OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #23

[glf]

I think Kenny definitely fits in...even if only because Chris had given him cash to hold. Maybe Chris had a sixth sense and was concerned about his house being burglarized, so he didn't want several thousand dollars to be taken. Kenny living in a camper, its not likely the average Joe would think he had a bunch of cash lying around.

 

[rsd1200]

I keep thinking that KR was a separate crime. I think the motive was robbery of some kind. Probably plants and cash. I think the perp knew the rest were going to be killed or were already dead. They figured his death would be considered part of the other crimes. If there was cash as DS claimed, it may have been dropped in haste. Unless KR was involved in something that has not come out yet, he doesn't fit in with the others being killed. The rest were all CR Sr.'s immediate family except GR, who was collateral damage in my opinion...

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Every scenario, except a couple, for me, (and TOS would probably prevent me from sharing one), has KR as the odd man out, and GR in the wrong place. Although he had distanced himself from UHR in the recent past. Maybe he knew something, and wanted away from trouble, but trouble knew he knew something. I agree w/you, I think the main intent was to wipe out CR1 and his immediate family. I think it will be someone close to them too. Someone exacting vengeance.

 

[Thinker58]

I'll admit that is a possible angle. Problem is we have no set time frame as to deaths. If KR is earlier, it plays better into it being included into the whole. If his time of death is later, then it plays better into being a separate crime.
It could be that the "Trojan" being already implicated in murder, decided to throw caution away. I do believe this un-named person ( Trojan ) was lead to help the perps in the belief that they were "roughing" up the family a bit not outright murdering them.

 

[Thinker58]

I keep thinking that KR was a separate crime. I think the motive was robbery of some kind. Probably plants and cash. I think the perp knew the rest were going to be killed or were already dead. They figured his death would be considered part of the other crimes. If there was cash as DS claimed, it may have been dropped in haste. Unless KR was involved in something that has not come out yet, he doesn't fit in with the others being killed. The rest were all CR Sr.'s immediate family except GR, who was collateral damage in my opinion...

I'll admit that is a possible angle. Problem is we have no set time frame as to deaths. If KR is earlier, it plays better into it being included into the whole. If his time of death is later, then it plays better into being a separate crime.
It could be that the "Trojan" being already implicated in murder, decided to throw caution away. I do believe this un-named person ( Trojan ) was lead to help the perps in the belief that they were "roughing" up the family a bit not outright murdering them.

 

[Thinker58]

IMO, murder is committed for sex, love or money. I'll lay odds on the money angle.
1) The excessive cars. They were flying under state radar on that not being licensed. Something shady there and I suggest asset laundering from another party.
2) In other forums, it has been stated that CR1 may have had an interest in a pill mill with a certain backer..RW.
3) It is convenient that the Minford murders have the same M.O. HG knew, at least casually, the Newsome girl.
4) The recent development of his reconciliation with DR may have sparked a desire to disassociate from the operations and go as clean as he could, relying on his future "crops" to supplement the income.
5) BJM may have been aware that "something" was going to happen but likely expected to find CR1 and GR badly beaten not dead.
6) The murders were vicious. If one reads the autopsy reports, several had fractured skulls, hematomas and CR1 had fractured vertebrae. Sex and love isn't normally that vicious. However money or a threat of exposure resulting in loss of money can be.
7) Pike Co. Sheriff, the AG, state BCI, FBI, DEA and DHS are all involved. DHS is rather telling to me. This is viewed as, perhaps, "criminal" terrorism or "terrorism" by some facet of organized crime. This makes Reader a mouthpiece which explains why his OT for deputies dwindled.
8) DeWine stated that the investigation uncovered previously unknown criminal activity. But that activity is not commented on as to what it is.

IMO, the reason for the killings is clear. It was done to shut someone and their family up and to send a strong message to those who wished to disengage. It was stated on this forum that it was deeper than drugs. The infants, perhaps, are being used to pressure people to talk to LE. Once the insider, the "Trojan" is exposed, it'll unravel quickly and thank God for that.

 

[Betty P]

IMO, murder is committed for sex, love or money. I'll lay odds on the money angle.
1) The excessive cars. They were flying under state radar on that not being licensed. Something shady there and I suggest asset laundering from another party.
2) In other forums, it has been stated that CR1 may have had an interest in a pill mill with a certain backer..RW.
3) It is convenient that the Minford murders have the same M.O. HG knew, at least casually, the Newsome girl.
4) The recent development of his reconciliation with DR may have sparked a desire to disassociate from the operations and go as clean as he could, relying on his future "crops" to supplement the income.
5) BJM may have been aware that "something" was going to happen but likely expected to find CR1 and GR badly beaten not dead.
6) The murders were vicious. If one reads the autopsy reports, several had fractured skulls, hematomas and CR1 had fractured vertebrae. Sex and love isn't normally that vicious. However money or a threat of exposure resulting in loss of money can be.
7) Pike Co. Sheriff, the AG, state BCI, FBI, DEA and DHS are all involved. DHS is rather telling to me. This is viewed as, perhaps, "criminal" terrorism or "terrorism" by some facet of organized crime. This makes Reader a mouthpiece which explains why his OT for deputies dwindled.
8) DeWine stated that the investigation uncovered previously unknown criminal activity. But that activity is not commented on as to what it is.

