OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #29

[Betty P]

Makes you wonder if their not thinking something will happen with the W's. Just speculating.

Seems likely. She knows this case pretty well.

 

[jk204]

I'm pretty sure he was moved out by the time this happened, this was said to have happened, iirc, a 7-10 days or so before the murders. Where the other guy moved to was too far for him to hear anything. If he was there, he's not spoken up. Thus far we've only heard hearsay from the one's who were not there at the time of the fight, unless they're not telling us that they were there at the time of the supposed fight.

Again, i dont have MSM. But my belief was he moved out a week before the drama.

He has not spoken out on this or on anything else

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Makes you wonder if their not thinking something will happen with the W's. Just speculating.

Makes me wonder if we are going to get another interview full of denials from the W's.


It also makes me want to go back to Alaska. :gaah:

 

[Owl4]

Hi all! New to this case. I've been trying to read up on this case for the last 3 days. WOW! is all I can say at the moment with scratching to my head of confusion. 8 people dead, nothing has been found in all the homes they literally took? DNA? Fingerprints? Do you wonder if its more than one persons doing? The dogs were never located? If this was personal where does the "W" family tie into this? Sorry! I'm sure this has been asked before. So sad this case is. Someone(s) had a lot of hatred for this family. I'm from Michigan and just learned of this thread few days back. I never recall seeing it on any news. RIP

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[rsd1200]

There were a few photos of the murder victims' coffins.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rong-place-wrong-time-says-family-friend.html

BJM wasn't the only person who described the crime scene horror. Stone described the horror of finding his cousin KR.

Reading back through today while riding shotgun. I just can't really call D.S. 911 call, nor interviews, emotion filled, descriptions of horror.

He finds KR, then goes traipsing about the property, with another family member, locates a "tray" of pot plants, then says, We better call 911", then WALKS who knows how far to get a signal, with a vehicle sitting there. KR's driveway is around 200' long iirc.

Not accusing him, but he didnt seem too shocked, to me, for another person who could have been #9 had he spent the night as he'd intended.

All of us react differently though, I just doubt I'd wandered around the property after finding my bestie cousin murdered in his camper.

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[RAISINISBACK]

Reading back through today while riding shotgun. I just can't really call D.S. 911 call, nor interviews, emotion filled, descriptions of horror.

He finds KR, then goes traipsing about the property, with another family member, locates a "tray" of pot plants, then says, We better call 911", then WALKS who knows how far to get a signal, with a vehicle sitting there. KR's driveway is around 200' long iirc.

Not accusing him, but he didnt seem too shocked, to me, for another person who could have been #9 had he spent the night as he'd intended.

All of us react differently though, I just doubt I'd wandered around the property after finding my bestie cousin murdered in his camper.

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I think that is what is missing in this case. the horror, the emotion. For some reason I get the feeling it's like "Ok they didn't deserve to die, but they were drug dealers so no harm no foul."

I think Reader and Dewine did that early on when they announced the "commercial grows". The national news dropped it very soon after.

But the thing is, this was a horrendous crime. It is terrifying to think 8 people could be killed in their sleep in their homes in four different locations. It's like some psychopath went crazy one night and slaughtered everyone. It's even more terrifying to know that the monsters that did this are still running loose.

 

[rsd1200]

Again, i dont have MSM. But my belief was he moved out a week before the drama.

He has not spoken out on this or on anything else

The murders, if we are getting truth, (and that is possibly the only thing we are getting the truth about), was not something that was planned in 7-10 days. If it's the guy I'm thinking of, that you're talking about, he was moved out of FRs around the time DR moved, iirc. Iirc. And, as you point out, we've not heard Boo from him.

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[jk204]

The murders, if we are getting truth, (and that is possibly the only thing we are getting the truth about), was not something that was planned in 7-10 days. If it's the guy I'm thinking of, that you're talking about, he was moved out of FRs around the time DR moved, iirc. Iirc. And, as you point out, we've not heard Boo from him.

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Hmmm. So 1 month before, march?

I could be wrong. I think he moved out of one location in march and moved in 5 weeks with FR, then moved out one week before the 22.

Anyway. HR had her boyfriend, CR2 had a girlfriend and there was some traffic of friends at FR. If there was a dispute a week prior, I would think the word spread around quickly.

 

[Dudly]

I think that is what is missing in this case. the horror, the emotion. For some reason I get the feeling it's like "Ok they didn't deserve to die, but they were drug dealers so no harm no foul."

I think Reader and Dewine did that early on when they announced the "commercial grows". The national news dropped it very soon after.

But the thing is, this was a horrendous crime. It is terrifying to think 8 people could be killed in their sleep in their homes in four different locations. It's like some psychopath went crazy one night and slaughtered everyone. It's even more terrifying to know that the monsters that did this are still running loose.

A couple pictures of the murder scenes may have shown how horrendous it was. Leaving everyone with a blank sheet to look at doesn't do much to raise emotions...

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

That was being reported all day today on WLW news. They referred to it as, "Three strikes and you're out."

