know how many times each person was shot, and approx what time each occurred, so that info wouldn't tell us who did the shooting, and wouldn't have any cause to alarm the killers. In no way is an autopsy report going to say, for example, Hannah was shot three times by Gertrude Smith. Because none of us have that kind of info, and don't believe the coroner or ME have that info! So LE could not possibly hinder the case by giving us that info. It isn't important to see the entire report. No need to know if three people had baked ham and buttered cauliflower for supper, or how much each person weighed. Drug tox screens would be good info, along with the other things I mentioned above.
Just like the incident reports and search warrants info. Those are certainly not secretive documents. I believe they could out all the info I have mentioned and not jeopardize the case in any way. Guess I'll just have to play it by ear and see what happens.

 

[hec60504]

Check out the ending to 'The Departed' - the hit from one LEO to another - I imagine a similar scenario here: thick rubber gloves, shoe protectors, disposable clothing (easily burned), a good hat to keep any hair from falling, probably facemasks. When I was in LE we were drilled on the firing range to 'Double Tap'. IMO, I don't think anyone heard the gunshots because the subjects had silencers. I also think that Chris was probably woken up and confronted the subjects and fought, hence why he was shot 9 times.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Is it possible the perp went out of state and jumped off a mountain or in a ravine with no ID and has not been found or identified and therefore can't be tied to this case?

Anything is possible, but you'd think if someone committed suicide over this, it would be someone they knew. Hence, I'd assume we'd know that someone was missing.

 

[GTAWmom]

Sorry this has no reply with quote, but I've tried it twice with what I want to say, and both times I got my msg typed, it disappeared when I tried to post. I hope this tablet hasn't developed a mind of its own and thought what I had to say was stupid!
There is so much missing where this case is concerned, I think it's driving us bananas. What I mainly would like to know where the autopsy reports are concerned is TOD, how many times each was shot, and the names of who was shot how many times. We know that info on four victims, I believe - Chris was shot nine times, two to the head, Kenny had one bullet to the head, Gary had three to the head, and a few weeks ago somebody showed me where to read that said Dana had two to the head. So that leaves four others with multiple bullets to the head, W/O knowing who had how many (names Assoc with number).
I'm thinking that info might help figure out more of a motive, or maybe come closer to the ages of the killers. Maybe, I could be wrong. The killers know how many times each person was shot, and approx what time each occurred, so that info wouldn't tell us who did the shooting, and wouldn't have any cause to alarm the killers. In no way is an autopsy report going to say, for example, Hannah was shot three times by Gertrude Smith. Because none of us have that kind of info, and don't believe the coroner or ME have that info! So LE could not possibly hinder the case by giving us that info. It isn't important to see the entire report. No need to know if three people had baked ham and buttered cauliflower for supper, or how much each person weighed. Drug tox screens would be good info, along with the other things I mentioned above.
Just like the incident reports and search warrants info. Those are certainly not secretive documents. I believe they could out all the info I have mentioned and not jeopardize the case in any way. Guess I'll just have to play it by ear and see what happens.

I think we would all like that info along with the familys, but for whatever reason they aren't giving it. I too am really interested in ETD.
I read somewhere that there is a reporter or firm that is suing for the autopsies to be released. Does anyone have info or a link on this?

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[hec60504]

When I worked LE in a small town, we had a few officers who were selling drugs out of the trunks of their cruisers. A Detective friend of mine told me to stay out of it, or else I could end up hurt. He said the DEA was investigating, and they would do what they needed to. But it was well known that these officers got the drugs by shaking down some of the drug dealers... I would guess that there were several officers there helping to move the Cannabis, and someone threatened to out them for their role in this regard. No LEO EVER wants to face having to do even 24 hours in jail; you'd be in seclusion for your own safety for a long, long time before being moved into the general population. Here's the thing about Cannabis - it's bulky and it smells; to move it is always risky (if you got stopped and they sent out a Snoop Dog, it'd smell it right away) and challenging. It's easier to move (dollar for dollar) Fentanyl, Heroin, heck, even Cocaine. I think the SO there has a few very dirty and very bad LEO's in their ranks.

 

[CARIIS]

I think we would all like that info along with the familys, but for whatever reason they aren't giving it. I too am really interested in ETD.
I read somewhere that there is a reporter or firm that is suing for the autopsies to be released. Does anyone have info or a link on this?

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moo think CYA and your on your way!!

Its been way to long at this point for that to be the only logical explaination for all this secrecy, moving crime scene homes at taxpayer expense (totally obserd!) and breaking laws regarding release of public information!!

