OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #21

[oceanblueeyes]

Imo. If the detectives can't solve this case. Then they are not worth much. Jmo.

Why do you say that Dexter if I may ask? Is there evidence they know about that I have missed pointing to who did this?

The reason I say that is there are countless unsolved cases so unfortunately some cases just aren't ever solved due to lack of evidence needed to support the BARD standard that must be met in court. . I think if any law enforcement agency had evidence in hand showing who did these murders they would jump at the chance to arrest someone. Imo, there is nothing more important to law enforcement agencies than solving a case and certainly one of this magnitude with so many victims.

It took quite awhile for them to finally charge someone in Jessica Chambers case. I really don't care how long they take as long as they arrest the person/s who did this. The DA gets only one bite at the apple so the evidence has to be solid.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Why do you say that Dexter if I may ask? Is there evidence they know about that I have missed pointing to who did this?

The reason I say that is there are countless unsolved cases so unfortunately some cases just aren't ever solved due to lack of evidence needed to support the BARD standard that must be met in court. . I think if any law enforcement agency had evidence in hand showing who did these murders they would jump at the chance to arrest someone. Imo, there is nothing more important to law enforcement agencies than solving a case and certainly one of this magnitude with so many victims.

It took quite awhile for them to finally charge someone in Jessica Chambers case. I really don't care how long they take as long as they arrest the person/s who did this. The DA gets only one bite at the apple so the evidence has to be solid.

It has been my thinking for quite some time that this case will not be solved forensically. Forensics (finger prints, phone records--that sort of thing) may be confirmatory. But I do believe that in the end it will be resolved base on the testimony of a variety of witnesses. And those witnesses will emerge over time as various players are taken down for various crimes and offer up what they know in the form of deals to save themselves. It's a puzzle with a lot of pieces. But they will come together over time.

 

[rsd1200]

I don't recall reading she found a hidden key. "She found the key and opened the door" is the quote I've read, making me think she could've had a spare on her.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/11/pike-county-not-leaving-those-babies-there/84194756/

You are correct. In the 911 transcript, I just looked it up, she says:

Caller: The door was locked when I got here, but I have a key to his house, and I went in and they were laying on the floor.

In another article, she is quoted as:

She says the door to the trailer was locked, which was unusual, but she found the key.

http://www.fxtribune.com/local/pike-county-murders-relative-tells-of-finding-victims-h72053.html

She found the key and opened the door.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/11/pike-county-not-leaving-those-babies-there/84194756/


After reading these I'd gotten it fixed in my head that she'd found the spare key at the trailer though. So she most likely had a key to, I'd think, to KR's place as well, since he padlocked it when he went to work, and she helped him out too.

 

[Daisy47]

Why do you say that Dexter if I may ask? Is there evidence they know about that I have missed pointing to who did this?

The reason I say that is there are countless unsolved cases so unfortunately some cases just aren't ever solved due to lack of evidence needed to support the BARD standard that must be met in court. . I think if any law enforcement agency had evidence in hand showing who did these murders they would jump at the chance to arrest someone. Imo, there is nothing more important to law enforcement agencies than solving a case and certainly one of this magnitude with so many victims.

It took quite awhile for them to finally charge someone in Jessica Chambers case. I really don't care how long they take as long as they arrest the person/s who did this. The DA gets only one bite at the apple so the evidence has to be solid.

Love this post!!! My thoughts EXACTLY!


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[Flatbush]

I do hope LE is building a good case. I do try to be positive although the wait is horrible. You are correct, LE said early on it was going to take time and they only have one try to make it stick.
Comes to mind, anyone charged with a crime has a right to a speedy trial. So those handling the case best have the ducks lined up.
This whole ordeal has had me worried since the get go.

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[glf]

Back in the 80's, I remember thinking if a person was in jail then they had to be tried within 90 days. Then I talked to a friend in LE about that, and he said no, that prosecution has to announce they are ready to go to court within 90 days. Then, they have to wait and set a date after the defense announces they are ready to go to court. Then it's a back and forth deal and can be changed if more evidence turns up, or another witness, or an accomplice, or an informant. That 90 days can easily become two years by the time everything is said and done and a jury selection begins. It's really a crazy thing!

 

[Dudly]

Why do you say that Dexter if I may ask? Is there evidence they know about that I have missed pointing to who did this?

The reason I say that is there are countless unsolved cases so unfortunately some cases just aren't ever solved due to lack of evidence needed to support the BARD standard that must be met in court. . I think if any law enforcement agency had evidence in hand showing who did these murders they would jump at the chance to arrest someone. Imo, there is nothing more important to law enforcement agencies than solving a case and certainly one of this magnitude with so many victims.

It took quite awhile for them to finally charge someone in Jessica Chambers case. I really don't care how long they take as long as they arrest the person/s who did this. The DA gets only one bite at the apple so the evidence has to be solid.

The Jonbenet Ramsey case is still unsolved after 20 years...

 

[rsd1200]

The Jonbenet Ramsey case is still unsolved after 20 years...

