OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #31

[amauet1]

I think it was likely a kit that they put up themselves. I kinda thought they used it to store vehicles they were working on, until they could get them moved over to the other shop, beside CR1's trailer. The long edge of the barn could have been used to store parts out of the weather. From all indications, it seems it had a dirt floor. The long part could have even been used to dry weed. It has to be hung and dried for a period of time.

Wasn't the whole back of that barn left open? The side facing the woods.

 

[amauet1]

So if some believe it has nothing to do with pill mills, drugs, or cars, what does that leave? If RW and CRsr were in business together, what kind of business would cause someone to kill 8 people to protect it?

 

[rsd1200]

"Tim Reagan, head of Cincinnati’s Drug Enforcement Administration office, said he's confident that's not the case. "I think if there was a strong Mexican cartel connection I'd feel more comfortable with telling you,” he said. “I don't see it.""
Was this said before the undercover operation was going on in Middletown or during that time? Was he unaware of that undercover operation was involved with the Mexican Cartel. Did he say that so he wouldn't compromise that operation or just not tell the truth? Middletown is just north of Cinncinnati and I'd think they
would have known of that operation...

This was six months after the murders. I think he'd have to know about the cartel activity, but they didn't have a full blown investigation going on at that point. I'd read it was a year long investigation that just wrapped up recently. If the R's had any connection with them, at all, it would be an easy way out for them to pin cartel involvement on them, as a result of their deaths. I could be very wrong, but, I don't see cartel. Cartel, I don't think, would have wasted extra bullets, and I don't think that the babies would have been spared, nor the dogs. Again, I could be very wrong.

 

[rsd1200]

So if some believe it has nothing to do with pill mills, drugs, or cars, what does that leave? If RW and CRsr were in business together, what kind of business would cause someone to kill 8 people to protect it?

I've been wondering about that for almost two solid years. Every, Single, Day. Sigh... I've got a couple three pet theories, that I've held from early on, but I hate to keep sounding like a broken record.

 

[Flatbush]

I haven't left you all, still here, very much waiting. As I look back on this nightmare a couple things cross my mind. We have an anniversary coming up next month. Will Sheriff Reader make a statement? DeWines campaign is going to start building steam for his bid as governor. We know they were focused on the W's...wonder how they like Alaska...?
It is my opinion with DeWine in particular, this case will NOT go away and certainly is big enough case to bring attention to his "lack" of no arrest, if there isn't one.
I have seen cases where a suspect is arrested on lesser charges, to keep them locked up until bigger charges can be filed.
Pike County is like no other I have ever seen, or ever want to see again. I personally find it inexcusable this much time has passed and the killer(s) of 8 people are still walking free.
I know there are times cases can't be solved, but they had fresh crime scenes, help from BCI, etc. No excuse here, none. They have had 2 years!

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[Dudly]

So if some believe it has nothing to do with pill mills, drugs, or cars, what does that leave? If RW and CRsr were in business together, what kind of business would cause someone to kill 8 people to protect it?

One business that could cause it would be money laundering, I would think. The thought it could get exposed and implicate prominent people, especially...

 

[MizStery]

Somebody (more than 1 or 2 people) had it in for the R's, sort of a collaboration of people who just couldn't stand the R's and wanted them dead. Oh, and for sure I would include some dirty cops too.

I don't see JW as being a main player. Would he keep a secret in order to obtain custody of his daughter? Without blinking an eye, I am sure. Same goes for the G's. I think the road rage incident, the derby car incident, and custody of the children were all motives. I cannot see a PM. Maybe 1 or 2 or more in the M or R family had Rx's for hydros and that they occasionally sold their pills, or maybe there was a nursing home involved with a PM ring. Docs have really toughened up on testing people who are using pain pills and making sure you bring your pills in so they can count them and drug testing urine and blood now that it really doesn't pay to try to sell them any more in my opinion.
<snip>.

The text message from JM to JW is what puzzles me. It is very hard to imagine a brother turning on a sister, and perhaps it was done in an attempt to implicate the Manleys from the beginning - which certainly seems to have worked because LM said that's what LE asked him regarding murdering his own daughter.