An awesome review of the laws they are breaking (!) by not releasing anything this far out There are all sorts of referances, in link below, to all the MSM requests that they comply with laws regarding release .

http://umbrellaofsuspicion.com/2016/07/rhoden-autopsy-reports-a-public-records-quagmire/

Their first round of BS was we cant release anything cause of an "active" investigation. They have changed this to....two offices cited security concerns as the reason for their refusal to disclose the autopsy records of the Rhoden family, the Dispatch reported Tuesday.

Wouldn't one have more security concerns the month after - as opposed to half a year?

We have a witness protection program - if "security" is ones concern........

I would also think , as a result of the economic climate in that area, folks would be more than willing to enter such a program- financial burdens would vanish.

our ability to judge the credibility of information coming in

anyone know if they ever set up an annoymous crime line - last I heard no - so exactly what is all this information that is flooding in, this week!! It was silent since it happened, and he wants us to beleive they are still being flooded with info. Makes no sense, imo, at all.

Look at all the nuance we get after far more complicated cases than this

In a tiny community where everyone knows everyone elses stuff. Noone can engage in illigal activities in isolation - you would have noone buying drugs, watching your fights, coming in for car repairs etc etc.

Its a financially struggling area, dealing is a source of income - imo lots of people in the area know exactly what happened, and the folks who did it, and why they did it , while also knowing they had better not say a thing to anyone - or their family could be next, moo

Just ask yourself, what entity could keep an entire community silent for half a year??

Its a mass murder - why have federal folks NEVER been involved. Apparently, they have to be asked to do so. So it would be a logical conclusion that they never asked. Its identical to refusing to ask for a second opinion after a cancer diagnosis. All behavior has meaning IMO.

They never asked for the best in the business after calling in 824 members of LE - again totally incongruent.

What motivation does anyone have for keeping everything in "house".

http://www.wcpo.com/news/crime/authorities-refuse-to-release-rhoden-familys-autopsies

 

[MaryMac250]

I think we would all like that info along with the familys, but for whatever reason they aren't giving it. I too am really interested in ETD.
I read somewhere that there is a reporter or firm that is suing for the autopsies to be released. Does anyone have info or a link on this?

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As I understand it, the Cincinnati Enquirer is taking this up. If you go to Pike County Twitter site, you can learn all about it. It is a recent development.

 

[Obiwankenobi]

I think we would all like that info along with the familys, but for whatever reason they aren't giving it. I too am really interested in ETD.
I read somewhere that there is a reporter or firm that is suing for the autopsies to be released. Does anyone have info or a link on this?

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I posted that link on one of the pages in this thread. I can't recall where though. I believe it's the Enquirer.

 

[MaryMac250]

moo think CYA and your on your way!!

Its been way to long at this point for that to be the only logical explaination for all this secrecy, moving crime scene homes at taxpayer expense (totally obserd!) and breaking laws regarding release of public information!!

an awesome review of the laws they are breaking (!) by not releasing anything this far out there are all sorts of referances to all the MSM requests that they comply with laws regarding release of information in this article.

http://umbrellaofsuspicion.com/2016/07/rhoden-autopsy-reports-a-public-records-quagmire/

Totally agree. My suspicions have grown regarding LE because of this very thing.

 

[FlyLadyFan]

When I worked LE in a small town, we had a few officers who were selling drugs out of the trunks of their cruisers. A Detective friend of mine told me to stay out of it, or else I could end up hurt. He said the DEA was investigating, and they would do what they needed to. But it was well known that these officers got the drugs by shaking down some of the drug dealers... I would guess that there were several officers there helping to move the Cannabis, and someone threatened to out them for their role in this regard. No LEO EVER wants to face having to do even 24 hours in jail; you'd be in seclusion for your own safety for a long, long time before being moved into the general population. Here's the thing about Cannabis - it's bulky and it smells; to move it is always risky (if you got stopped and they sent out a Snoop Dog, it'd smell it right away) and challenging. It's easier to move (dollar for dollar) Fentanyl, Heroin, heck, even Cocaine. I think the SO there has a few very dirty and very bad LEO's in their ranks.

^^^^ This.

 

[MaryMac250]

When I worked LE in a small town, we had a few officers who were selling drugs out of the trunks of their cruisers. A Detective friend of mine told me to stay out of it, or else I could end up hurt. He said the DEA was investigating, and they would do what they needed to. But it was well known that these officers got the drugs by shaking down some of the drug dealers... I would guess that there were several officers there helping to move the Cannabis, and someone threatened to out them for their role in this regard. No LEO EVER wants to face having to do even 24 hours in jail; you'd be in seclusion for your own safety for a long, long time before being moved into the general population. Here's the thing about Cannabis - it's bulky and it smells; to move it is always risky (if you got stopped and they sent out a Snoop Dog, it'd smell it right away) and challenging. It's easier to move (dollar for dollar) Fentanyl, Heroin, heck, even Cocaine. I think the SO there has a few very dirty and very bad LEO's in their ranks.