FWIW, so are the Nicole Brown & Ron Goldman murders.

I'd rather see this take a bit longer, and them have their ducks all in a row, than take any chance that assailant(s) walks.

 

[Minasmom]

Have y'all ever seen a magic trick? How does a magician pull it off? By sleight of hand and misdirection. So just let me throw out a hypothetical situation....
What if you had a burning hatred and a deep seated motive for revenge for one or two members of a family I'll call the Smiths? One of the members of the Smith family has been a pain in your backside and is now causing you legal problems. You HATE this person. The thoughts of revenge consume you. Now, the Smith family seem to be doing okay for themselves while everyone else around you can barely keep their families fed. So several people in your circle (and it's a rough crowd you run with) also have reason to have hard feelings for the family. After a few run-ins with this person that you loathe, you and a few cronies are sitting around a few beers one night and a plan begins to form. You start running your mouth about how much you hate this person and a few friends jump on board with their feelings of resentment towards the Smiths - could be related to the Smiths' success, the derby cars they race or an MJ deal where someone felt cheated. And thus, a plan begins to come together. Since everyone has kids of their own, it's decided that none of the little ones will be harmed but the rest of the family will be taken out. It seems like the perfect plan because with so many victims, LE will be left chasing their own tails trying to figure out motive. You will all be sworn to secrecy and take it to your graves as everyone has as much to lose. And no one will ever figure out who was the primary target(s) here and who was the mastermind behind it all.

 

[Dudly]

Have y'all ever seen a magic trick? How does a magician pull it off? By sleight of hand and misdirection. So just let me throw out a hypothetical situation....
What if you had a burning hatred and a deep seated motive for revenge for one or two members of a family I'll call the Smiths? One of the members of the Smith family has been a pain in your backside and is now causing you legal problems. You HATE this person. The thoughts of revenge consume you. Now, the Smith family seem to be doing okay for themselves while everyone else around you can barely keep their families fed. So several people in your circle (and it's a rough crowd you run with) also have reason to have hard feelings for the family. After a few run-ins with this person that you loathe, you and a few cronies are sitting around a few beers one night and a plan begins to form. You start running your mouth about how much you hate this person and a few friends jump on board with their feelings of resentment towards the Smiths - could be related to the Smiths' success, the derby cars they race or an MJ deal where someone felt cheated. And thus, a plan begins to come together. Since everyone has kids of their own, it's decided that none of the little ones will be harmed but the rest of the family will be taken out. It seems like the perfect plan because with so many victims, LE will be left chasing their own tails trying to figure out motive. You will all be sworn to secrecy and take it to your graves as everyone has as much to lose. And no one will ever figure out who was the primary target(s) here and who was the mastermind behind it all.

The only way a secret is kept is if only one person knows the secret...

 

[MaryMac250]

The Jonbenet Ramsey case is still unsolved after 20 years...

Yeah, and if you've been keeping up lately, you know it ain't gonna be anytime soon. IMHO, it all lies with the choice of lawyers, and the Ramseys had and have that down pat.

 

[MaryMac250]

The only way a secret is kept is if only one person knows the secret...

Yeah, again, that's how the sayin' goes.

 

[MaryMac250]

FWIW, so are the Nicole Brown & Ron Goldman murders.

I'd rather see this take a bit longer, and them have their ducks all in a row, than take any chance that assailant(s) walks.

I always value your comments and agree with the logic behind this one. But, I have to wonder, if the Jonbenet crime scene had been bundled up and taken solely into LE custody (sorry), would we still be talking about it 20 years later?

 

[glf]

Have y'all ever seen a magic trick? How does a magician pull it off? By sleight of hand and misdirection. So just let me throw out a hypothetical situation....
What if you had a burning hatred and a deep seated motive for revenge for one or two members of a family I'll call the Smiths? One of the members of the Smith family has been a pain in your backside and is now causing you legal problems. You HATE this person. The thoughts of revenge consume you. Now, the Smith family seem to be doing okay for themselves while everyone else around you can barely keep their families fed. So several people in your circle (and it's a rough crowd you run with) also have reason to have hard feelings for the family. After a few run-ins with this person that you loathe, you and a few cronies are sitting around a few beers one night and a plan begins to form. You start running your mouth about how much you hate this person and a few friends jump on board with their feelings of resentment towards the Smiths - could be related to the Smiths' success, the derby cars they race or an MJ deal where someone felt cheated. And thus, a plan begins to come together. Since everyone has kids of their own, it's decided that none of the little ones will be harmed but the rest of the family will be taken out. It seems like the perfect plan because with so many victims, LE will be left chasing their own tails trying to figure out motive. You will all be sworn to secrecy and take it to your graves as everyone has as much to lose. And no one will ever figure out who was the primary target(s) here and who was the mastermind behind it all.

Very believable! I believe that most anybody that plans revenge or murder think alongside these lines. Usually physical evidence trips them up long before run-of-the-mouth-itis gets them!