I'm with you on the PM. Mostly because, back a few years ago, they started making opiates harder to crush. It's difficult to find the old kind now. Not saying folks don't still get them and use them, but it's a much bigger hassle to get them and they don't sell for as much now. It's more like you said, Granny, or Uncle Joe, might sell a few of theirs to pay the electric bill. If it's got anything to do with drugs, I'd guess Heroin. I do think that FR probably smoked weed, and the other kids too (well maybe not the nursing mothers at that time...), but there was no grow op at FR's, and no signs of trafficking, or there'd have been no burial aid from the state. However, I keep going back to the article from 2016;
This has always led me to believe that it wasn't really about drugs. It seems they found weed and a couple dodgy vehicles, and that was it, but they did find something that was dark.

https://www.wcpo.com/longform/pike-...lers-in-rhoden-family-homicides-may-be-locals

Maybe I am simply not getting 'it'.

Anyhow here goes my theory on the LLP medical clinic that CRsr was listed as operating. I thought the business plan was to have a faux clinic licensed & perhaps a board certified PT or Sport Medicine MD on staff. This gave the illusion of an actual brick and mortar clinic.So you could provide pills in your clinic but since the pills were bootlegged there was not the pesky paper trail of a legitimate Rx script.

I thought early on in the types of pill mill clinics Dr Hill operated that staff were writing legitimate script and all of those clinics were indeed shut down.

I envisioned the LLP clinic avoided all that and simply provided a screen to give legitimacy to the clinic. The actual opioids I always believed were brought in offshore through the various business contacts,politicians,lawyers,out of state business connections(i.e.) Florida.

I am aware through another thread of how many legitimate [FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]pharmaceuticals [/FONT]operate offshore in countries that leave them unregulated.The difficulty is not how to get drugs in the country but how to find the local distributors who have in place a legitimate avenue to laundry the cash.

I believe the LLP was simply laying groundwork for a much larger business that was coming sooner rather than never. If you are shovel ready to hit the pavement moving your inventory then your called a visionary never a predatory creature.These same businessmen that are involved in car and drug LLPs are gearing up for the medical marijuana multimillion dollar opportunities soon to come,

If CRsr ever wanted to simply sever ties with the Feudal Royality then that could be a liability to everyone one on up the chain of command.

I still return to the Feudal Royality who has the infrastructure and networking to be on the leading edge for the next big thing. All the players both local and out of state have too much at stake it's all about honor and secrecy or problem solving and of course collateral damage.

Please criticize and do what you will but be kind.:smile:

:cow:

 

[rsd1200]

One business that could cause it would be money laundering, I would think. The thought it could get exposed and implicate prominent people, especially...

Agree, Dudly. That's where I'm seeing the tie in w/the BBL folks and the other stuff. Used car lots seem to be a "thing" for that, too. CR1 and the others may have known what was happening, and might have even become mules at one time, with those trips to Detroit to pick up vehicles (maybe even unknowingly, for awhile).

 

[Dudly]

Maybe I am simply not getting 'it'.

Anyhow here goes my theory on the LLP medical clinic that CRsr was listed as operating. I thought the business plan was to have a faux clinic licensed & perhaps a board certified PT or Sport Medicine MD on staff. This gave the illusion of an actual brick and mortar clinic.So you could provide pills in your clinic but since the pills were bootlegged there was not the pesky paper trail of a legitimate Rx script.

I thought early on in the types of pill mill clinics Dr Hill operated that staff were writing legitimate script and all of those clinics were indeed shut down.

I envisioned the LLP clinic avoided all that and simply provided a screen to give legitimacy to the clinic. The actual opioids I always believed were brought in offshore through the various business contacts,politicians,lawyers,out of state business connections(i.e.) Florida.

I am aware through another thread of how many legitimate [FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]pharmaceuticals [/FONT]operate offshore in countries that leave them unregulated.The difficulty is not how to get drugs in the country but how to find the local distributors who have in place a legitimate avenue to laundry the cash.

I believe the LLP was simply laying groundwork for a much larger business that was coming sooner rather than never. If you are shovel ready to hit the pavement moving your inventory then your called a visionary never a predatory creature.These same businessmen that are involved in car and drug LLPs are gearing up for the medical marijuana multimillion dollar opportunities soon to come,

If CRsr ever wanted to simply sever ties with the Feudal Royality then that could be a liability to everyone one on up the chain of command.

I still return to the Feudal Royality who has the infrastructure and networking to be on the leading edge for the next big thing. All the players both local and out of state have too much at stake it's all about honor and secrecy or problem solving and of course collateral damage.