And, I am wondering if someone may be holding that information over someone's head. For lots of reasons, I cannot understand why a special prosecutor was not brought in to handle this case.

 

[rsd1200]

Sorry this has no reply with quote, but I've tried it twice with what I want to say, and both times I got my msg typed, it disappeared when I tried to post. I hope this tablet hasn't developed a mind of its own and thought what I had to say was stupid!
There is so much missing where this case is concerned, I think it's driving us bananas. What I mainly would like to know where the autopsy reports are concerned is TOD, how many times each was shot, and the names of who was shot how many times. We know that info on four victims, I believe - Chris was shot nine times, two to the head, Kenny had one bullet to the head, Gary had three to the head, and a few weeks ago somebody showed me where to read that said Dana had two to the head. So that leaves four others with multiple bullets to the head, W/O knowing who had how many (names Assoc with number).
I'm thinking that info might help figure out more of a motive, or maybe come closer to the ages of the killers. Maybe, I could be wrong. The killers know how many times each person was shot, and approx what time each occurred, so that info wouldn't tell us who did the shooting, and wouldn't have any cause to alarm the killers. In no way is an autopsy report going to say, for example, Hannah was shot three times by Gertrude Smith. Because none of us have that kind of info, and don't believe the coroner or ME have that info! So LE could not possibly hinder the case by giving us that info. It isn't important to see the entire report. No need to know if three people had baked ham and buttered cauliflower for supper, or how much each person weighed. Drug tox screens would be good info, along with the other things I mentioned above.
Just like the incident reports and search warrants info. Those are certainly not secretive documents. I believe they could out all the info I have mentioned and not jeopardize the case in any way. Guess I'll just have to play it by ear and see what happens.

BBM: Sometimes they hold that info back to weed out the crazies. People actually admit to doing crimes, like this, who did not commit them. Having them tell them about the nature, number, and locations of the shots, could be a definite way to weed those people out, or anyone else they may interrogate. I would love to have some info on this too, but, the more info that they release, also could help the person who is arrested for committing the crime. It can put more info out that might taint the jury pool and possibly give reason to move the trial. There's lots of scenarios. I will say this, if it's someone w/money & pull, in that small town, and they are looking at that person, then it may never go to trial, and if it does, they may very well walk. Saw it happen here in front of witnesses. Thankfully, the man he attempted to murder, did survive.

 

[GTAWmom]

moo think CYA and your on your way!!

Its been way to long at this point for that to be the only logical explaination for all this secrecy, moving crime scene homes at taxpayer expense (totally obserd!) and breaking laws regarding release of public information!!

An awesome review of the laws they are breaking (!) by not releasing anything this far out There are all sorts of referances, in link below, to all the MSM requests that they comply with laws regarding release .

http://umbrellaofsuspicion.com/2016/07/rhoden-autopsy-reports-a-public-records-quagmire/

Their first round of BS was we cant release anything cause of an "active" investigation. They have changed this to....two offices cited security concerns as the reason for their refusal to disclose the autopsy records of the Rhoden family, the Dispatch reported Tuesday.

Wouldn't one have more security concerns the month after - as opposed to half a year?

We have a witness protection program - if "security" is ones concern........

I would also think , as a result of the economic climate in that area, folks would be more than willing to enter such a program- financial burdens would vanish.

our ability to judge the credibility of information coming in

anyone know if they ever set up an annoymous crime line - last I heard no - so exactly what is all this information that is flooding in, this week!! It was silent since it happened, and he wants us to beleive they are still being flooded with info. Makes no sense, imo, at all.

Look at all the nuance we get after far more complicated cases than this

In a tiny community where everyone knows everyone elses stuff. Noone can engage in illigal activities in isolation - you would have noone buying drugs, watching your fights, coming in for car repairs etc etc.

Its a financially struggling area, dealing is a source of income - imo lots of people in the area know exactly what happened, and the folks who did it, and why they did it , while also knowing they had better not say a thing to anyone - or their family could be next, moo

Just ask yourself, what entity could keep an entire community silent for half a year??

Its a mass murder - why have federal folks NEVER been involved. Apparently, they have to be asked to do so. So it would be a logical conclusion that they never asked. Its identical to refusing to ask for a second opinion after a cancer diagnosis. All behavior has meaning IMO.

