OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #29

[Renee110]

Honestly, I did not know that he had one of his sons was with him. If he was called by BJM to about CR1, why take the kid in the first place?! There are EMTs who have had to respond to family tragedies. It's a very sad, and unfortunate part of the job. My point is not about BJM lying, I've just never read where she stated that she'd called her brother, or anyone else, other than 911, to begin with. I think it's just been an assumption. For some reason LE was curious enough to impound JM's truck and wake BJM up in the middle of the night to re-question her. Do I think that either BJM or JM pulled any triggers? No. Do I think they may have unknowingly or knowingly provided information that they realized, much too late, that they shouldn't have provided? Very possible.

Edit: I think you may have misunderstood. Let me re-phrase. I'd meant that I'd heard that one of the Ms was an EMT and may have called the relatives, hence JM showing up and some others getting through the perimeter, and others not, b/c of that family member hearing, or being called out, to the site of the murders. I don't know if they are allowed to make those calls to alert family though. It was just a thought.

This newslink has not been opening very well for me lately but it may open for others:
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/11/pike-county-not-leaving-those-babies-there/84194756/

BBM: I just had a thought this afternoon when I was visiting my friend who is a truck driver, and her boyfriend also drives dump truck. They have a police scanner at home and listen to it and believe you me they know what is going on before anyone does. Could be possible that some people heard about the call on that!!

 

[Renee110]

This is true. However, SK novels are weird, and this is weird. It kinda reminds me of his "Under The Dome" though. Nothing was making it outside of that town. It's like a dome has descended over Piketon, and only certain persons are permitted to speak of the Rhoden murders, and other folk's voices are filtered out by the The Dome. Only the chosen one's voices make it through the filter of The Dome.

I LOVE SK.... have re-read so many of my fave's of his. I like your Dome comparison, I read that one once and while I like the earlier books, you are right, it's like that town is in a world on it's own and we outsider's aren't privy.

 

[Renee110]

That must be a pretty common practice... one of my good friends went thru EMS training before going to school to become a physician's assistant. She wanted experience with emergency situations before she applied. I doubt if there's a better suited profession to give one that kind of experience (aside from working in an ER or trauma center). I definitely couldn't do it. EMTs are real life superheroes, if you ask me.


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Travis was actually a firefighter first, then became EMT, then Paramedic. You top out at paramedic as there is no higher position than that. He wanted more, so he went back to school for nursing and then decided on PN. LOL. Who knows, he may be a doctor before it's all over with. As for the paramedic job he told me that you have to distance yourself and don't think of them as human or you will go crazy. I'm not saying he treated people as not human, he said he just said that when he had to pick up body parts or listen to people scream and beg you have to just do your job and not let it affect you. He said the children though, gave him nightmares and was very hard to deal with and stay calm. I can't even imagine.

 

[Renee110]

EMS and first responders cannot discuss what they witnessed with patients without breaking federal laws on confidentiality. Federal confidentiality rules begin with the patient's conception and extend beyond their death. There are very expensive penalties for violating HIPAA.

HIPAA Violation Penalty Structure

Each category of violation carries a separate HIPAA penalty. It is up to the discretion of the OCR to determine a financial penalty within the appropriate range. The OCR considers a number of factors when determining penalties, such as the length of time a violation was allowed to persist, the number of people affected and the nature of the data exposed. An organization´s willingness to assist with an OCR investigation is also taken into account.
The general factors that can affect the level of financial penalty also include prior history, the organization’s financial condition and the level of harm caused by the violation. These factors could decrease or increase the financial penalty issued.

• Category 1: Minimum fine of $100 per violation up to $50,000
• Category 2: Minimum fine of $1,000 per violation up to $50,000
• Category 3: Minimum fine of $10,000 per violation up to $50,000
• Category 4: Minimum fine of $50,000 per violation
• http://www.hipaajournal.com/what-are-the-penalties-for-hipaa-violations-7096/

The Pathologist is subject to HIIPAA rules as well as the morgue technicians. Gossiping about the victims and then being fined $50,000 is just not worth it.

You are correct. I don't think any first responders called friends or family to tell them what they saw. I think some people have scanners and heard it or already somehow had a heads up.

My best friend's husband is a doctor and he told me a doctor joke the other day.

Knock Knock
Who's there?
HIPPA
HIPPA who?
I can't tell you.

 

[Renee110]

That was being reported all day today on WLW news. They referred to it as, "Three strikes and you're out."

Well then the drug users won't have to worry, because that three strikes you're out doesn't get applied to felons like it's supposed to....

 

[Renee110]

That is in Hamilton, Ohio. He says revive them with Narcan twice with a chance to get rehabilitated. If called a third time, they don't get Narcan. If I remember right they are on line to spend $100,000 on Narcan this year.
In a similar story, Dayton, Ohio has revived a guy with Narcan 20 times....
T

BBM

You know, there comes a time....

 

[Renee110]

Politicians practicing medicine without a license again. He'll probably be unable to find any health care professionals to go along with that, unless the patient has signed a DNR order.

