OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #24

[jk204]

Could this crime be as simple as "feed up"? Could the resentments of this family have started with the devision of the family over the "Clarence" thing. CRsr and KR verses TR and BRsr? One set of brothers siding with their father and the other set siding with their mother?
Remember these are "country people". I was brought up this way. A piece of land was important to have, it showed status and ownership of your own. On that land and in the home, it was your and your families business what happened there. You don't discuss what goes on in your home with "outsiders" and certainly nothing that would bring shame to the family name. This was a great wrong! Pride in the family name was the most important thing to my father!
CRsr and his family and influence on the "victim" got his father released from prison. Loose to do it again, or not getting his "come upins" for the terrible crime he commented. CRsr receiving the "lions" share of the land and buying up more, and him taking up for his father didn't set well with family, friends and neighbors.
Now add that the property looks like a "junk pile", Children are now young adults that are contributing to the mess. Growing and selling pot and maybe something else? Getting in fights, bragging about all they have, "Lording" themselves over these small communities (UHR, Camp Creek Rd, Left Fork Rd, maybe even BBL and Piketon). From what I've read and heard they seemed to have a sense of entitlement around there, that they were "better" than most of their peres. Ruling over the entire road of Union Hill carrying weapons and attitudes with them.
Could the neighbors, friends and family have finally said "enough is enough"? IMO they didn't see an ending of this behavior from this family. Now they have even more property and another place to fill with junk cars, drugs and teenagers partying or dealing drugs and causing more trouble.
IMO, all these people had watched as their neighborhood decline more and more. Maybe to them, these family was the reason for it all. IMO this had been "brewing" for a long time.
Maybe "they" saw the Rhoden family as immoral, trouble makers, with no end in sight or improvement of their bahavior. Others joined in because of their own reason's, but "all" had a common goal. To get rid of the Rhoden's, once and for all.
The babies were left because they were to young to be corruped by the family yet, and maybe to give them a chance to "redem" this branch of the Rhoden family.
Could it have been that simple?
(These are my thoughts and opinions)

(If this is true, it would explain "why" no one is talking. They all know why it was done, and maybe not who did it.)

Great post. I think this is possible.

 

[jk204]

As it brewed, it would have made a background noise. The kind of noise to make last minute change of plans

 

[jk204]

amauet1: What do you mean by "Lording" themselves over these small communities ?

Do you mean spreading and ruling?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Could he be a suspect?

I think at this point it is as Reader said. Everyone is a suspect. That particular person would have a wealth of knowledge about the victims.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

At the risk of throwing this into the realm of "rejected lovers gone wild" IIRC I think it was mentioned in one of the earlier threads that HR may have been involved with IJ. Am I remembering correctly?

It still plays on my mind that 2 or the 3 mothers of his children called LE the day after the murders to say he did it. I know he said it was because they wanted to reward money but I never believed that. Lots of people would want the money but no one else that we know of called to claim the father of their child committed the murders. I think he also stated he was cleared by LE, but Reader or DeWine never stated he was. And how about his friends? Were they all cleared?

Somehow the idea the victims were all connected by where they lived prior to the murders sticks with me.

I know I am seriously addicted to this case but I have got to get to work now.

 

[glf]

I don't remember hearing Hanna was in any way connected with IJ, and I don't believe there would have ever been anything romantic between them. He was too busy building three separate families with three other women! I do think maybe the Rhoden kids, at least Frankie and Hanna may have gone to school with IJ. Other than that, and maybe something could have happened to make them "former friends". So many times, once we get out of school, we grow apart from alot of our classmates and school friends, due to different jobs, college, getting married, or moving away for more opportunity.

 

[tlcya]

I do not recall reading anything to indicate that IJ and HR were ever involved with one another or even knew one another. There was a third prospective father of her child in the mix if I recall correctly but that was not IJ.

I believe that IJ was the one who approached the press to inform that he had been questioned and cleared by LE. LE has never stated anything about IJ one way or the other. All information about IJ being pulled in by LE in regards to this case have come from IJ himself.

LE has stayed mum and declined to comment about any specific POIs or suspects they may have and have only indicated that right now, anyone and everyone is a suspect and that they feel someone or someones know much more than they are sharing.

