OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #23

[Bootsctr]

Should we understand here that K*** is possibly requesting custody ?

No. I did not mean to infer that at all. Nor that the father or his family is seeking such either.

I believe KR has survivor's guilt.

“Somehow God intervened because he knew one of us had to be here and why he chose me to be here, I don’t know and I don’t feel like that it was right because Hanna had so much. Those two little girls. They have to grow up without their mom now. So, every day I feel guilt,” K***** said.

http://www.fox19.com/story/33440020/kendra-rhoden-i-could-have-been-the-9th-pike-county-victim

 

[rsd1200]

And one more thing (not trying to snarky, but serious). What makes anyone think there might have been or could be a 9th and 10th victim? As opposed to a 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, etc. victim. I'm sure it was just "a way of saying" that there could have been more victims, but, I guess sometimes I look too hard at too many details.

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I think that this has just become a figure of speech. Reader has spoken of victims 9 & 10, and DS has called himself a potential victim #9 had he spent the night, and I think one of the others have called themselves #9 if they'd spent the night, so, with me, I've just used the term to denote the potential of more victims, not really a specific number of them. Hope that makes sense. :thinking:

 

[rsd1200]

Thanks for highlighting the part about the bible and the godmother claim. I wonder who HR chose as godfather ? KR2 's boyfriend ?

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Girls do this a lot, w/close girlfriends, relatives, and not even name a guy most times. It's just kind of a special kind of thing. No legality. She may have named a guy, but I'd not be surprised if she hadn't.

Edit: It's done more formally in the Catholic religion. IANAC, personally, so I'm unsure if it's still practiced regularly, but, the Rhodens, and HG, were not Catholic (at least I see no indication that they were).

 

[Canaille]

Letters by DR and CRsr? Could please refresh my memory

Oh boy... now I need to try to find the link. I think it was with one of the newspapers special edition on the murders. There was a small photo of the two letters written by DR and CSsr. Let me see if I can find it.

 

[jk204]

No. I did not mean to infer that at all. Nor that the father or his family is seeking such either.

I believe KR has survivor's guilt.



http://www.fox19.com/story/33440020/kendra-rhoden-i-could-have-been-the-9th-pike-county-victim

It's legitimate to feel survivors guilt. I think it's a really interesting quote. It also reminds me of that comment AG Dewine made in an interview. When he stressed how the child would grow without a mother

 

[jk204]

Oh boy... now I need to try to find the link. I think it was with one of the newspapers special edition on the murders. There was a small photo of the two letters written by DR and CSsr. Let me see if I can find it.

Probably the article by Chris Graves - Death in the Foothill. It almost felt like she was writing à book on the case. But I think her articles on this case will become less frequent now. JMO.

 

[jk204]

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Girls do this a lot, w/close girlfriends, relatives, and not even name a guy most times. It's just kind of a special kind of thing. No legality. She may have named a guy, but I'd not be surprised if she hadn't.

Ok thanks. Maybe it's just a cultural difference, I am reading too much into it. In my neighborhood, girls are not opening the bible very often.

 

[rsd1200]

Oh boy... now I need to try to find the link. I think it was with one of the newspapers special edition on the murders. There was a small photo of the two letters written by DR and CSsr. Let me see if I can find it.

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I've seen them. Unsure who authored them though. I'll look. It's been awhile back.

 

[rsd1200]

Had this tucked away, so brought it forward for Canaille.

The charges were originally brought against him in 1991. She recanted, but then testified in court against him. The story paints a history of the Rhodens. There's a photo of a letter written by CR1, in 1998. Also, it states, that the victim wrote in support of allowing Clarence to be released to repair division in the family (in 2002).


http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/10/15/pike-county-death-foothills/91496698/

 

[Obiwankenobi]

Clarence was charged w/five counts of a 3rd degree felony, of:
2907.03 Sexual battery: sexual conduct with another person aged thirteen or older AND knowingly coercing someone to submit by any means that would preventresistance by someone of ordinary resolution; OR knowing that someone's ability to appraise the nature of or control theirown conduct is substantially impaired; OR knowing that someone submits because the other person is unawarethat the act is being committed; OR knowing that someone submits because the other person mistakenlyidentifies the offender as the other person's spouse; OR offender has authority over someone (e.g. offender is a parent/guardian,has institutional authority, is a teacher, cleric, etc . . . )

When I read these descriptions, I immediately think of someone who may or may not had been a minor and could have possibly consented but may had been under the influence! Hmmmm! I have a few theories on who. However, this man was released several years ago. Why would perps wait so long?

