OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #20

[GTAWmom]

There is a mention in the article of the Ross County folks working their way up the chain to the Mexican Cartel. Perhaps Reader was following the same chain and they bumped into one another?

Can you please provide that link? Very interested.

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[CSIDreamer]

If you wish to discuss and sleuth the two men arrested for murdering officer Jose Chavez in NM please do so here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Killed-During-Traffic-Stop-Hatch-12-Aug-2016

Bumping.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I don't know if I can get on board with the idea of a blood feud or not. May have to contemplate on that for awhile. I know that things of that nature do occur occasionally, but it doesn't seem likely in this situation. Of course, not knowing the relationships of the victims with all family members, I certainly couldn't say that could never happen. Can you elaborate on your theory?

One of my pet theories involves what you could call a blood feud. It hinges on jealousy and feeling replaced by someone else.

 

[Daisy47]

So, someone related, or someone unrelated, to the children thought drugs were so evil that they murdered eight people, including the mothers of the children, in cold blood? And that would be better for the children? And it would ensure that the children would be raised in a law-abiding environment (well, except for the fact that they might be raised by mass murderers)? Not sure I follow the logic.

Though I don't see this as a likely scenario, it's a possibility. We can't follow the logic of anyone capable of committing these horrendous murders. In their sick, vile mind/s, it could have made sense.


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[jk204]

I don't know if I can get on board with the idea of a blood feud or not. May have to contemplate on that for awhile. I know that things of that nature do occur occasionally, but it doesn't seem likely in this situation. Of course, not knowing the relationships of the victims with all family members, I certainly couldn't say that could never happen. Can you elaborate on your theory?

Blood feud isn't my theory. RSD has put it forward as one of possible theories. My point is that after 3 months perps have been good in keeping the secret. So imo it can't be something half the village knows about. Otherwise one of the people involved would have talked.

 

[Dudly]

I think we did touch on that subject, at that time we wondered if inventory had been done or not. As far as matters, I know it would be necessary to have a land survey done and property lines marked, but as far as contents of the homes, I wonder if instead of complete inventory, if the courts would just estimate content value as a whole? It would be a very time consuming task to go in and say closet A contained four pair men's jeans, five long sleeved shirts, ashtray on bedside table valued at approx four dollars...

P.S. However, I remember it was at least three years after Clarence Rhoden died before everything was settled over his assets R/T the fact he had no will. And I don't believe I heard it mentioned if that included his home and personal contents.

Police would have to have some kind of inventory. If not, the family could list a bunch of very expensive items missing when they get the personal items...

 

[glf]

Police would have to have some kind of inventory. If not, the family could list a bunch of very expensive items missing when they get the personal items...

Thought so, but since many states laws vary to some degree, you never know.

 

[glf]

About Reader talking toN.M. LE. Since the murders occurred in Pike county, and Reader is sheriff here, it only makes sense for him to talk to them to find out exactly what was being rumoured thru MSM, and make a statement pronto, so the entire country wasn't having the same reaction we did!

 

[rsd1200]

When i read this article Reader and Dewine contradicted each other " DeWine says he understands but stresses that he doesn't believe anyone else is in danger." but yet when Reader testified in court on behalf of the 2 minor children still in state custody he argued that he is in fear that the children could be in danger if information about the custody was released to the public. It may be Readers last chance effort in trying to keep the records sealed from public by making it seem like the children are in danger.
Also when reading i was kinda taken back by something mentioned in the article after the statement that pike county residents fear to leave their doors unlocked after the murder happened. Right after that statement was this:

"One woman says she used to be able to leave her doors unlocked at night, but since the murders she makes sure everything is locked.

However, a couple that lives less than a mile from the scene of the murders feel differently. They say they rarely think about what unfolded down the street."