IMO, the reason for the killings is clear. It was done to shut someone and their family up and to send a strong message to those who wished to disengage. It was stated on this forum that it was deeper than drugs. The infants, perhaps, are being used to pressure people to talk to LE. Once the insider, the "Trojan" is exposed, it'll unravel quickly and thank God for that.

Good analysis & summary

1) Lots of people have speculated about the cars, but a recent news article stated LE is returning all of them to the family. They wouldn't do that if there was something illegal going on.

2) That's an interesting angle. If true, it doesn't seem he had been involved for long. Not much evidence of increased wealth, everyone was still working jobs, long hours, low wages.

3) Have always thought the Minford murders might be connected. The fact that the mom had recently been busted, then murdered, IMO, could mean she was talking to LE in order to get more favorable treatment.

4) Very possible. CR1 didn't strike me as the kind of guy who put his own family at risk.

5) Agree, whomever it was who played the Trojan role may have been convinced it would be less violent, not deadly, possibly fewer people targeted.

7) & 8) Yes, a different kind of crime, IMO possibly involving public officials or other powerful people, being run by someone outside the US. Reader, AG, DEA, et al knew there was pot growing and drug dealing in the area. This was something different.

 

[rsd1200]

I hope this question isn't against TOS, but, I've searched, and not been able to find how GR's niece (I'm pretty sure she's his niece), ADR, passed. She was only 20. Does anyone know? She lived only a 1/2 hour from Piketon.

 

[Thinker58]

Good analysis & summary

1) Lots of people have speculated about the cars, but a recent news article stated LE is returning all of them to the family. They wouldn't do that if there was something illegal going on.

2) That's an interesting angle. If true, it doesn't seem he had been involved for long. Not much evidence of increased wealth, everyone was still working jobs, long hours, low wages.

3) Have always thought the Minford murders might be connected. The fact that the mom had recently been busted, then murdered, IMO, could mean she was talking to LE in order to get more favorable treatment.

4) Very possible. CR1 didn't strike me as the kind of guy who put his own family at risk.

5) Agree, whomever it was who played the Trojan role may have been convinced it would be less violent, not deadly, possibly fewer people targeted.

7) & 8) Yes, a different kind of crime, IMO possibly involving public officials or other powerful people, being run by someone outside the US. Reader, AG, DEA, et al knew there was pot growing and drug dealing in the area. This was something different.

Thanks for the reply. It allows open communication which in solving something is greatly needed.

1) LE is returning all cars to the family. It will be interesting to see how many actual cars are returned.Further, if the cars were involved in some type of illegal scheme, the unseen manipulator would write it off as a loss. If the unseen person(s) could plan and execute a murder strategy, the loss of revenue from the cars can be eaten.

BTW, what better way to deal with excess illicit assets? LM said CR1 took the cars to a variety of shops. In this age of computerization, the backyard mechanic is pretty much done for. Further, when I find a reliable mechanic I stick with that one. CR1 ranged regionally and used many. Nice way to launder assets. A car needs $200 in repair, the "mechanic" charges $2000. $1500 from another party is laundered. DR is reported to have gotten $200 for each car sold. LM stated that cars were bought cheaply ( $500-$1000? ) then sold for as high as $8k. Given the basic buy cheap sell high strategy, they should have been a lot better off. It smells to my nose that CR1 possibly DR were mules. With pills, heroin and prostitution rife, there's a lot of illegal funds that need a rinse or two. Why else fly under ODMV radar and not get a dealer's license which is required for any auto sales other than "incidental" ones?


2) From other forums, I understand it was in the works. While folks still worked at low wage positions, the auditor's site for Pike county shows several land holdings for CR1. Many are listed as CR1 et al. Whether the "et al" is referencing lien holders or others listed on the title deed is not clear.

3) I concur. Further, Reader stated the perps were "local". I'm a native of Ohio and "local" may refer to a city, town or regionally. Therefore, "local" may be taken as from Portsmouth to Chillicothe and from Jackson to Hillsboro.

4) The earlier divorce in ( '07? ) was not on infidelity, cruelty etc. It was irreconcilable differences. I surmise he was starting shady activities at that point in his early 30s. Most mammalian mothers are protective of their young and our species is no different. He had 9 years of a certain course and decided it was best to change. He aged and saw things differently and DR may have made that a condition for reconciliation.