Please criticize and do what you will but be kind.:smile:

:cow:

The biggest problem, with the info we have to work with, is that the possibilities are nearly endless. The cause could be anything from a slap of a teenager to an international incident for all we know... I don't foresee more info being released any time soon. Why would more be released after all this time with nothing....

 

[rsd1200]

Wasn't the whole back of that barn left open? The side facing the woods.

It may have had sliding doors, I think I remember seeing it closed, after the deaths, but memory may be off.

 

[rsd1200]

Maybe I am simply not getting 'it'.

Anyhow here goes my theory on the LLP medical clinic that CRsr was listed as operating. I thought the business plan was to have a faux clinic licensed & perhaps a board certified PT or Sport Medicine MD on staff. This gave the illusion of an actual brick and mortar clinic.So you could provide pills in your clinic but since the pills were bootlegged there was not the pesky paper trail of a legitimate Rx script.

I thought early on in the types of pill mill clinics Dr Hill operated that staff were writing legitimate script and all of those clinics were indeed shut down.

I envisioned the LLP clinic avoided all that and simply provided a screen to give legitimacy to the clinic. The actual opioids I always believed were brought in offshore through the various business contacts,politicians,lawyers,out of state business connections(i.e.) Florida.

I am aware through another thread of how many legitimate [FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]pharmaceuticals [/FONT]operate offshore in countries that leave them unregulated.The difficulty is not how to get drugs in the country but how to find the local distributors who have in place a legitimate avenue to laundry the cash.

I believe the LLP was simply laying groundwork for a much larger business that was coming sooner rather than never. If you are shovel ready to hit the pavement moving your inventory then your called a visionary never a predatory creature.These same businessmen that are involved in car and drug LLPs are gearing up for the medical marijuana multimillion dollar opportunities soon to come,

If CRsr ever wanted to simply sever ties with the Feudal Royality then that could be a liability to everyone one on up the chain of command.

I still return to the Feudal Royality who has the infrastructure and networking to be on the leading edge for the next big thing. All the players both local and out of state have too much at stake it's all about honor and secrecy or problem solving and of course collateral damage.

Please criticize and do what you will but be kind.:smile:

:cow:

BBM
I am thinking this is what may have happened, no matter what was going on, above CR1 and the rest of the family. He had taken part in the laundering, or moved something for them, but then wanted out. They then became liabilities.

 

[MizStery]

Dudley as you have pointed out for years I might add where better to laundry money than a lake resort with kiddy attractions,kids camps,live entertainment and all the endless cash exchange opportunities.

The biggest problem, with the info we have to work with, is that the possibilities are nearly endless. The cause could be anything from a slap of a teenager to an international incident for all we know... I don't foresee more info being released any time soon. Why would more be released after all this time with nothing....

I task you to name the members of the '******' Chamber of Commerce. So now I ask where better than any where to laundry money than in a "****".

Agree, Dudly. That's where I'm seeing the tie in w/the BBL folks and the other stuff. Used car lots seem to be a "thing" for that, too. CR1 and the others may have known what was happening, and might have even become mules at one time, with those trips to Detroit to pick up vehicles (maybe even unknowingly, for awhile).

Your right rsd1200 the biggest problem is how to distribute and laundry your cash.But if you know the actual owners name on the LLP business and by playing the '7 degrees from **' you have nailed the mechanics of one of the ways CRsr probably operated under the LLP.

 

[Dudly]

Dudley as you have pointed out for years I might add where better to laundry money than a lake resort with kiddy attractions,kids camps,live entertainment and all the endless cash exchange opportunities.



I task you to name the members of the '******' Chamber of Commerce. So now I ask where better than any where to laundry money than in a "****".



Your right rsd1200 the biggest problem is how to distribute and laundry your cash.But if you know the actual owners name on the LLP business and by playing the '7 degrees from **' you have nailed the mechanics of one of the ways CRsr probably operated under the LLP.

Like paying to mow grass once a week when it only needs mowed twice a month. Painting things that weren't painted. Trimming trees that look like they did. Patching trails and roads. Clean up. All sorts of ways to show money spent for things that didn't happen. And on the other side, showing receipts on payments for rent of campsites not used....

 

[amauet1]

Maybe I am simply not getting 'it'.