They never asked for the best in the business after calling in 824 members of LE - again totally incongruent.

What motivation does anyone have for keeping everything in "house".

http://www.wcpo.com/news/crime/authorities-refuse-to-release-rhoden-familys-autopsies

It's been a little more than three months not six.

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[CARIIS]

When I worked LE in a small town, we had a few officers who were selling drugs out of the trunks of their cruisers. A Detective friend of mine told me to stay out of it, or else I could end up hurt. He said the DEA was investigating, and they would do what they needed to. But it was well known that these officers got the drugs by shaking down some of the drug dealers... I would guess that there were several officers there helping to move the Cannabis, and someone threatened to out them for their role in this regard. No LEO EVER wants to face having to do even 24 hours in jail; you'd be in seclusion for your own safety for a long, long time before being moved into the general population. Here's the thing about Cannabis - it's bulky and it smells; to move it is always risky (if you got stopped and they sent out a Snoop Dog, it'd smell it right away) and challenging. It's easier to move (dollar for dollar) Fentanyl, Heroin, heck, even Cocaine. I think the SO there has a few very dirty and very bad LEO's in their ranks.

TYTYTYTYTYTY!!!!!

From day 4 I thought of breaking bad!!!

 

[CARIIS]

Thanks, I understand your point. When I referred to quality of evidence, I meant evidence that would lead to an arrest. We know the shell casings from guns used were some of the initial evidence. They would be helpful if LE can find the weapons, but it's not enough to lead them to the shooters. As for all the other evidence gathered since then, if anything like fingerprints or DNA pointed to one of the killers, LE would have made an arrest. According to DeWine, the killers did make sure they did things to hinder the investigation. And so far, the investigation has been hindered.

They have refused to say even that. How could saying :

"38 caliber weapons were used in the crime", give anything away?

Don't LE have specfic types of weapons??

 

[glf]

I posted that link on one of the pages in this thread. I can't recall where though. I believe it's the Enquirer.

Yes, it is the Enquirer. I don't know how to link, but on my tablet, it is Thread19, page 17, post #247. Hope this helps.

 

[glf]

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BBM: Sometimes they hold that info back to weed out the crazies. People actually admit to doing crimes, like this, who did not commit them. Having them tell them about the nature, number, and locations of the shots, could be a definite way to weed those people out, or anyone else they may interrogate. I would love to have some info on this too, but, the more info that they release, also could help the person who is arrested for committing the crime. It can put more info out that might taint the jury pool and possibly give reason to move the trial. There's lots of scenarios. I will say this, if it's someone w/money & pull, in that small town, and they are looking at that person, then it may never go to trial, and if it does, they may very well walk. Saw it happen here in front of witnesses. Thankfully, the man he attempted to murder, did survive.

I agree that attention seekers will call and confess to things they know very little about. But from what I have heard, that happens frequently in the first couple of weeks, and then it dies down.
If anybody is ever arrested, and the atty's don't ask for a chg of venue, there will be no way to get a jury who doesn't already have strong opinions and and everybody knows about this case. So after three months, I believe more info could be released W/O being harmful to the case.

 

[Obiwankenobi]

A long many threads and posts ago, someone brought forth this article.

http://portsmouth-dailytimes.com/news/1014/13-indicted-in-greenup-circuit-courts

I still find this article very interesting. GR was from Greenup but had been staying with CR1. I'd imagine, 13 people indicted in a drug bust, is a pretty big deal. I'm still scratching my head about the list of names involved. I can't help to wonder if a tip led to this bust.

 

[rsd1200]

We
I agree that attention seekers will call and confess to things they know very little about. But from what I have heard, that happens frequently in the first couple of weeks, and then it dies down.
If anybody is ever arrested, and the atty's don't ask for a chg of venue, there will be no way to get a jury who doesn't already have strong opinions and and everybody knows about this case. So after three months, I believe more info could be released W/O being harmful to the case.

But, as much as we want to know, we don't need to know.

 

[Dr. Know?]

A long many threads and posts ago, someone brought forth this article.

http://portsmouth-dailytimes.com/news/1014/13-indicted-in-greenup-circuit-courts

I still find this article very interesting. GR was from Greenup but had been staying with CR1. I'd imagine, 13 people indicted in a drug bust, is a pretty big deal. I'm still scratching my head about the list of names involved. I can't help to wonder if a tip led to this bust.

Thanks for reminding me. I think I posted it. Too many angles and time to sort out. Like weeds. M. Rhoden was arrested in that article. Great reminder.