5) Agree. This only makes sense. It is a small community. I was reared in a small Ohio community and didn't know everyone but news travels easily. Families air dirty laundry and social media has enhanced this. All that is required is a grudge or resentment hidden thinly under a smiling facade.The "Trojan" is contacted casually by the planner or an associate and then work the land, till the soil and plant the seed until the "Trojan" is ready. The "Trojan" thinks it's a matter of going in and unleashing some "whoop a**" on a few ( pardon the term ). When things turn deadly, the "trojan" is caught by their own grudges and desire for payback even if all they do is sketch out room arrangements and hold back pets. That's why the time of KR's death is vital. Earlier, it is a part of the plan. Later, it is the "Trojan" who has thrown caution to the wind being complicit in previous deaths. I can see that mentality arising too easily.

7 & 8) Pretty much. It would be inter and intra-state spanning parts of Ohio, Kentucky and West Virginia. Not surprisingly, this is the region where the cars for resale are drawn from.

All the discussion of who fathered a baby and the custody etc. etc. are all subplots. In their zeal to ID whomever, I think many are missing the bigger picture and focusing on the minute. Then again, this may be what LE wants so they don't have a cluttered field.

Of course, all this is my opinion and conjecture,

 

[Thinker58]

BTW,
The health thing was started in 2009 as Adams Health Solutions LLC showing Cr1 as incorporator at the 4077 UHR address ( https://www5.sos.state.oh.us:8443/ords/f?p=100:7:0::NO:77_CHARTER_NUM:1883740 ). A physical location is at 100 Grove St, Peebles, OH 45660 and lists Annual Revenue ($): $50.000 to $99.999 ( http://www.smallbusinessdb.com/adams-health-solutions-peebles-oh-45660.htm ). The LLC remains in active status. The building was sold by JRW on Oct. 5 2016 ( http://www.adamscountyauditor.org/Data.aspx?ParcelID=055-14-09-011.000 )

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I hope this question isn't against TOS, but, I've searched, and not been able to find how GR's niece (I'm pretty sure she's his niece), ADR, passed. She was only 20. Does anyone know? She lived only a 1/2 hour from Piketon.

I wonder if KRs "sidekick" is a member of a motorcycle club? Or if KR was? I was thinking that a lot of motorcycle clubs are classified as organized crime. But then so are militias. I can see Cr1 and KR being a member of either one or both. DHS monitors organized crime I think.

 

[Dudly]

IMO, murder is committed for sex, love or money. I'll lay odds on the money angle.
1) The excessive cars. They were flying under state radar on that not being licensed. Something shady there and I suggest asset laundering from another party.
2) In other forums, it has been stated that CR1 may have had an interest in a pill mill with a certain backer..RW.
3) It is convenient that the Minford murders have the same M.O. HG knew, at least casually, the Newsome girl.
4) The recent development of his reconciliation with DR may have sparked a desire to disassociate from the operations and go as clean as he could, relying on his future "crops" to supplement the income.
5) BJM may have been aware that "something" was going to happen but likely expected to find CR1 and GR badly beaten not dead.
6) The murders were vicious. If one reads the autopsy reports, several had fractured skulls, hematomas and CR1 had fractured vertebrae. Sex and love isn't normally that vicious. However money or a threat of exposure resulting in loss of money can be.
7) Pike Co. Sheriff, the AG, state BCI, FBI, DEA and DHS are all involved. DHS is rather telling to me. This is viewed as, perhaps, "criminal" terrorism or "terrorism" by some facet of organized crime. This makes Reader a mouthpiece which explains why his OT for deputies dwindled.
8) DeWine stated that the investigation uncovered previously unknown criminal activity. But that activity is not commented on as to what it is.

IMO, the reason for the killings is clear. It was done to shut someone and their family up and to send a strong message to those who wished to disengage. It was stated on this forum that it was deeper than drugs. The infants, perhaps, are being used to pressure people to talk to LE. Once the insider, the "Trojan" is exposed, it'll unravel quickly and thank God for that.

The skull fractures noted could be from the bullets shot through the skull.

 

[rsd1200]

I wonder if KRs "sidekick" is a member of a motorcycle club? Or if KR was? I was thinking that a lot of motorcycle clubs are classified as organized crime. But then so are militias. I can see Cr1 and KR being a member of either one or both. DHS monitors organized crime I think.

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I'm not seeing motorcycle club/gang involvement w/either of them, especially not one percenter gangs. If either of them had been in a club, the club would have most likely ridden in their funeral processions. We didn't see any sign of a club at the funerals. I think KR just enjoyed riding and he, and maybe some other family members, went to events on occasion.