 

[Canaille]

Had this tucked away, so brought it forward for Canaille.

The charges were originally brought against him in 1991. She recanted, but then testified in court against him. The story paints a history of the Rhodens. There's a photo of a letter written by CR1, in 1998. Also, it states, that the victim wrote in support of allowing Clarence to be released to repair division in the family (in 2002).


http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/10/15/pike-county-death-foothills/91496698/

Thank You!!!!!

 

[Canaille]

When I read these descriptions, I immediately think of someone who may or may not had been a minor and could have possibly consented but may had been under the influence! Hmmmm! I have a few theories on who. However, this man was released several years ago. Why would perps wait so long?

I don't necessarily think the perps waited long. In my opinion, my theory, etc. is that this was done to save the children. It's my belief from reading things long before this crime that abuse tends to run through families. So, my main theory is that it was not committed by a victim, although it's definitely possible.

 

[rsd1200]

Ok thanks. Maybe it's just a cultural difference, I am reading too much into it. In my neighborhood, girls are not opening the bible very often.

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In our region, births and deaths and such are recorded in the "family" Bible many times. (I have such a Bible that's been handed down.) That's not really an indication that it's being read, although she may have been a regular reader. I did notice, though, that someone from Howard United Methodist had reached out to HR, on her FB, back in 2015, and she'd said she'd try to come the following Sunday.

 

[glf]

Donald stated he stated he stayed at his girlfriend's house.

 

[rsd1200]

I don't necessarily think the perps waited long. In my opinion, my theory, etc. is that this was done to save the children. It's my belief from reading things long before this crime that abuse tends to run through families. So, my main theory is that it was not committed by a victim, although it's definitely possible.

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Whatever happened, happened five times. The charges were brought in '91, but it says he was indicted, tried, and found guilty, in one day. He was admitted to prison 4/07/98. He was given 10 years, then the victim writes a letter wanting his release, to repair the family, in 2002. He was released in 2002. He died 4/22/2016. We know the family split. We know from his obit, that BJM and her kids were highly thought of by Clarence, and from the obit, GSR is even referred to as his wife (was that for appearances, an accident, or did they reconcile but never remarry). I don't think that the family fully recovered from the split. How that figures into the murders, I don't know if it does or not, but I do know that mountain justice still occurs. So if people hid something, if it continued through generations, who knows?

 

[glf]

I believe Clarence died in '08. These murders happened 4/22/16.

 

[rsd1200]

Donald stated he stated he stayed at his girlfriend's house.

Do you have a link for that? I remember reading it on here a couple of times, but I don't think I've read it stated from her anywhere. I'm not a super trusting person. I really want to hear Reader say (or read a quote) that DS's alibi panned out.

 

[glf]

Will see what I can find. I believe D said that during an interview after he discovered Kenny had been killed also.

 

[rsd1200]

I believe Clarence died in '08. These murders happened 4/22/16.

Thanks. I had to re-read your comment and my comment a couple of times to figure out what you meant. My brain gets scrambled with this large family sometimes. I didn't see my error at first. :facepalm:

 

[amauet1]

IIRC, Kendra was talking about Hanna's bible and not the "family bible" that TR was talking about. Why did he wait until after the murders to go looking for that bible? My guess is that Clarence left it in the care of CRsr and KR. We know that the family divided over the "Clarence" incident. IMO Clarence left property to CRsr for his help in getting him out of prison, being on his side, and for helping to take care of him when he got out. Geneva would want that bible back, she is the family matriarch. I am in my family and I have all the family history and photos. This person who was molested was one of his daughter's I think and when we discussed it before no one wanted to "out her". I don't know for sure if it was his daughter, but remember that he and Geneva also raised her siblings. Could this have happened before to one of them? A family molester usually doesn't just have one victim. It seems that Geneva believed what he was accused of , after all they did divorce. Being a survivor myself, I understand how the family either doesn't want to believe or just turns a blind eye, because they don't know what to do. This is a loved one, a father. It's very hard to hate the person whom you have looked up to and felt safe with, to all of a sudden be afraid of. I carried the secret for a long time before I told my mother. Why? because I was ashamed and thought somehow it was my fault. I only told after my parents divorced and was worried for my little sister. Now saying all that, if someone in my family approached me, and asked me to write a letter to get him out of trouble.......... for the families sake? I'd tell them to go to hell! But as an adult I have dealt with this. It seems that victim of Clarence's hadn't and was talked into that letter. My understanding was it was DR and CRsr who got her to do that.