 

[jk204]

At the risk of throwing this into the realm of "rejected lovers gone wild" IIRC I think it was mentioned in one of the earlier threads that HR may have been involved with IJ. Am I remembering correctly?

It still plays on my mind that 2 or the 3 mothers of his children called LE the day after the murders to say he did it. I know he said it was because they wanted to reward money but I never believed that. Lots of people would want the money but no one else that we know of called to claim the father of their child committed the murders. I think he also stated he was cleared by LE, but Reader or DeWine never stated he was. And how about his friends? Were they all cleared?

Somehow the idea the victims were all connected by where they lived prior to the murders sticks with me.

I know I am seriously addicted to this case but I have got to get to work now.

The rejected lover gone wild scenario is, imo, a relevant scenario among others in this case. If you think it works for the person mentionned, I don't see why it would not for others.

I haven't thought before that KR and HR could have been neighbor for a while. It could explain, if it were the case, that the rejected lover, could have developed animosity with KR.

Again. It's just a speculative theory

 

[amauet1]

amauet1: What do you mean by "Lording" themselves over these small communities ?

Do you mean spreading and ruling?

It's an old phrase meaning they felt they were " In charge" of what went on around there. Above it all , and judge and jury of other people they considered "lower than them". In mind, and money.
I think this mostly of the young adults from what I've read and heard.

 

[glf]

The rejected lover gone wild scenario is, imo, a relevant scenario among others in this case. If you think it works for the person mentionned, I don't see why it would not for others.

I haven't thought before that KR and HR could have been neighbor for a while. It could explain, if it were the case, that the rejected lover, could have developed animosity with KR.

Again. It's just a speculative theory

WHAT?!! I'm so confused...:worms::gasp:

 

[amauet1]

Ok I got some questions. There were a lot of people there that night that decided not to stay with the Rhodens and even though we have "heard or read" why. I just don't believe all of it.

Jake Wagner : picked up his and HR's daughter at 10:30 pm. Night of 4-21-16.
Chelsea Robinson: dropped of her and Frankie's son (don't know arrival time) left at 10:30 pm. Night of 4-21-16.
(Hmmm.... wonder if they passed each other?)
Kendra Rhoden and Bf: She was following HR home from a doctor's appt. I think. Bf gets a "toothache and a babysitting job comes up suddenly " They turn around and go back home or to babysitting job.
M Gilly: was going to spend night with HHG or HR (can't remember which) has a bag packed drives right by UHR. Changed her mind was to tired or ?
Donald Stone : was supposed to stay the night with KR and help him fix cars or go to car auctions? But decided to do something else instead.
Tony Rhoden: talked to CRsr that night (time?) about fixing a faucet at DR's the next day and would see him at work.
The Manley family : IMO knew pretty much what went on in all the Rhoden homes. Either being told themselves or relating gossip to each other. Lived very close to each other, helped each other, CLOSE. So close that this family is the ones to find the victims.

Now I understand Reader's statement about people not telling the truth of what they know.
These are only my opinions.

 

[Canaille]

Ok I got some questions. There were a lot of people there that night that decided not to stay with the Rhodens and even though we have "heard or read" why. I just don't believe all of it.

Jake Wagner : picked up his and HR's daughter at 10:30 pm. Night of 4-21-16.
Chelsea Robinson: dropped of her and Frankie's son (don't know arrival time) left at 10:30 pm. Night of 4-21-16.
(Hmmm.... wonder if they passed each other?)
Kendra Rhoden and Bf: She was following HR home from a doctor's appt. I think. Bf gets a "toothache and a babysitting job comes up suddenly " They turn around and go back home or to babysitting job.
M Gilly: was going to spend night with HHG or HR (can't remember which) has a bag packed drives right by UHR. Changed her mind was to tired or ?
Donald Stone : was supposed to stay the night with KR and help him fix cars or go to car auctions? But decided to do something else instead.
Tony Rhoden: talked to CRsr that night (time?) about fixing a faucet at DR's the next day and would see him at work.
The Manley family : IMO knew pretty much what went on in all the Rhoden homes. Either being told themselves or relating gossip to each other. Lived very close to each other, helped each other, CLOSE. So close that this family is the ones to find the victims.

Now I understand Reader's statement about people not telling the truth of what they know.
These are only my opinions.