It's not the Politicians practicing medicine that I'm worried about...it's the insurance people. I was hospitalized several years ago with cellulitis in my face and I was told if I waited just one more day I would have died. I was in the hospital for 4 days receiving antibiotics thru IV that were only available thru IV. My two friends who are nurses and visited me were shocked at the amount of antibiotics I was getting. Insurance refused to pay beyond a 23 hour observation period. Said They should have sent me home with an IV pole and taught to change my bags. Stuck me with thousands in bills. Sorry to hijack thread but still smarts.

 

[Renee110]

In private, in the judge's chambers. That was when the supreme court justices reviewed the unredacted autopsy reports themselves to see if there was a reason to keep them from news media access, as required by law.

I guess two of the justices said "there's no reason to keep these AR's hidden", so they temporarily replaced them with two other lackeys for this case. Wonder which judges they replaced?

I still have to laugh when I see Justice Maureen O'Connor's name signed to anything. Remember the time she got pulled over for speeding by the Ohio Highway Patrol and decided to crash her car into theirs? That was back when she was Lt Gov.

No words or comments. Just WHAAAT?

 

[Renee110]

BBM

It is my pleasure to meet you Renee. I greatly enjoy reading your posts. I agree with what you are saying, the media seem to be backing up on this whole thing. And we have yet to hear another word on the autopsy reports.

Pleasure to meet you too. I think we are just one state away. We should have lunch. And don't get me started on the Media.

 

[rsd1200]

Again, i dont have MSM. But my belief was he moved out a week before the drama.

He has not spoken out on this or on anything else

This is not meant to be disrespectful in any way toward the deceased, but this family's life was drama filled (I know the feeling and I've shut that stuff down, as much as possible. It ain't no fun and I refuse to die early from stress.).

I feel bad for DR. It seems she loved her family dearly but it also seemed that there was some sort of drama all of the time. Look at how many things were going on with this family within 14 days of the murder.

If anyone next door had heard any of this at CR1's, the way this family was so close-knit, they'd have likely run to CR1's, and descended upon the interloper with baseball bats, imo. I base this upon the fact that they did try to yank a dude out of his car and were armed w/baseball bats, firearm(s), and were ready to rock and roll (I don't think we truly know what the reason for that was either.). They descended upon a man, at his own home and knocked his teeth out over words spoken at a derby, to one of the Rs. If they'd heard this going on next door, or heard about this period, I feel that they'd have come loaded for bear. Just my feelings. However, maybe they'd been in a mellow mood and decided to let the interloper slide. I just don't see them sitting idly by waiting to take a beating or a shooting though. To me, all through this, I've felt that these folks were completely blindsided.

I can't prove when he completely moved his stuff out and was gone for good, but, if this fella was there at FR's, it's at least 300' from CR1's porch to FR's porch. I'm guessing the argument would have taken place inside CR1's trailer. Again, my closest neighbor is, give or take, around 300' from my front porch to theirs (I got curious and measured). I could not tell you what goes on inside their home, or if the screams that I hear outside, are sounds of grandkids playing, or if someone is being murdered, or beaten to death, and tend to keep my business to myself. If they need me they call. If I see anything odd around their place I call, they do the same for me. Not that we can even see that well. We just try to take note of odd cars idling around, etc...

 

[Dudly]

It's not the Politicians practicing medicine that I'm worried about...it's the insurance people. I was hospitalized several years ago with cellulitis in my face and I was told if I waited just one more day I would have died. I was in the hospital for 4 days receiving antibiotics thru IV that were only available thru IV. My two friends who are nurses and visited me were shocked at the amount of antibiotics I was getting. Insurance refused to pay beyond a 23 hour observation period. Said They should have sent me home with an IV pole and taught to change my bags. Stuck me with thousands in bills. Sorry to hijack thread but still smarts.

know someone who got in a mess like that. They got a staph infection in a hospital. The insurance only covered so many days so they had to discharge them or they had to pay the daily costs. After being discharged they had to go in as an outpatient for IV antibiotics everyday for a month. Then the insurance company refused to pay for that because they didn't cover prescription meds. It cost them about $30 grand out of pocket.
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[Jleeryan99]

Off topic but interesting, so far tonight in Ashland, KY (right up the river from the Scioto/Pike area) there's been 9 heroin overdoses with 1 confirmed death. It could be the holiday weekend getting started, or it could be the hot shots from the gangs maybe missing their mark slightly or Southern Ohio just hasn't reported in yet.

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Deadly-heroin-batch-reported-in-Ashland-Ky-431894753.html

 

[Jleeryan99]

I've worked in health care for the past 20 years. First as an RN then as a nurse practitioner. Insurance companies really are the ones practicing medicine right now, but when you look at the prices they pay for services its amazing. To me the way to fix healthcare is to bring the cost of things down. A liter of normal saline cost like 44 cents to make, the hospital probably pays $1 for it as the most, then the end cost to the patient and/or insurance company that its administered to is like $700 t0 $800. Even after you pay the salary and benefits to the nurse that administers it, the malpractice insurance and all the other charges incurred this is a way excessive mark up. Hospital Pharmacies generally buy the cheapest of the cheap acetaminophen tablets the charge the patient like $6 for one tablet that's administered to them.

