OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #24

[rsd1200]

On 2/29/16 a not-guilty plea was entered and a pre-trial date was set for 3/14/16. It looks she FTS on the 14th, 4/04, and 4/16, then a warrant was issued, and on the 19th the trial was set for 4/20.

Idk, the dates line up, but it's road rage vs. a mad mother. I'd see the two females to be more likely to just get into a knock down, drag out, in front of the courthouse.

 

[amauet1]

This is JMO, and/or gut feelings, but I can't get over that these murders were "personal" and not about business. ( I could be wrong and have been before).
Some things that make me lean this way are:
Covering Chris Sr. with a sheet. They beat him, shot him and who knows what? But someone couldn't look at him after that. To me, that's a sign of remorse (small, but still there) someone wasn't as cold-blooded as the others.
Another reason I feel this way is the babies were left alive.
IMO, CRsr and Dana, fought like hell to save their family. The killers knew they would, that suggests to me that someone knew them personally.
The number of shots to HHG ? That to me was personal to. I'm an outsider, looking at her as a young, caring, mother. A little nieve, not very mature due to her age and upbringing, didn't even drive a car. Kinda "stuck" at the house and situation she was in. Who? would have that kind of hatred for her?
KR, shot once, sounds like they just wanted him dead and out-of-way as quickly and painlessly as possible. Again, to me; a sign of some kind of caring.
HR is the only one I feel was shot while she slept another sign they were easier on her.
Gr, FR and CRjr, I feel, there was some hatred for them to.
I can't get over that from the beginning, the main reason or plan was the murder of this family.
What do the rest of you think?

Sorry!!! meant to say I feel, there was hatred for GR, FR, and CRjr. Tried to edit it, but it wouldn't let me. I did not know these people and meant no disrespect. Truely.

 

[jk204]

This is JMO, and/or gut feelings, but I can't get over that these murders were "personal" and not about business. ( I could be wrong and have been before).
Some things that make me lean this way are:
Covering Chris Sr. with a sheet. They beat him, shot him and who knows what? But someone couldn't look at him after that. To me, that's a sign of remorse (small, but still there) someone wasn't as cold-blooded as the others.
Another reason I feel this way is the babies were left alive.
IMO, CRsr and Dana, fought like hell to save their family. The killers knew they would, that suggests to me that someone knew them personally.
The number of shots to HHG ? That to me was personal to. I'm an outsider, looking at her as a young, caring, mother. A little nieve, not very mature due to her age and upbringing, didn't even drive a car. Kinda "stuck" at the house and situation she was in. Who? would have that kind of hatred for her?
KR, shot once, sounds like they just wanted him dead and out-of-way as quickly and painlessly as possible. Again, to me; a sign of some kind of caring.
HR is the only one I feel was shot while she slept another sign they were easier on her.
Gr, FR and CRjr, I feel, some hatred for them to.
I can't get over that from the beginning, the main reason or plan was the murder of this family.
What do the rest of you think?

I agree with what you say about HG.

She was not found to be involved in the grow op or in other drug activities. She was at home, couldn't drive herself to get in trouble in town.

She was part of the family. HG was an attractive girl with a baby. I think she was killed just for that and nothing more.

In my opinion, she was not collateral damage. She took 5 bullets lying in bed in the middle of her sleep. Unlike CR, it seems she didn't defend herself or couldn't.

 

[rsd1200]

This is JMO, and/or gut feelings, but I can't get over that these murders were "personal" and not about business. ( I could be wrong and have been before).
Some things that make me lean this way are:
Covering Chris Sr. with a sheet. They beat him, shot him and who knows what? But someone couldn't look at him after that. To me, that's a sign of remorse (small, but still there) someone wasn't as cold-blooded as the others.
Another reason I feel this way is the babies were left alive.
IMO, CRsr and Dana, fought like hell to save their family. The killers knew they would, that suggests to me that someone knew them personally.
The number of shots to HHG ? That to me was personal to. I'm an outsider, looking at her as a young, caring, mother. A little nieve, not very mature due to her age and upbringing, didn't even drive a car. Kinda "stuck" at the house and situation she was in. Who? would have that kind of hatred for her?
KR, shot once, sounds like they just wanted him dead and out-of-way as quickly and painlessly as possible. Again, to me; a sign of some kind of caring.
HR is the only one I feel was shot while she slept another sign they were easier on her.
Gr, FR and CRjr, I feel, some hatred for them to.
I can't get over that from the beginning, the main reason or plan was the murder of this family.
What do the rest of you think?