Hard for me to imagine the two parents leaving a child and a newborn if they knew or suspected something going down that night. Especially if JW thought he could possibly be the father of the newborn....

 

[rsd1200]

It's an old phrase meaning they felt they were " In charge" of what went on around there. Above it all , and judge and jury of other people they considered "lower than them". In mind, and money.
I think this mostly of the young adults from what I've read and heard.

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The incident when they blocked off the road would be something that I'd call them "lording over the area". Another would be where they went to that fella's house and beat him up just because of something he'd said at the demo derby.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I do not recall reading anything to indicate that IJ and HR were ever involved with one another or even knew one another. There was a third prospective father of her child in the mix if I recall correctly but that was not IJ.

I believe that IJ was the one who approached the press to inform that he had been questioned and cleared by LE. LE has never stated anything about IJ one way or the other. All information about IJ being pulled in by LE in regards to this case have come from IJ himself.

LE has stayed mum and declined to comment about any specific POIs or suspects they may have and have only indicated that right now, anyone and everyone is a suspect and that they feel someone or someones know much more than they are sharing.

What a day!

Thank you ticya and glf. It was probably that third father possibility I was thinking of. I knew I might not be remembering correctly.

I still think it worth noting that IJ said 2 of the 3 mothers of his children called LE to say he did it.

Also was it ever in MSM why IJ was on UHR when the incident between him and the Rhodens occurred?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

The rejected lover gone wild scenario is, imo, a relevant scenario among others in this case. If you think it works for the person mentionned, I don't see why it would not for others.

I haven't thought before that KR and HR could have been neighbor for a while. It could explain, if it were the case, that the rejected lover, could have developed animosity with KR.

Again. It's just a speculative theory

I agree.

 

[rsd1200]

Could this crime be as simple as "feed up"? Could the resentments of this family have started with the devision of the family over the "Clarence" thing. CRsr and KR verses TR and BRsr? One set of brothers siding with their father and the other set siding with their mother?
Remember these are "country people". I was brought up this way. A piece of land was important to have, it showed status and ownership of your own. On that land and in the home, it was your and your families business what happened there. You don't discuss what goes on in your home with "outsiders" and certainly nothing that would bring shame to the family name. This was a great wrong! Pride in the family name was the most important thing to my father!
CRsr and his family and influence on the "victim" got his father released from prison. Loose to do it again, or not getting his "come upins" for the terrible crime he commented. CRsr receiving the "lions" share of the land and buying up more, and him taking up for his father didn't set well with family, friends and neighbors.
Now add that the property looks like a "junk pile", Children are now young adults that are contributing to the mess. Growing and selling pot and maybe something else? Getting in fights, bragging about all they have, "Lording" themselves over these small communities (UHR, Camp Creek Rd, Left Fork Rd, maybe even BBL and Piketon). From what I've read and heard they seemed to have a sense of entitlement around there, that they were "better" than most of their peres. Ruling over the entire road of Union Hill carrying weapons and attitudes with them.
Could the neighbors, friends and family have finally said "enough is enough"? IMO they didn't see an ending of this behavior from this family. Now they have even more property and another place to fill with junk cars, drugs and teenagers partying or dealing drugs and causing more trouble.
IMO, all these people had watched as their neighborhood decline more and more. Maybe to them, these family was the reason for it all. IMO this had been "brewing" for a long time.
Maybe "they" saw the Rhoden family as immoral, trouble makers, with no end in sight or improvement of their bahavior. Others joined in because of their own reason's, but "all" had a common goal. To get rid of the Rhoden's, once and for all.
The babies were left because they were to young to be corruped by the family yet, and maybe to give them a chance to "redem" this branch of the Rhoden family.
Could it have been that simple?
(These are my thoughts and opinions)

(If this is true, it would explain "why" no one is talking. They all know why it was done, and maybe not who did it.)

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I think the fella who lived next to LM, and his gruff comment to the reporter that day (I can't recall specific wording), showed how fed up he was.

And spot on about the land and what goes on in the family stays in the family. Possibly a very close, trusted, family friend might be told something but that would be about it, and not even sure about that.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I don't remember hearing Hanna was in any way connected with IJ, and I don't believe there would have ever been anything romantic between them. He was too busy building three separate families with three other women! I do think maybe the Rhoden kids, at least Frankie and Hanna may have gone to school with IJ. Other than that, and maybe something could have happened to make them "former friends". So many times, once we get out of school, we grow apart from alot of our classmates and school friends, due to different jobs, college, getting married, or moving away for more opportunity.