 

[rsd1200]

BBM: I just had a thought this afternoon when I was visiting my friend who is a truck driver, and her boyfriend also drives dump truck. They have a police scanner at home and listen to it and believe you me they know what is going on before anyone does. Could be possible that some people heard about the call on that!!

Yes, anyone who had one of those things would know and could likely get there before, or shortly after, emergency personnel. An individual who I lived with back in the 80s had one of those things. I really disliked the thing, (noise around the clock) but it was back in the 80s and you had to get the crystals. There were crystals, if I'm remembering correctly, (the 80s seem so far away), that you were not supposed to have. However, the individual who had one that I was living with, had them ALL. Lightening struck the pole outside the house and a giant fireball shot through that thing, and out into the middle of the floor, and just melted it into an unrecognizable heap. Sweet silence. I'm sure there are still frequencies and such that you aren't supposed to have access to, but those who are into it, have all access.

 

[rsd1200]

I LOVE SK.... have re-read so many of my fave's of his. I like your Dome comparison, I read that one once and while I like the earlier books, you are right, it's like that town is in a world on it's own and we outsider's aren't privy.

O/T I'm a long time SK fan. One of my favorite newer releases has been Cell (well it's not that new now, but, it really creeped me out. The possibilities! )

 

[rsd1200]

It's not the Politicians practicing medicine that I'm worried about...it's the insurance people. I was hospitalized several years ago with cellulitis in my face and I was told if I waited just one more day I would have died. I was in the hospital for 4 days receiving antibiotics thru IV that were only available thru IV. My two friends who are nurses and visited me were shocked at the amount of antibiotics I was getting. Insurance refused to pay beyond a 23 hour observation period. Said They should have sent me home with an IV pole and taught to change my bags. Stuck me with thousands in bills. Sorry to hijack thread but still smarts.

Sorry you had to go through that. Insurance companies call the shots, not the doctors, and the insurance companies have zero cares to give.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Off topic but interesting, so far tonight in Ashland, KY (right up the river from the Scioto/Pike area) there's been 9 heroin overdoses with 1 confirmed death. It could be the holiday weekend getting started, or it could be the hot shots from the gangs maybe missing their mark slightly or Southern Ohio just hasn't reported in yet.

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Deadly-heroin-batch-reported-in-Ashland-Ky-431894753.html

Their overdose rate for tonight (9 overdoses and 1 death per 22,000 people) is significantly lower than in my area on most days. No Konvicted Family or Mexican gangs selling hot shots exist in my area, yet addicts still overdose and die. I'm personally sick of LE essentially enabling addicts by blaming heroin dealers and even doctors. Addicts cannot become clean until they take complete responsibility for their own addiction. They search out dealers, pay for their bags, cook their heroin, and then inject themselves. Gangs and doctors don't force them to do this.

 

[rsd1200]

Off topic but interesting, so far tonight in Ashland, KY (right up the river from the Scioto/Pike area) there's been 9 heroin overdoses with 1 confirmed death. It could be the holiday weekend getting started, or it could be the hot shots from the gangs maybe missing their mark slightly or Southern Ohio just hasn't reported in yet.

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Deadly-heroin-batch-reported-in-Ashland-Ky-431894753.html

West Virginia holds one of the spots on the top five lists of Heroin overdose deaths, Kentucky, and Ohio are right in the top five too. It's probably just another night in Kentucky.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I've worked in health care for the past 20 years. First as an RN then as a nurse practitioner. Insurance companies really are the ones practicing medicine right now, but when you look at the prices they pay for services its amazing. To me the way to fix healthcare is to bring the cost of things down. A liter of normal saline cost like 44 cents to make, the hospital probably pays $1 for it as the most, then the end cost to the patient and/or insurance company that its administered to is like $700 t0 $800. Even after you pay the salary and benefits to the nurse that administers it, the malpractice insurance and all the other charges incurred this is a way excessive mark up. Hospital Pharmacies generally buy the cheapest of the cheap acetaminophen tablets the charge the patient like $6 for one tablet that's administered to them.

As a NP you should know why hospitals and doctors' office have to charge $6 for a Tylenol. It's because 40% of patients don't pay a dang dime for their health care. (There are some people who are indigent and cannot pay, but there are others who choose not to pay.)

The last time I was at my physician's office paying my bill, the woman beside me at the other receptionist's cubicle was whining about how she couldn't pay her bill $300 bill. She had an $800 iPhone. I don't have an $800 iPhone. I pay my bills and apparently her bill too.

 

[jk204]

I think you may be mistaking what MSM means. It is short for Main Stream Media.

No, I am not mistaken. This is what I meant. I dont believe this person has spoken in mean stream media.