Ridiculous. I can empathize with the anger from wasting resources on people who continue to do the same dumb thing, but there's no way an EMT, police officer or First Responder can know if someone has been treated 3 times for an overdose unless EMTs, LE, First Responders start "branding" junkies on the forehead with Strike 1 and Strike 2. In addition, rescue personnel will not withhold treatment to dying people. A solution to kill off junkies (what this councilman is hoping for) is to implement a law that only EMTs and ER personnel can administer Narcan. By the time ambulances arrive, many overdosed junkies have expired.

 

[Dudly]

Hmmm. So 1 month before, march?

I could be wrong. I think he moved out of one location in march and moved in 5 weeks with FR, then moved out one week before the 22.

Anyway. HR had her boyfriend, CR2 had a girlfriend and there was some traffic of friends at FR. If there was a dispute a week prior, I would think the word spread around quickly.

No one has said, so and so was there when there was a big confrontation between blank and blank and this happened. It has all been unknown source heard there was a big confrontation.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Yes, all that is true. However, I am here to tell you that EMTs, medics, and other emergency medical professionals discuss things. It's a way to debrief.

Unauthorized viewing and copying medical records leaves an electronic trail. The people who have been fired for HIPAA violations are those who have viewed actual written records without the necessity to do so. Every time you open electronic medical records a trail is left that is traceable by the compliance department.

Employees who violate HIPAA can be put through the disciplinary process. Usually this starts with coaching, then verbal warning, then written warning, and on up the scale if the violations continue, up to and including termination.

Immediate termination can occur with blatant violations, such as sharing information with the media, and copying records to remove from the office.

Fines are only issued to individuals who sell photos or copies of medical records to the National Enquirer or other outlets.

But will a person be fined, or even disciplined, for speaking about something they have seen? No, it doesn't happen.

Yes, it does happen, but it doesn't make the front page of the news.
http://www.healthcarebusinesstech.c...iolation-after-discussing-cop-killer-patient/

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Reading back through today while riding shotgun. I just can't really call D.S. 911 call, nor interviews, emotion filled, descriptions of horror.

He finds KR, then goes traipsing about the property, with another family member, locates a "tray" of pot plants, then says, We better call 911", then WALKS who knows how far to get a signal, with a vehicle sitting there. KR's driveway is around 200' long iirc.

Not accusing him, but he didnt seem too shocked, to me, for another person who could have been #9 had he spent the night as he'd intended.

All of us react differently though, I just doubt I'd wandered around the property after finding my bestie cousin murdered in his camper.

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It wouldn't be shocking to learn that someone who had been severely struggling financially collected some items before calling LE.

 

[WVWoman]

Ridiculous. I can empathize with the anger from wasting resources on people who continue to do the same dumb thing, but there's no way an EMT, police officer or First Responder can know if someone has been treated 3 times for an overdose unless EMTs, LE, First Responders start "branding" junkies on the forehead with Strike 1 and Strike 2. In addition, rescue personnel will not withhold treatment to dying people. A solution to kill off junkies (what this councilman is hoping for) is to implement a law that only EMTs and ER personnel can administer Narcan. By the time ambulances arrive, many overdosed junkies have expired.

I read where it said they would not be dispatched out to the incident. So they wouldn't be making the call to administer.


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[Gunslinging Granny]

Makes me wonder if we are going to get another interview full of denials from the W's.


It also makes me want to go back to Alaska. :gaah:

We'll never know if the male members of the Wagner family are capable of declaring their innocence since Angela is in charge and deferred all new questions to her attorney.

 

[IceIce9]

Yes, it does happen, but it doesn't make the front page of the news.
http://www.healthcarebusinesstech.c...iolation-after-discussing-cop-killer-patient/

I'm not talking about medical personnel posting on Facebook. Of course that isn't very smart.

l'm talking about medics, EMTs, and other emergency medical folks discussing horrific accident scenes and rescues with a family member or close friend. That's just a way of coping.

And it is a common occurrence. No HIPAA fines would result from this type of debriefing.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I'm not talking about medical personnel posting on Facebook. Of course that isn't very smart.

l'm talking about medics, EMTs, and other emergency medical folks discussing horrific accident scenes and rescues with a family member or close friend. That's just a way of coping.

And it is a common occurrence. No HIPAA fines would result from this type of debriefing.

http://www.beckershospitalreview.co...ures-to-keep-your-practice-in-compliance.html

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'm not talking about medical personnel posting on Facebook. Of course that isn't very smart.

l'm talking about medics, EMTs, and other emergency medical folks discussing horrific accident scenes and rescues with a family member or close friend. That's just a way of coping.

And it is a common occurrence. No HIPAA fines would result from this type of debriefing.

Well put. That is exactly what I am talking about. Not one peep from family or friends.

 

[Dudly]

Again, i dont have MSM. But my belief was he moved out a week before the drama.

He has not spoken out on this or on anything else

I think you may be mistaking what MSM means. It is short for Main Stream Media.

 

[Dudly]

It wouldn't be shocking to learn that someone who had been severely struggling financially collected some items before calling LE.

I've wondered about that all along at KR's place....