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I think that CR's wounds were just soft tissue bruising, possibly from trying to grapple for the gun. I see his being shot more times was due to the assailant(s) needing to stop him. They shot him more in center mass. That's what you are taught to do to stop a threat.


They moved on to DR's, because CR1, and his core family, were the main targets. HHG had the misfortune of being there.

GR was probably killed b/c he was around them all of the time and was privy to stuff (or was expendable if he was there).

KR, I have a couple theories but TOS prevents me from sharing one. Both put the assailant(s) in his trailer, w/KR's knowledge, and him being comfortable with the assailant(s) being there, just two different reasons he was murdered. In the one that I can't share, I see him as being killed last, by someone he felt he could trust, really well. The other scenario, he could have been killed at any time, but also by someone he trusted really well.

I'm sure that was all just as clear as mud.

 

[jk204]

A statement from LM, I find interesting.

*http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/ne...rs-abound-pike-county/C0IsdRlVfTcKC38KqqiW7O/

“It’s more like a hate crime than anything,” he said of the barbaric nature of the murders.

Was it intuitive for him to talk about a "hate crime"? I can't help thinking it could be a statement he borrowed from the investigators

“If they asked me what they asked my daughter and my son I’d come across the desk and I’d beat the hell out of one of them,” he said. “They asked them how much someone paid them to kill that family.”

Why the investigators seem to think the Manleys would have received money?

 

[jk204]

Luke Rhoden, whose father was Kenneth, was stoic about whether his family was still in danger. He doubts the killers will come back.

As for whether the killers will be brought to justice: “I think eventually, yeah. But soon? Probably not. If someone knows anything, they’re too scared to come forward.”

*http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/ne...rs-abound-pike-county/C0IsdRlVfTcKC38KqqiW7O/

What do you think of his "stoic" reaction? It's different from LM's. Different man, different reaction.

His mother referred to "family member" in a recent interview. But he seems to think or he demonstrates otherwise.

 

[Hapworth]

Wasn't KR shot just once, through his eye ? That must have some significance, no?

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[jk204]

Wasn't KR shot just once, through his eye ? That must have some significance, no?

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Close range. Look at me?

Which leads me to wonder if they talked.

 

[Elley Mae]

Wasn't KR shot just once, through his eye ? That must have some significance, no?

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bbm, I have only seen that he was shot in the head, no specifics beyond that.

 

[glf]

I of course can't be certain, but anytime there is a murder, anywhere, I'd bet LE looks at the possibility somebody was paid to kill somebody else. Looking at the regions high rate of unemployment, everybody and their brother is struggling financially. So they may automatically think money could have been a motivation to carry out the murders for somebody else. But, I think, at least in my mind, that money would have to be an astronomical amt to sway somebody to kill.

P.S. I think Luke's reaction as appearing to be stoic, is probably just the way he is handling the deaths. He may have shut down on the inside, and just doesn't want to discuss the whole matter, or, he does what I do to keep my emotions under control: push the problem to the side, and leave it there. If you refuse to think about it, it can't bother you.

 

[Canaille]

bbm, I have only seen that he was shot in the head, no specifics beyond that.

I think it was said by DS in one of his interviews.

 

[glf]

It has been talked about in several videos, and/or interviews early on, tho I really know exactly in the threads. Possibly the set of articles and videos, which I believe number up to 14, and when you pull them up, the first person you see is AG Mike.

 

[Elley Mae]

I think it was said by DS in one of his interviews.

IIRC DS said there was blood in his eye, doesn't mean he was shot in the eye.

