OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #19

[glf]

I agree, they knew the first day, and if not, certainly by day two Gary's dad was told by a funeral home employee he had three shots to the head, and there were two different sizes of casings at the scene.

 

[Betty P]

If the killers thought the children were in any way a threat, they would have been killed. I can't imagine a scenario where the killers would risk apprehension to kill them now.


If the killers thought any other Rhoden family members were a threat, they would have killed them that night. Perhaps the sheriff's testimony is motivated more by a desire to see the surviving children grow up in homes and environments they think are better than relatives can provide. I can't imagine, after all this, any remaining family members are still involved in the same illegal activities that got the C Rhoden family killed.

If these were out of town contract killers, they wouldn't have any interest in returning for more murder and mayhem. They would have planned the operation and killed everyone they felt was a threat. If there is a threat to surviving family members, it would have to be from someone local, an informant who aided the killers who was "untouchable". I'm still leaning towards the involvement of someone in local LE.

 

[Betty P]

And I sure wish they would let the FBI and DEA take over this case. If someone from LE or local government was involved, DeWine, BCI and local LE will not resolve it. It usually takes outside help in these situations.

 

[glf]

If the killers thought the children were in any way a threat, they would have been killed. I can't imagine a scenario where the killers would risk apprehension to kill them now.


If the killers thought any other Rhoden family members were a threat, they would have killed them that night. Perhaps the sheriff's testimony is motivated more by a desire to see the surviving children grow up in homes and environments they think are better than relatives can provide.

I can't imagine a sheriff being that dirty underhanded and judgemental. Not to say it hadn't happened before, but I really don't think Charlie would have the heart or lack of conscious to pull that kind of BS and not look totally transparent. I would much rather believe that those things were said to keep things confidential. And a family member may take one or both of the babies and get financial aid to relocate just to be on the safe side. If it is gang or cartel related, relocation may be the best thing.

 

[sumzero]

And I sure wish they would let the FBI and DEA take over this case. If someone from LE or local government was involved, DeWine, BCI and local LE will not resolve it. It usually takes outside help in these situations.

Just to be clear. Are you suggesting that DeWine, BCI, and the local sheriff would cover it up?

 

[sumzero]

I can't imagine a sheriff being that dirty underhanded and judgemental. Not to say it hadn't happened before, but I really don't think Charlie would have the heart or lack of conscious to pull that kind of BS and not look totally transparent. I would much rather believe that those things were said to keep things confidential. And a family member may take one or both of the babies and get financial aid to relocate just to be on the safe side. If it is gang or cartel related, relocation may be the best thing.

I agree. I think Reader wants to take no chances and risk someone else's life (even if, at this point, the possibility is remote).

 

[pearl]

Just thought I would join the conversation with some thoughts that the sheriff's stating there is still danger to the children brought to my mind:
I think the killers are known to LE and are recognized as totally ruthless people.
Killers are local or from a place geographically close to Pike County.
I don't think the killers are currently being held in jail on unrelated charges until charges for these crimes can be brought. If they were currently in jail, there would not be such a high level of danger to the children.
I think the motive is personal due to the statement of danger to the children. An entire adult family was wiped out. I don't think a cartel or an out of area hit would pose such a danger to the children. IMO, competition in the marijuana and/or other drug activities or the derby cars just doesn't ring true to me. I can see how providing drugs to someone who OD'ed or ended up severely messed up could be a motive just not the growing of the reefer. IMO, someone who was murdered that night/morning did something or was perceived to have done something that caused the killers to do their business.
I also tend to think that Kenneth's murder might not be directly related to the motive for the other murders. I think the killers were the same, but KR's murder was one of opportunity, kind of something on the order of killing CRSR family took care of business so why not go on over to KR's to get his money, what's one more murder when seven have already happened.
Just some thoughts. I hope there is resolution for this crime in a timely manner. Two other cases I follow that haven't gone to trial yet happened many years ago.
Ya'll have a good night.

 

[jk204]

I'm trying to make sense of this. HR's oldest daughter is living with her father right now. She isn't in hiding. Her father isn't in hiding. Why not? 2 of those 3 children cannot possibly identify the killers. If it's an inhertance thing, then why is that particular little girl seemingly not in mortal danger?

IMO, Looks like a good old parental dispute regarding at least one of the children. Makes sense.

What is very interesting here is the confirmation of multiple killers. But it is also true that, in the case of parental aductions, complicity from the family of the perp is frequent.

As for the children in danger as witness, I don't buy that. As I said earlier, at 3 they are not credible witnesses. And even if they were, they already talked. They would not testify at the bar. So it would be a big risk to go at them again just to mute a witness who isn't really.

 

[grow73]

Oh Lord, I couldn't get to the last article posted because I have run out of free articles!! This case gets more bizarre by the day !

P.S. explosives in all four houses??

Just open it in a different browser, if you are using Chrome, open it in Firefox. I use Firefox for all web sites that costs money, and just keep the articles open in that browser.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Oh Lord, I couldn't get to the last article posted because I have run out of free articles!! This case gets more bizarre by the day !

P.S. explosives in all four houses??

If I clear my browser history and cookies, it resets for me.

 

[Traveller]

I agree with the motive for 3 of the killings but not with that of KR. I think if he was left alive he could provide information that would lead to arrest of the killers.

 

[Margo/Mom]

I am offering this article because I have always seen parallels between these two. Short North Posse is just wrapping up--after many years in existence, multiple police sweeps and finally one huge take-down that is finally wrapping up cases in court.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...-short-north-posse-defendants-face-trial.html

I don't suspect any connection between Pike County and Short North Posse--simply an understanding of methods and the sometimes casual way in which people other than those involved get taken down because they happened to be present with a target, or someone goofed.