Anyhow here goes my theory on the LLP medical clinic that CRsr was listed as operating. I thought the business plan was to have a faux clinic licensed & perhaps a board certified PT or Sport Medicine MD on staff. This gave the illusion of an actual brick and mortar clinic.So you could provide pills in your clinic but since the pills were bootlegged there was not the pesky paper trail of a legitimate Rx script.

I thought early on in the types of pill mill clinics Dr Hill operated that staff were writing legitimate script and all of those clinics were indeed shut down.

I envisioned the LLP clinic avoided all that and simply provided a screen to give legitimacy to the clinic. The actual opioids I always believed were brought in offshore through the various business contacts,politicians,lawyers,out of state business connections(i.e.) Florida.

I am aware through another thread of how many legitimate [FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]pharmaceuticals [/FONT]operate offshore in countries that leave them unregulated.The difficulty is not how to get drugs in the country but how to find the local distributors who have in place a legitimate avenue to laundry the cash.

I believe the LLP was simply laying groundwork for a much larger business that was coming sooner rather than never. If you are shovel ready to hit the pavement moving your inventory then your called a visionary never a predatory creature.These same businessmen that are involved in car and drug LLPs are gearing up for the medical marijuana multimillion dollar opportunities soon to come,

If CRsr ever wanted to simply sever ties with the Feudal Royality then that could be a liability to everyone one on up the chain of command.

I still return to the Feudal Royality who has the infrastructure and networking to be on the leading edge for the next big thing. All the players both local and out of state have too much at stake it's all about honor and secrecy or problem solving and of course collateral damage.

Please criticize and do what you will but be kind.:smile:

:cow:

I don't know if this helps any, but didn't RW's ex-wife in the PT/Sports Medicine business?

 

[amauet1]

Agree, Dudly. That's where I'm seeing the tie in w/the BBL folks and the other stuff. Used car lots seem to be a "thing" for that, too. CR1 and the others may have known what was happening, and might have even become mules at one time, with those trips to Detroit to pick up vehicles (maybe even unknowingly, for awhile).

And to Florida.

 

[rsd1200]

Like paying to mow grass once a week when it only needs mowed twice a month. Painting things that weren't painted. Trimming trees that look like they did. Patching trails and roads. Clean up. All sorts of ways to show money spent for things that didn't happen. And on the other side, showing receipts on payments for rent of campsites not used....

Exactly. In the video of GR's father, listen to the list of things that he's saying they did at BBL. I mean, how many houses could need building there, how much concrete poured, and backhoe work done? He says that GR made good money. Maybe I'm just naive about the amount of upkeep, but I've stayed in some state parks that seem to be similar to BBL and I've never seen that much upkeep needed. I could understand if they were doing mowing but no one's ever mentioned that. Again, maybe these places require lots more upkeep than I think, but to pay CR1, GR, TR, and KR, "good money" to work there, it just seems odd to me.

Here's the video of the poor man. Start about 2:40.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NCX8nLDnX8

 

[rsd1200]

And to Florida.

Good point. There is also a set of Rhodens in Fla. who are related to the ones in OH, and Ky. (iirc)

 

[rsd1200]

I don't know if this helps any, but didn't RW's ex-wife in the PT/Sports Medicine business?

idr, but I think they are still married.

 

[RichP]

Thanks,RichP you are absolutely correct.I often tend to over generalize.

I agree my sample of locals with ties to the Blue Cat Lodge is sparse.

But would you agree statistically of the 'locals' we have examined in the last two years that 'a larger population than not' have the BCL as a common denominator? I do not claim to have done the math but at least that is how it appears to me.

:cow:

Miz
I would agree that a significant percentage of the victims had done work for BBLat one time or another. This may have been because TR is head of maintenance there. There also seems to be some sort of tie in between DR, CRsr and RW through The Scioto River Trading Company.

I still feel as I stated in my very first post [which seems have been deleted] that this crime had something to do with the movement of "white drugs", either heroin or pills.

I also believe that there a few Boss Hog type of people in that general area of Ohio that control things. I believe they have political ties [through votes they control and money they donate] that go all the way to the top of Ohio government. The top of Ohio politicians fear mightily that if these people go down than the dirt that they'll spill will taint a lot of people in Columbus.

The above scenario is why the local LE as well as BCI are content to have this drag on forever with the occasional bust of low level people.

 

[amauet1]

idr, but I think they are still married.

Hmmm......I thought he was mixed up with Jonl** Whi** and they had a child together right after the murders?