Is this a character reference into the Rhoden family ? We hear a lot of mixed feelings about the Rhoden Family and what they were involved in ( let me just say by no means do i think they deserved this ) but that statement just struck me odd, I grew up in a small town just like pike county if something like this was to had happened I would be thinking about this often even if i wasn't overly fond of the victims, to say they rarely think about a whole family being mascaraed less than a mile from my house that would definitely have my attention and have me on edge. JMO

BBM

This sounds like something that I might say after several months of folks trying to get me to talk about my murdered neighbors, quizzing me about how I felt, did I this, or did I that, etc. . . I'd probably say something just about like that to make them go away. I'd think, out of desperation at this point, if I tell them something like that, then I'm obviously uninteresting, and maybe they will leave me alone from here on out.

 

[rsd1200]

Hi rsd1200,

I thought some more about your idea of blood feud. Family feuds I've seen, (ie inheritance and business ventures turned wrong), were wide open. Everybody knew about them.

I think it would have to be a feud about something more secretive or taboo. Something that is underlying but no one is talking about openly. Could be about an illegal activity or about morality.

JMO about this theory.

Regards, JK

I agree, or, possibly, the age old green eyed devil.

 

[rsd1200]

Police would have to have some kind of inventory. If not, the family could list a bunch of very expensive items missing when they get the personal items...

Inventory is just a necessary evil.

 

[GTAWmom]

Are we allowed to discuss the Mexican cartel if they have not been implicated as a suspect?

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[glf]

Ties to the cartel have been mentioned since discovery of the pot. LE has neither confirmed nor denied there is a connection.not a direct quote, but I believe it was AG Mike who said something about they were not ruling anything out. More and more it seems like that avenue isn't talked about as much, but there isn't any solid proof as to whether they are involved or not

 

[Tillicum]

Are we allowed to discuss the Mexican cartel if they have not been implicated as a suspect?

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From tlcya on first post

"There are no named POIs or suspects so keep speculation and theories broad."

 

[CSIDreamer]

Cartel can be discussed, not understanding the posts about blood or family being allowed though. They are still victims and haven't been named as suspects. jmo

You can discuss theories without naming names. Let me see if I can find the applicable links for all of ya'll.

The earlier bump was because a mod has already stated discussing a case that was mistakenly linked to this one goes on another thread.

Be right back.

Argh. Having trouble finding what I remember reading. I think Tricia wrote it with examples of how to discuss a theory and make it broad enough and not name names. Anyone know where it is?

 

[Tiff23fr]

Question to long time sleuths:
Is it out of the ordinary to roll into month 4 with no word of POI, no mention of further motive, no mention of anything?

 

[Ray Pate]

It might roll into years,

 

[GTAWmom]

Question to long time sleuths:
Is it out of the ordinary to roll into month 4 with no word of POI, no mention of further motive, no mention of anything?

There was another case just recently. Not a whole lot of info was being released on that as well and right around 4 months and an arrest was made. I think it was the Seivers case. I think her husband was arrested. Anyone else familiar with that case?

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[rsd1200]

There was another case just recently. Not a whole lot of info was being released on that as well and right around 4 months and an arrest was made. I think it was the Seivers case. I think her husband was arrested. Anyone else familiar with that case?

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I followed that one. Like this one, I know the region, so it pulled me in from day one. I think, iirc, they had a bit of a lead on the two men from out of state, fairly early on, mostly b/c they were not the sharpest knives in the drawer. It took longer to come up w/enough evidence to make an arrest on M.S. though. Again, iirc, b/c I've not checked in on it in several weeks, and my memory is about cloudy on it.

 

[Obiwankenobi]

BBM

This sounds like something that I might say after several months of folks trying to get me to talk about my murdered neighbors, quizzing me about how I felt, did I this, or did I that, etc. . . I'd probably say something just about like that to make them go away. I'd think, out of desperation at this point, if I tell them something like that, then I'm obviously uninteresting, and maybe they will leave me alone from here on out.

Yes, I can see that scenario! Laying low and wanting no part of it to be on the safe side!