"The drug gang operated from 2005 to 2014 out of Weinland Park north of Downtown. Its members and associates killed and robbed to suppress competition and enforce the gang's rules, prosecutors said."

Killing for intimidation and to maintain turf does not need to be specifically targeted. It operates more like terrorism.

 

[glf]

I can't believe this would be terrorism. That word to me ties to Colombia, Afghanistan, places in Africa, and for some reason, Ireland. I remember when I was in elementary school, we were hearing quite a bit about alot of unrest in Ireland. That could be ancient history by now. I always soaked up American history and Texas history, but world history bored me to death.
But terrorism in America, especially in a smaller state like Ohio, just seems unreal. But there are many things that happen in America that leave me thinking WHAT?!!!

 

[CARIIS]

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[Margo/Mom]

I agree. I think Reader wants to take no chances and risk someone else's life (even if, at this point, the possibility is remote).

Yes. I think we have to assume, without making any specific accusations, that at least some members of the family were encroaching on someone else's criminal territory. Other family member may or may not know more than has been reported, and possibly more than they told to LE. While the intent of the killer(s), to my mind, was to intimidate and destroy competition, I don't know that we can assume that they were wholly successful. IOW, no reason to believe we have reached GAME OVER. I don't know who the loose cannons might be--on either side. I don't know if Reader knows, but he assuredly knows more than we do.

These kids deserve a life, and even if the only true danger to them has to do with growing up under a cloud of press coverage and accusations about their parents and family members, I would suggest that is enough to warrant sealing the custody hearings from the public eye.

JMO.

 

[Margo/Mom]

I can't believe this would be terrorism. That word to me ties to Colombia, Afghanistan, places in Africa, and for some reason, Ireland. I remember when I was in elementary school, we were hearing quite a bit about alot of unrest in Ireland. That could be ancient history by now. I always soaked up American history and Texas history, but world history bored me to death.
But terrorism in America, especially in a smaller state like Ohio, just seems unreal. But there are many things that happen in America that leave me thinking WHAT?!!!

I said "like" terrorism, which is itself a fairly ill-defined concept. Yes, there are recent instances of terrorism linked to groups in other countries. But there are also instances of groups in our own country across time and history.

But again--the point is that terrorism operates outside any existing legal structure in order to strike fear into some opponent in order to make a point or have a chilling effect on opposition.

I have believed from the beginning that the Rhoden killing bears a direct relationship to illegal drug (or other) activity and was in all likelihood a territorial dispute of some kind--very likely an expansion or planned expansion into turf or market controlled by someone else. This kind of killing does not always have neatly connected dots--the risk of collateral damage is very high.

 

[glf]

I really doubt that there will be any "cat fights" for lack of a better expression, over the baby girl. Once results are in on paternity, I see the two men being friends. They may already be friends. But whoever is the blood relative, Jake wants his daughter to see her baby sister, and Charlie seems to feel the same, wanting the two girls in each other's lives, along with B and R, as they are all blood relatives.
Charlie R may feel it's just better for everybody to keep custody hearings private, at least til the killers are behind bars. we must remember the kids were the innocents in all this, and in a way have lost the most. Their emotional health, as well as their physical safety both should be protected.

 

[WVWoman]

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Community-still-on-edge-three-months-after-murders-387985392.html

Local news channel in wv...this is never gonna be solved with the attitude of no one else is in danger go on with your life I get reading this...

Says 3 months after the murders but has update on same link !


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[Margo/Mom]

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Community-still-on-edge-three-months-after-murders-387985392.html

Local news channel in wv...this is never gonna be solved with the attitude of no one else is in danger go on with your life I get reading this...

Says 3 months after the murders but has update on same link !


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I don't quite see it the way that you do. I think that the sense of diminished danger comes from the belief that the Rhoden family was specifically targeted, and according to Mike Dewine (which echoes what I have believed for some time), bearing a direct relationship to illegal drug activity. So--folks who are not associated would have little to fear. Very different from a random serial killer whose presence in a community would pose a danger to a much wider group of folks based on availability or whatever the killer was attracted to.

This does not say to me that nobody is working the crime any more. I would imagine that about all has been gleaned from the crime scenes that is available, as well as interviews with persons of interest and others close to the victims. I am thinking that information that is likely to spark arrests is going to come in the form of information provided by people who know something but aren't likely to talk until they need to use that information as a bargaining chip when they are faced with doing time for something else. So, investigation at this point, I would think, would get very general, tracking the flow of substances in and out of the county and intercepting such deliveries until they hit on someone willing to sing. And very likely a long chain of somebodies. May well take years.

 

[WVWoman]

I don't quite see it the way that you do. I think that the sense of diminished danger comes from the belief that the Rhoden family was specifically targeted, and according to Mike Dewine (which echoes what I have believed for some time), bearing a direct relationship to illegal drug activity. So--folks who are not associated would have little to fear. Very different from a random serial killer whose presence in a community would pose a danger to a much wider group of folks based on availability or whatever the killer was attracted to.

This does not say to me that nobody is working the crime any more. I would imagine that about all has been gleaned from the crime scenes that is available, as well as interviews with persons of interest and others close to the victims. I am thinking that information that is likely to spark arrests is going to come in the form of information provided by people who know something but aren't likely to talk until they need to use that information as a bargaining chip when they are faced with doing time for something else. So, investigation at this point, I would think, would get very general, tracking the flow of substances in and out of the county and intercepting such deliveries until they hit on someone willing to sing. And very likely a long chain of somebodies. May well take years.

Ok I see what your saying ...I did t mean they wasn't looking or working the case ..what I am saying the urgency isn't there. Waiting and watching ...until caught ..


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