I saw blood in his eyes, and I knew then he was dead."

http://www.wlwt.com/article/cousin-...ounts-grisly-discovery-at-crime-scene/3565187

Car repairman Donald Stone, 44, told how he found the body of his cousin Kenneth Rhoden lying in bed with a single bullet wound to his head.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-feet-shot-head-reveals-man-horror-scene.html

“I look over and I see Kenneth’s leg on the bed,” he said. “I walk up to the foot of the bed, and I raise my head up and I looked and I seen blood in his eyes, and I knew he was dead.”

http://nbc4i.com/2016/05/05/pike-co...-cousins-body-calling-911-on-day-of-massacre/

 

[Tiff23fr]

It was not clear Friday morning if Rhoden's arrest was connected to the larger homicide investigation. A common police practice is to arrest individuals on unrelated charges to obtain information or assistance in other cases.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...-relative-arrested-drug-trafficking/97130596/


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[jk204]

Kendra Rhoden wonders if the loaded gun her dad kept near his head while he slept was also taken. She also doesn’t understand why her light-sleeping father wasn’t startled awake before he was shot once in the right eye. To her, that indicates he must have known or trusted his killer.

http://www.11alive.com/mb/news/nati...o-hope-3-months-after-8-were-killed/280275607

 

[Tiff23fr]

It was not clear Friday morning if Rhoden's arrest was connected to the larger homicide investigation. A common police practice is to arrest individuals on unrelated charges to obtain information or assistance in other cases.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...-relative-arrested-drug-trafficking/97130596/


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I see the first paragraph was updated 8 minutes ago:

According to Ohio Attorney General's Office spokeswoman Jill Del Greco, information that led to the arrest of Josh Rhoden came during the course of the investigation of the April 22 massacre, but the arrest was not connected to the homicides.

 

[jk204]

IIRC DS said there was blood in his eye, doesn't mean he was shot in the eye.

I saw blood in his eyes, and I knew then he was dead."

http://www.wlwt.com/article/cousin-...ounts-grisly-discovery-at-crime-scene/3565187

Car repairman Donald Stone, 44, told how he found the body of his cousin Kenneth Rhoden lying in bed with a single bullet wound to his head.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-feet-shot-head-reveals-man-horror-scene.html

“I look over and I see Kenneth’s leg on the bed,” he said. “I walk up to the foot of the bed, and I raise my head up and I looked and I seen blood in his eyes, and I knew he was dead.”

http://nbc4i.com/2016/05/05/pike-co...-cousins-body-calling-911-on-day-of-massacre/

See quote from Kendra Rhoden in story "family clings to hope"

 

[Elley Mae]

It was not clear Friday morning if Rhoden's arrest was connected to the larger homicide investigation. A common police practice is to arrest individuals on unrelated charges to obtain information or assistance in other cases.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...-relative-arrested-drug-trafficking/97130596/


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According to Ohio Attorney General's Office spokeswoman Jill Del Greco, information that led to the arrest of Josh Rhoden came during the course of the investigation of the April 22 massacre, but the arrest was not connected to the homicides.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...e-arrested-drug-trafficking-charges/97130596/

bbm

Josh Rhoden is a cousin to the slain family, specifically the son of a cousin of Christopher Rhoden, Sr.

 

[jk204]

Kendra Rhoden wonders if the loaded gun her dad kept near his head while he slept was also taken. She also doesn’t understand why her light-sleeping father wasn’t startled awake before he was shot once in the right eye. To her, that indicates he must have known or trusted his killer.http://www.11alive.com/mb/news/nati...o-hope-3-months-after-8-were-killed/280275607

The question I have is why she shared this info with media? And how did she learn it?

 

[Canaille]

It was not clear Friday morning if Rhoden's arrest was connected to the larger homicide investigation. A common police practice is to arrest individuals on unrelated charges to obtain information or assistance in other cases.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...-relative-arrested-drug-trafficking/97130596/


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Have they already revised the article? I could have sworn it was stated in there that the arrest is not related to the murders and now I don't see it. I must be losing it. Will read word for word again.

Whatever, the paper is considering it breaking news... someone must think there's a link.