 

[Tiff23fr]

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I'm not seeing motorcycle club/gang involvement w/either of them, especially not one percenter gangs. If either of them had been in a club, the club would have most likely ridden in their funeral processions. We didn't see any sign of a club at the funerals. I think KR just enjoyed riding and he, and maybe some other family members, went to events on occasion.

There were several in the processions and you can see some in the photos here if you scroll through. I don't know how to tell the difference between various motorcycle gangs other than vests. If any of those present were "outlaws" I doubt they wore that vest to the funeral.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mourned-cops-remain-silent-progress-case.html

 

[Ann99]

I hope this question isn't against TOS, but, I've searched, and not been able to find how GR's niece (I'm pretty sure she's his niece), ADR, passed. She was only 20. Does anyone know? She lived only a 1/2 hour from Piketon.

Dont know if against tos. Pls delete if improper.

Iirc, It was some kind of vehicle accident. I don't know or remember if she was a passenger or a pedestrian. This was from a news article.

 

[rsd1200]

There were several in the processions and you can see some in the photos here if you scroll through. I don't know how to tell the difference between various motorcycle gangs other than vests. If any of those present were "outlaws" I doubt they wore that vest to the funeral.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mourned-cops-remain-silent-progress-case.html

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Those pictured w/vests are the Red Knights. They're firefighters/riders and do a lot of charity work. Not one percenters. If you ride, chances are that a few folks will show up on bikes, to your funeral. We have shown up on ours, for other riders, who've passed. If the deceased is a member of a club, you will see the club ride w/colors, and sometimes flags on the backs of the bikes, and the entire club will usually turn out. It's a truly awesome sight. I think KR enjoyed riding, and from what I gather, some of them may have gone to the annual Chillicothe Rodeo, (big shindig, lots of fun), but I just don't see biker "gang" involvement. I've been wrong before though.

 

[rsd1200]

Dont know if against tos. Pls delete if improper.

Iirc, It was some kind of vehicle accident. I don't know or remember if she was a passenger or a pedestrian. This was from a news article.

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I have scoured the internet for a news article and cannot find one. Only that she passed. You don't happen to remember where you saw it, do you? Thanks!

 

[Damarna]

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I have scoured the internet for a news article and cannot find one. Only that she passed. You don't happen to remember where you saw it, do you? Thanks!

Well this is nerve wracking because I recall seeing/hearing it was a car accident but I'll be darned if I can find any info now!

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I thought I might throw this out there as a solution on how they got past the dogs and did not awaken anyone. This kind of ties into the open windows on some of the trailers. Of course this would have shown up in the toxicology reports which were heavily redacted. I would think this drug would be easily obtained by anyone owning cattle or other animals.
This could also tie into the couple in KY who had older children in the house.

In a Mennonite community in Bolivia, eight men were convicted of raping 130 women in Manitoba Colony over a four-year period from 2005 to 2009, by spraying "a chemical used to anesthetize cows" through the victims' open bedroom windows. The perpetrators would then wait for the women to be incapacitated, whereupon they entered the residences to commit the crimes. Most did not remember the attacks, although a few had vague, fleeting memories of men on top of them. While additional actors were thought to have participated, they were never identified nor prosecuted; in fact, the rapes did not stop with the incarceration of the original eight men.[SUP][1][/SUP]

 

[CIA Team Member]

http://www.thetimestribune.com/news...cle_15b70526-6a98-53e5-896d-9431d98d952a.html

http://www.rogerwdavisfuneralhome.com/notices/Trista-Weisel

 

[rsd1200]

I thought I might throw this out there as a solution on how they got past the dogs and did not awaken anyone. This kind of ties into the open windows on some of the trailers. Of course this would have shown up in the toxicology reports which were heavily redacted. I would think this drug would be easily obtained by anyone owning cattle or other animals.
This could also tie into the couple in KY who had older children in the house.

In a Mennonite community in Bolivia, eight men were convicted of raping 130 women in Manitoba Colony over a four-year period from 2005 to 2009, by spraying "a chemical used to anesthetize cows" through the victims' open bedroom windows. The perpetrators would then wait for the women to be incapacitated, whereupon they entered the residences to commit the crimes. Most did not remember the attacks, although a few had vague, fleeting memories of men on top of them. While additional actors were thought to have participated, they were never identified nor prosecuted; in fact, the rapes did not stop with the incarceration of the original eight men.[SUP][1][/SUP]

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Interesting theory, however, there was a veterinarian, in that case, who broke the chemical down into a spray. There is nothing that I'm aware of, available to the general public, that we could use as a spray, to knock out a horse or cow. I've used a fast acting tranquilizer, (on horses), but it's injected. Buying (or possibly making) chloroform would probably be the layman's best bet. I think the windows left open may have been for stage dressing though. To make it appear that they were either not let it, or didn't have a key of their own.