I wonder if he also went to school with BR?

 

[rsd1200]

In my house any incident would be cussed and discussed at length. Me or hubby talks to our son and all grandkids every day. Sometimes five times a day. It's like "hi Nana, I know I live in a different state but I just called to tell you I am going three blocks down the street to Walmart". Hubby spends hours on the phone with our son every day discussing everything from the price of gasoline to politics to sports. My DIL calls to tell me if someone says hello to her in the store. My siblings call to tell me what the Vet said. And what their kids said. And what their kids neighbors said. You get the idea. But I know that there are some families that are not as close. Some are downright secretive.

I don't think that is the case with the Rhodens though. I think if any incident occurred DR shared with her family and CR1 shared with his.

IIRC I think BR stated early in some interview that he was not home the night of the murders.

By the way does anyone recall why IJ was on UHR and what that incident was about? I don't have time to look for it. Also the incident involving CR2 and the woman. Those are two fairly serious incidents that occurred shortly before the murders and were discussed with other family members since LM knew about them.

Do we know if IJ or any of his friends were friends with any of the victims or any other family members? Had he or any of his friends ever been in the homes? Was BR friends with him?

We pretty much know the woman involved in the incident with CR2 had probably been in the homes since she was extended family.

BBM.
That's us. Just not outside the family so much though. I do have one kid who puts his entire life on view to the world, though. The whole family is bumfuzzled by it. He's always lived his life out loud though. No filter. There's one in every family though and mine is ours! :tantrum: lol So, I'd guess, that as much as the younger Rhodens shared on FB, that at least one or two shared more outside the home than their parent's generation did. Someone has to know something. Maybe they don't know that they know though.

 

[gorillla]

More specifically regarding the Children Services proceedings:

*http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...scoff-pike-county-sheriffs-comments/88507184/

“As the sheriff of this county, I fear if information is released it would put the minor children or their caregivers in grave danger"

*http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/09/01/judge-rhoden-kid-case-remains-closed/89735090/

Pike County Juvenile Court Judge Robert Rosenberger ruled that public access to court hearings and records related to a now five-month girl and 11-month-old boy “could harm the children or their custodians.”

"The Court does not believe that threat of harm has diminished with the passage of time,'' Rosenberg wrote.

See also TR interview about the gag order. No one can tell where are the children.

I would interpret in the following manner his concerns with respect to the scenarios I described:

Scenario A) Having the children

If the children are not going with the right custodians, the custodians could be in danger

Scenario B) Saving the children

If the children are not going to custodians with the right moral standards then the custodians could be in danger.

Or C) in the alternative scenario of a deep rooted and active family feud.

If the children are going with the wrong custodians then custodians are in danger.

In my opinion, any of the other motives discussed, would not justify the court decision: drug trade, revenge for a CR crime, messed with the wrong person, narced....

Very good point. But I think this gag order has less to do with protecting the kids and potential caregivers than it does with sealing the testimony that was given during the hearings.

I'll bet there are several things that were brought up in testimony that could possibly indicate motive, something the family was involved with, etc...

Just like the redacted autopsy reports, there are probably some indirect clues in the testimony that could lead the public and MSM down the same rabbit hole that LE is in.

Regardless, and unfortunately for us Websleuthers, LE had done a tremendous job of keeping things hush hush.


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[rsd1200]

Very good point. But I think this gag order has less to do with protecting the kids and potential caregivers than it does with sealing the testimony that was given during the hearings.

I'll bet there are several things that were brought up in testimony that could possibly indicate motive, something the family was involved with, etc...

Just like the redacted autopsy reports, there are probably some indirect clues in the testimony that could lead the public and MSM down the same rabbit hole that LE is in.

Regardless, and unfortunately for us Websleuthers, LE had done a tremendous job of keeping things hush hush.


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I tend to agree. However, it still doesn't account for why they've not allowed the kids to go with a bio parent or family member. It does not take that long for dna tests to come back re; who is the bio dad. Them not giving them to bio parents/family makes me feel that there's some sort of internal strife within the family that could be detrimental to the children.