 

[amauet1]

Have y'all ever seen a magic trick? How does a magician pull it off? By sleight of hand and misdirection. So just let me throw out a hypothetical situation....
What if you had a burning hatred and a deep seated motive for revenge for one or two members of a family I'll call the Smiths? One of the members of the Smith family has been a pain in your backside and is now causing you legal problems. You HATE this person. The thoughts of revenge consume you. Now, the Smith family seem to be doing okay for themselves while everyone else around you can barely keep their families fed. So several people in your circle (and it's a rough crowd you run with) also have reason to have hard feelings for the family. After a few run-ins with this person that you loathe, you and a few cronies are sitting around a few beers one night and a plan begins to form. You start running your mouth about how much you hate this person and a few friends jump on board with their feelings of resentment towards the Smiths - could be related to the Smiths' success, the derby cars they race or an MJ deal where someone felt cheated. And thus, a plan begins to come together. Since everyone has kids of their own, it's decided that none of the little ones will be harmed but the rest of the family will be taken out. It seems like the perfect plan because with so many victims, LE will be left chasing their own tails trying to figure out motive. You will all be sworn to secrecy and take it to your graves as everyone has as much to lose. And no one will ever figure out who was the primary target(s) here and who was the mastermind behind it all.

I like your theory, except I believe their was only about 3 to 4 people who know exactly what happened to the Smiths. Less people easier to keep the secret pact. And these people know a lot of secrets about each other.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Here is a video that was released earlier this week Sept 13.

In the video Dewine confirms it was CSR running commercial operations (2:59) and that the crime scenes were moved for a potential future jury (5:55).

Pastor Fulton talks about BJM and what she has been going through. He also states he believes someone in Pike or Adams county was an inside track for the perps giving them info on the ins and outs so they could come in and do the job.

Fulton also states there is no doubt this was over the drugs, however Dewine still didn't confirm it as the motive.

AG continues to ask for any information even if its 2nd or 3rd hand information.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AMmsz9glPvU




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[rsd1200]

Have y'all ever seen a magic trick? How does a magician pull it off? By sleight of hand and misdirection. So just let me throw out a hypothetical situation....
What if you had a burning hatred and a deep seated motive for revenge for one or two members of a family I'll call the Smiths? One of the members of the Smith family has been a pain in your backside and is now causing you legal problems. You HATE this person. The thoughts of revenge consume you. Now, the Smith family seem to be doing okay for themselves while everyone else around you can barely keep their families fed. So several people in your circle (and it's a rough crowd you run with) also have reason to have hard feelings for the family. After a few run-ins with this person that you loathe, you and a few cronies are sitting around a few beers one night and a plan begins to form. You start running your mouth about how much you hate this person and a few friends jump on board with their feelings of resentment towards the Smiths - could be related to the Smiths' success, the derby cars they race or an MJ deal where someone felt cheated. And thus, a plan begins to come together. Since everyone has kids of their own, it's decided that none of the little ones will be harmed but the rest of the family will be taken out. It seems like the perfect plan because with so many victims, LE will be left chasing their own tails trying to figure out motive. You will all be sworn to secrecy and take it to your graves as everyone has as much to lose. And no one will ever figure out who was the primary target(s) here and who was the mastermind behind it all.

I can see that. Where I come from it's called Hillbilly justice, or backwoods justice. It's not played out to this level, in the 21st century, that I'm aware of though. Doesn't mean it can't happen though. In the beginning when I ran this by my family, one of the first things that came to their mind, was backwoods justice.

 

[rsd1200]

I always value your comments and agree with the logic behind this one. But, I have to wonder, if the Jonbenet crime scene had been bundled up and taken solely into LE custody (sorry), would we still be talking about it 20 years later?

What I meant by Brown and Goldman, was that they too mishandled the crime scene, and obviously didn't have their ducks in a row at trial time, imo, b/c the murderer walked. With the Jonbenet case, I agree, they did not secure the crime scene. Also, just for the record, I have a basement. If one of my children had gone missing? I'd have scoured every inch of this house, including the basement. First, thinking, that they were just hiding somewhere in the house. Mine have done that. The grandkids have too.

 

[glf]

The Jonbenet Ramsey case is still unsolved after 20 years...

After watching the 3hr special on TLC last nite, I am inclined to believe the person named Mike or Mark Carr could most likely have been involved. Carr acts like a smug little jerk, but he's not stupid by any means. And there could have easily been an accomplice with him. Same scenario goes for this Mike, whose death was ruled a suicide. From the things said by the friend he worked with a month before the murder, it seems very likely. I know Carr was cleared after initial DNA testing, but the accomplice, if he exists, has remained elusive. I can't remember if DNA was collected from Mike. When his friend contacted po!ice after his death at first they weren't interested. There is a two part mini series onSun and Mon nites at 7:30p.

 

[RichP]

Yeah, and if you've been keeping up lately, you know it ain't gonna be anytime soon. IMHO, it all lies with the choice of lawyers, and the Ramseys had and have that down pat.

I agree it won't be solved but that fault lies with the absolute total ineptness of the Boulder, CO authorities in handling the crime scene.